Re: ticks ............harbor everything

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

I live in NJ, and have taken many ticks off myself over the years. That was

before knowing the diseases they can transmit. I have hiked for years.

I first became sick, after getting bit in Maine, then I picked up a tick

here in NJ, and then most recently one in land. The second tick,

(after being in remission) and knowing all I do now about testing.

I sent that tick out for testing and it came back positive for Lyme....it

was a Dog tick.( I thought dog ticks were usually safe and only sometimes

carried the Deadly Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever disease....guess that isn't

true...... The third tick, (a black legged tick, very small commonly known

as the deer tick) also came back positive for lyme disease.

Most recently I was talking to a Woman (out of the Health Department in

land........and she said they are finding ticks caring both RMSF and

LYME.......I thought RMSF was only found in the Dog tick and the Rocky

Mountain Tick..... So if you ask me............and I posted recently on

this, any tick can carry any bacteria.

Then there is the Lone Star tick............also transmitting bacteria....

Lets face it we are not safe from any tick, in any place in the world, and

at any time of the year.

To top it off..............not only can these ticks carry more than one type

of bacteria, each bacteria has many different strains.

No wonder, no one can find a cure!!!

Conniek nwnj

Sick of ticks

Just look at all the different places for Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and

check out the different strains................and Lyme Disease has hundred

of different strains.

Worldwide

Infection with Rickettsia rickettsii has also been documented in Argentina,

Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Mexico, and Panama. Some synonyms for Rocky

Mountain spotted fever in other countries include tick typhus, Tobia fever

(Columbia), São o fever and fiebre maculosa (Brazil), and fiebre

manchada (Mexico). Closely related organisms cause other types of spotted

fevers in other parts of the world

Table 1. Spotted fever group rickettsiae causing human disease around the

world

Organism Disease Geographic Location

Rickettsia rickettsii - Rocky Mountain spotted fever North, Central and

South America

Rickettsia conorii - Mediterranean spotted fever, boutonneuse fever, Israeli

spotted fever, Astrakhan fever Europe, Asia, Africa, Israel, Portugal,

Sicily, Russia

Rickettsia akari Rickettsialpox - Worldwide

Rickettsia sibirica (including " R. mongolotimonae " ) -Siberian tick typhus,

North Asian tick typhus Siberia, People's Republic of China, Mongolia,

France

Rickettsia australis- Queensland tick typhus Australia

Rickettsia honei - Flinders Island spotted fever Australia

Rickettsia africae- African tick-bite fever Africa, West Indies

Rickettsia japonica - Japanese or Oriental spotted fever Japan

" Rickettsia felis " - no common name United States, Mexico

Rickettsia slovaca- no common name Europe

[Guest guest]

yeah connieck

this is the thing. we have infinite viruses and bacteria tooling

around in our bodies from different sources.

like our human society writ large, there are many types we must

encompass and somehow manage.

scientists agree that cancer is our own cells de-differentiating and

returning to more primitive states.

so, while lyme and other tick bacteria are a problem, we have to have

a broad view of our own ecology.

i mentioned this to my housemate and pushed my view of strengthening

our own immune system and he

said, " well, even the immune system is a " war " scenario and wouldn't

it be best to incorporate the bacteria so it serves the body (soul?)? "

even the " immune complex " scenario can be looked at from a different

perspective.

are certain bateria " demonic " , or are they just temporarily out of

balance with our internal system?

there is an alternative to war, fear, and hatred. i am glad my

housemate reminded me of that.

--

sincerely

william meyer

[Guest guest]

No doubt, and I am glad you mentioned Rocky mountain spotted fever.

I just tested positive for it and I think the tests are pretty good.

There is plenty of proof that other Rickettsial (the bacteria that

causes RMSF) infections can become chronic (type 'Rickettsia','Jadin'

on google). It may not be common with RMSF, but then again most

people don't test. It is commonly chronic in other countries and

there are probably strains we don't know about. If you have co-

infections, you may want to consider if you have a chronic

Rickettsial infection. As strange as it may be, I apparently do. Now

I still need to find out if I have lyme too--LLMD next week!

Kell

> Hi Donna,

> I live in NJ, and have taken many ticks off myself over the years.

That was

> before knowing the diseases they can transmit. I have hiked for

years.

> I first became sick, after getting bit in Maine, then I picked up

a tick

> here in NJ, and then most recently one in land. The second

tick,

> (after being in remission) and knowing all I do now about testing.

> I sent that tick out for testing and it came back positive for

Lyme....it

> was a Dog tick.( I thought dog ticks were usually safe and only

sometimes

> carried the Deadly Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever disease....guess

that isn't

> true...... The third tick, (a black legged tick, very small

commonly known

> as the deer tick) also came back positive for lyme disease.

> Most recently I was talking to a Woman (out of the Health

Department in

> land........and she said they are finding ticks caring both

RMSF and

> LYME.......I thought RMSF was only found in the Dog tick and the

Rocky

> Mountain Tick..... So if you ask me............and I posted

recently on

> this, any tick can carry any bacteria.

> Then there is the Lone Star tick............also transmitting

bacteria....

> Lets face it we are not safe from any tick, in any place in the

world, and

> at any time of the year.

>

> To top it off..............not only can these ticks carry more than

one type

> of bacteria, each bacteria has many different strains.

> No wonder, no one can find a cure!!!

>

> Conniek nwnj

> Sick of ticks

>

> Just look at all the different places for Rocky Mountain Spotted

Fever, and

> check out the different strains................and Lyme Disease has

hundred

> of different strains.

>

> Worldwide

> Infection with Rickettsia rickettsii has also been documented in

Argentina,

> Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Mexico, and Panama. Some synonyms for

Rocky

> Mountain spotted fever in other countries include tick typhus,

Tobia fever

> (Columbia), São o fever and fiebre maculosa (Brazil), and fiebre

> manchada (Mexico). Closely related organisms cause other types of

spotted

> fevers in other parts of the world

>

>

> Table 1. Spotted fever group rickettsiae causing human disease

around the

> world

>

> Organism Disease Geographic Location

>

> Rickettsia rickettsii - Rocky Mountain spotted fever North, Central

and

> South America

> Rickettsia conorii - Mediterranean spotted fever, boutonneuse

fever, Israeli

> spotted fever, Astrakhan fever Europe, Asia, Africa, Israel,

Portugal,

> Sicily, Russia

> Rickettsia akari Rickettsialpox - Worldwide

> Rickettsia sibirica (including " R. mongolotimonae " ) -Siberian tick

typhus,

> North Asian tick typhus Siberia, People's Republic of China,

Mongolia,

> France

> Rickettsia australis- Queensland tick typhus Australia

> Rickettsia honei - Flinders Island spotted fever Australia

> Rickettsia africae- African tick-bite fever Africa, West Indies

> Rickettsia japonica - Japanese or Oriental spotted fever Japan

> " Rickettsia felis " - no common name United States, Mexico

> Rickettsia slovaca- no common name Europe

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/18/2002 1:01:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

conniek@... writes:

> ..... So if you ask me............and I posted recently on

> this, any tick can carry any bacteria.

>

I agree. The more reports i read, the more i see that all kinds of ticks are

now carrying all kinds of infectious agents. Ticks pick up whatever in

whatever they bite. With all the living things moving all around now,

seperate organsims are no longer just staying in their classic areas like

years ago.

Even the West Nile Virus that was showing up in the east....like the scare in

Central Park in NYC the last few years, is starting to show up in other

places now....obviously as birds migrate and relocate. I heard it is now

showing up in the Dallus Tx area...birds are dropping dead down there now.

And we have to start watching out for other biting insects. I just read a

report of Lyme showing up in mosquitoes in parts of Europe now. And you can

bet if their mosq. have it, we probably have mosq. carrying it now in this

country. Wonder how long it will take for that to be proven? I also wonder

about biting flies also....anyting that bites and sucks blood to me can pick

it up from biting the right thing, then spread it to the next critter it

bites.

Guess we just gotta avoid getting bit by anything! LOL>....i remember when

getting bit by a dog was the only thing people worried about.

DrSkip

[Guest guest]

This virus goes transspecies...matter of time when humans will be victims of

West Nile virus...oh dear...what a difficult world to live in.

Hugs and blessings to all,

Donna

[Guest guest]

I agree, Dr. Skip...and here in Dallas/Ft. Worth, we ARE having a

major problem. Our papers are filled each day with the concerns over

West Nile Virus, and cities surrounding the Metroplex are having a

really tough time spraying the suspected areas. So far the papers

report that humans have not yet been affected, but the virus is

definately epidemic and affecting animals...especially horses and

livestock.

Love ya,

Rose

> In a message dated 07/18/2002 1:01:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> conniek@e... writes:

>

>

> > ..... So if you ask me............and I posted recently on

> > this, any tick can carry any bacteria.

> >

>

> I agree. The more reports i read, the more i see that all kinds of

ticks are

> now carrying all kinds of infectious agents. Ticks pick up

whatever in

> whatever they bite. With all the living things moving all around

now,

> seperate organsims are no longer just staying in their classic

areas like

> years ago.

> Even the West Nile Virus that was showing up in the east....like

the scare in

> Central Park in NYC the last few years, is starting to show up in

other

> places now....obviously as birds migrate and relocate. I heard it

is now

> showing up in the Dallus Tx area...birds are dropping dead down

there now.

> And we have to start watching out for other biting insects. I

just read a

> report of Lyme showing up in mosquitoes in parts of Europe now.

And you can

> bet if their mosq. have it, we probably have mosq. carrying it now

in this

> country. Wonder how long it will take for that to be proven? I

also wonder

> about biting flies also....anyting that bites and sucks blood to me

can pick

> it up from biting the right thing, then spread it to the next

critter it

> bites.

> Guess we just gotta avoid getting bit by anything! LOL>....i

remember when

> getting bit by a dog was the only thing people worried about.

> DrSkip

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Skip writes:

<<<Guess we just gotta avoid getting bit by anything! LOL>....i remember

when getting bit by a dog was the only thing people worried about.>>>>>>>

I hear ya Dr. Skip................just the word " tick " gives me chills up my

spine..........now the word " bite " ..........scares me even more!!!!! Put

the two words together.............and and its complete hysteria!!!!

Conniek nwnj

[Guest guest]

You know ,

The immune system is tricky............I have been trying to rebuild my

immune system after the years of abx and lyme. Recently, I had to be put

on Methatrexate for something else..........this actually suppresses the

immune system. We are hoping by suppressing the immune system for awhile,

it will allow what ever is out of balance in my body........to return to its

normal state............

The body is such a complicated organism..........

Connie