Re: Hepatitis C Lab Results after being on LDN since March 2009

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Hi Chris.

Bob , here in Houston Thanks for the good news report. As you said

thinks look stable , yes it would have been nice to see the virus

down to a very low number or even gone but that may be to much to ask,

although I do have that in the back of my mind. Miracles do happen, as you know

some people clear it on their own, so it is possible, not likely but possible.

I even mentioned to my hepatologist a LDN treatment program with some ribavirin

to stop replication and skip the interferon, who knows it might clear it without

all the side effects.

So your back to daily, okay, and thinking about 4.5 I guess. I am still on 3

about 1 month and I do see it wakes me up still around 3 or 4 and somehow it is

effecting my total sleep/energy cycle. Its hard to explain because I have other

issues so again who knows, more time will tell.

I have taken a night off like you and did seem to sleep better the night off,

kinda like catching up on some shut-eye. Was that you rationale for doing it

like that?. Has Berkson had any opinion on every other day or even taking

breaks? How does one know 4.5mg is better, lab work or just how one feels?

I need to study your blood work some more to understand the white blood cell

count, the problem with ranges are their is to much of a wide window like

Absolute Natural Killer Cells NK range 70-760, that is to wide a range, we need

to know what is optimal! this is where Brekson comes in.

I am due for lab work but am tired of getting poked and prodded by amateur

phlebotomist, but need to go in, soon. I'll let you know, and the group.

Sincerely Bob K.

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been using 3 mg. LDN for my Hepatitis C since I saw Dr. Berkson at his

> clinic in New Mexico early last year. I've had great results with it

> reducing my HCV viral load, as well as stabilizing my liver enzymes.

>

> I'm posting here as my lab work also includes levels for my Sjogren's and

> RA, as well as my lymphocytes.

>

>

> I was a bit apprehensive as I didn't feel too well on the morning of my

> labwork - I had that " virusey " feeling and was also a bit stressed as they

> couldn't find the tests that they needed to run in the Quest Lab computer -

> so I sat for 45 minutes fuming. I had been feeling great except for that

> day (of course).

>

> My HCV viral load crept up a bit from 18,729 in September to 34,524 - not

> too bad considering how I felt that day. Last January, prior to going on

> LDN, it was 1,280,000 and had dropped to 49,400 in June after being on LDN

> for 3 months. So I'm staying pretty stable - better than skyrocketing back

> up but not going down as I had hoped. For awhile, I was taking the 3 mg.

> LDN every other night, but for the last month or so, I went back to every

> night dosing. I will discuss with my doctor about possibly increasing the

> LDN dosage.

>

> My ALT/AST were back to normal range though they weren't that high last

> time. In January last year, my ALT was 174, in May it dropped to 23, in

> Sept. it was 36 (range 6-40) and now is 34. My AST was 99 in January, 30 in

> May, 37 in Sept.(range 10-35) and 31 now.

>

> Albumin (range 3.6 - 5.1) 4.8 - was 4.9 - it was 5.2 last January

>

> Globulin (range 2.2 - 3.9) 2.9 from 3.0 - it was 3.7 last January

>

> Bilirubin total (range 0.2 - 1.2) 0.7 from 1.1

>

> Alkaline Phosphatase (range 33-130) 66 from 57

>

> Total Protein - (range 6.2 - 8.3) 7.7 from 7.9 - it was 8.9 last January

>

> Alpha Fetoprotein - 5.0 same as last time - was 6.1 which was high earlier

> last year.

>

> My ferritin dropped from 80 to 38 which might be pushing it a bit - I'd

> been religiously taking IP-6 along with a product called Chelaco (which my doc

> sells). Folks with Hep C (and other disorders) often have very high iron

> and ferritin numbers and keeping ferritin low (below 60 for women and 90

> for men) is crucial for liver health. My total iron is 136 (range 40-160)

> down from 165 and iron binding capacity is 373 from 352 (range 250-450)

>

> Sjogren's level - 3.3 from 3.5 - it was 4.5 in January, pre-LDN

>

> RA - 21 from 24 - it was 31 in January - pre-LDN

>

> Vitamin D (range 20-100) - 59 from 49 but had been 62

>

> Most of my other blood counts are the same - I need to talk to my doc

> before I try and interpret them - nothing really out of range but some of the

> ones that we were trying to change, via the methyl B vitamins are the same as

> they were in 2007. (MCV, MCH) red blood cell count, etc. I might talk to

> her about being tested for IF - Intrinsic Factor which can inhibit your body

> from absorbing B-12.

>

>

> My red blood cell counts have always been on the low end - which was

> another argument on my part whenever a doc would try and push HCV treatment on

> me - ( " how long before I'd be on Procrit? I'd ask them)

>

>

> Slight decrease in platelets (range 140-400) 163 from 172 (186 last

> January)

>

> Slight drop in red blood cell count (range 3.80-5.10) 3.84 from 3.95

> (4.21 last January but 3.78 prior to that)

>

> White blood cell count (range 3.8-10.8) 6.1 from 4.6 (6.0 from last Jan.)

>

> Neutrophils - (range 1500-7800) 4111 from 2585 (3750 last jan.)

>

> Eosinophils (range 15-500) 140 from 120 (102 last jan.)

>

> Basophils (range 0-200) 24 from 14 (12 last Jan)

>

>

> It's hard to tell if the LDN is really affecting my lymphocytes overall -

> some are better, some are worse.

>

> CD3 (Mature T cells) (range - 57-85) 80 from 77

>

> Absolute CD3+ Cells (range 840-3060) 1122 from 1008

>

> %CD4 (Helper Cells) (range 30-61) 58 from 52

>

> Absolute CD4+ cells (range 490-1740) 817 from 720

>

> %CD8 (Suppressor T Cells) (range 12-42) 19 from 24

>

> Absolute CD8+ cells (range 180-1170) 269 from 333

>

> Helper/Suppressor ratio (range 0.86-5.00) 3.05 from 2.17

>

> %CD16+CD56 (Natural Killer Cells) (range 4-25) 7 from 10

>

> Absolute NK Cells (CD16+CD56 Cells) (range 70-760) 99 from 128

>

> %CD19 (B cells) (range 6-29) 10 from 11

>

> Absolute CD19+ Cells) (range 110-660) 139 from 134

>

> Absolute Lymphocytes (range 850-3900) 1404 from 1308

>

> Absolute CD3+ cells (range 840-3060) 1122 from 1008

>

> Absolute CD4+ cells (range 490-1740) 817 from 720

>

> Absolute CD8+ cells (range 180-1170) 269 from 333

>

> Absolute NK Cells (CD16+CD56+ cells) (range 70-760) - 99 from 128

>

> Absolute CD19+ cells - (range 110-660) 139 from 134

>

>

> My doc also tests all of my adrenals (4 thyroid tests, progesterone,

> testosterone, cortisol, etc.) Immunoglobulins, HHV 1-6 viruses, along with

the

> standard CBC's, etc. All are pretty much the same as they were 2 years ago.

>

> Overall, I'm pretty happy with the results, especially as my viral load did

> not really increase as I had feared it might - and my LFT's have

> stabilized.

>

> In our Hepatitis support group, we maintain a Database with before LDN and

> after LDN lab work results in the hopes of attracting support for an

> eventual Hepatitis C (and other forms of Hepatitis) clinical trial. We also

> have many files of studies and info about how LDN actually helps the liver.

> The group was started when Joyce's daughter seroconverted her Hepatitis B

> virus with the use of LDN:

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> _Hepatitis_Children_and_CAM_Alternative

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(Hepatitis_Children_and_CAM_Alternatives/)

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> Nola _http://nolahepper.blogspot.com/_

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