Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Deb, Each one reacts differently, but here is my own experience. Every strong Herx reactions have been associated with diarrhea. It was moreover my first Lyme symptom, one year before all symptoms appear. Maybe you have a release of toxins in the body, that returns such diarrhea. The only scientific articles about biofilms I had look upon were dedicated to acetylcysteine, which is known to reduce the biofilm, and some macrolides as Biaxin, also attacking biofilms. If you type these keywords on pubmed, you will have those articles. As I said acetylcysteine seems to be effective for some bacteria. Also, I was given by my MD anti-worms drugs as flubendazole. I had very strong reactions. Since this drug is to stay only in the bowel, I have thought that it was to attack biofilms. The effect is fully unknown. Also, I saw that you use a rife machinee, what kind of machine it is, a Coil one ? Philippe > > I have been reading some of the posts here and there about biofilms, including this link to the article below. > > http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2009/09/cure-for-inflammatory-diseases.h\ tml > > Last Friday I added teasel and Cat's Claw to my killing protocol of CS, rife, and GSE. Since Sunday, I have been suffering from diarrhea. I don't know if this is a good thing. Does it mean intestinal biofilms may be sloughing off? Maybe this is my body's way of getting rid of toxins? I have also been exercising and taking 15 min steams (since I don't have access to a sauna). Maybe I am too toxic and this is my body's way of dealing with it? (My lyme symptoms definitely have affected my GI system, and I have become gluten intolerant as a result.) > > Does anyone have any experience specifically treating biofilms (a number of supplements claim to do this as well as the article's mention of apple pectin, apple cider vinegar, fermented foods, etc.) and would diarrhea be a symptom of success? > > deb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Also, just adding two things. After Herx reactions, I also noticed that my urine smelt very differently. I speak to that to my MD, he said it was drugs concentration, but I'm not sure, since it arrives just after herxing. Also, I speak to that to a professional Lyme doctor, and he was not surprised. I also remember something. On a forum, in France, one spoke about a test in a US hospital to detect herx reactions just after antibiotics (something on the skin, I remember). Is anyone aware of that? I asked for detecting herx reactions in a French hospital, since I was very bad under antibiotics, I was just said that it could be detected by looking at particular cytokines, but it is routinely done. I once read something about syphillis herx reactions that affects white cells counts (oesinophil), but I was said it was different from Lyme reactions, and not two people had the same flutuations in white counts during an herx. Philippe > > I have been reading some of the posts here and there about biofilms, including this link to the article below. > > http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2009/09/cure-for-inflammatory-diseases.h\ tml > > Last Friday I added teasel and Cat's Claw to my killing protocol of CS, rife, and GSE. Since Sunday, I have been suffering from diarrhea. I don't know if this is a good thing. Does it mean intestinal biofilms may be sloughing off? Maybe this is my body's way of getting rid of toxins? I have also been exercising and taking 15 min steams (since I don't have access to a sauna). Maybe I am too toxic and this is my body's way of dealing with it? (My lyme symptoms definitely have affected my GI system, and I have become gluten intolerant as a result.) > > Does anyone have any experience specifically treating biofilms (a number of supplements claim to do this as well as the article's mention of apple pectin, apple cider vinegar, fermented foods, etc.) and would diarrhea be a symptom of success? > > deb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 > > Does anyone have any experience specifically treating biofilms (a number of supplements claim to do this as well as the article's mention of apple pectin, apple cider vinegar, fermented foods, etc.) and would diarrhea be a symptom of success? it is an interesting article and I think there is a lot of thruth in is, but it is difficult to say to what extent these things work. Probably the effect is dependent on your 'microbiome', the current ecological situation in your gut (and maybe elsewhere in the body). I agree that many of these 'simple' cures probably work through modifying the biofilms in the gut. Not so sure though about the suggestion that Lyme is chronic because there is a Bb biofilml reservoir in the gut. I think the major Bb reservoir is in connective tissue and sometimes the nervous system, NOT in the gut. I'm surprised he did not mention garlic/Allicin, because this is a famous 'cure-all' for bacterial infections. It probably works by interrupting bacterial quorum sensing, the bacterial language that is important in the formation and maintenance of biofilm. It is likely that we will discover other plant products in the next years that have similar effects. Plants are nature's chemical factories, they are far more effective in producing all kinds of 'chemical warfare' products than animals because they cannot run from danger (and they have far more genes). regarding the diarrhea, I think it is quite common if you try new herbs and start with too high dose; normally it should disappear in a few days when your gut adapts. I doubt if the biofilms 'disappear' in this form. From what I have read about colon cleansing etc. the layers that can build up over the years in the colon are thick and cohesive, and not easily dissolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I take serrapeptase for biofilms. ---purpleffoxglove From: Deb57 <ds@...> Subject: [ ] biofilm Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 10:19 AM Â I have been reading some of the posts here and there about biofilms, including this link to the article below. http://coolinginfla mmation.blogspot .com/2009/ 09/cure-for- inflammatory- diseases. html Last Friday I added teasel and Cat's Claw to my killing protocol of CS, rife, and GSE. Since Sunday, I have been suffering from diarrhea. I don't know if this is a good thing. Does it mean intestinal biofilms may be sloughing off? Maybe this is my body's way of getting rid of toxins? I have also been exercising and taking 15 min steams (since I don't have access to a sauna). Maybe I am too toxic and this is my body's way of dealing with it? (My lyme symptoms definitely have affected my GI system, and I have become gluten intolerant as a result.) Does anyone have any experience specifically treating biofilms (a number of supplements claim to do this as well as the article's mention of apple pectin, apple cider vinegar, fermented foods, etc.) and would diarrhea be a symptom of success? deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I used a DP100 from Meissner Research. It is based on Doug McLean's original Doug coil but is more automated and uses metal panels which you sit between so your entire body is exposed to the frequencies. deb > > > > I have been reading some of the posts here and there about biofilms, including this link to the article below. > > > > http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2009/09/cure-for-inflammatory-diseases.h\ tml > > > > Last Friday I added teasel and Cat's Claw to my killing protocol of CS, rife, and GSE. Since Sunday, I have been suffering from diarrhea. I don't know if this is a good thing. Does it mean intestinal biofilms may be sloughing off? Maybe this is my body's way of getting rid of toxins? I have also been exercising and taking 15 min steams (since I don't have access to a sauna). Maybe I am too toxic and this is my body's way of dealing with it? (My lyme symptoms definitely have affected my GI system, and I have become gluten intolerant as a result.) > > > > Does anyone have any experience specifically treating biofilms (a number of supplements claim to do this as well as the article's mention of apple pectin, apple cider vinegar, fermented foods, etc.) and would diarrhea be a symptom of success? > > > > deb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Interesting comment about the urine. I noticed this yesterday as well. Thought it might be a UTI coming on but it was gone by evening. > > > > I have been reading some of the posts here and there about biofilms, including this link to the article below. > > > > http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2009/09/cure-for-inflammatory-diseases.h\ tml > > > > Last Friday I added teasel and Cat's Claw to my killing protocol of CS, rife, and GSE. Since Sunday, I have been suffering from diarrhea. I don't know if this is a good thing. Does it mean intestinal biofilms may be sloughing off? Maybe this is my body's way of getting rid of toxins? I have also been exercising and taking 15 min steams (since I don't have access to a sauna). Maybe I am too toxic and this is my body's way of dealing with it? (My lyme symptoms definitely have affected my GI system, and I have become gluten intolerant as a result.) > > > > Does anyone have any experience specifically treating biofilms (a number of supplements claim to do this as well as the article's mention of apple pectin, apple cider vinegar, fermented foods, etc.) and would diarrhea be a symptom of success? > > > > deb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 For biofilms, I take serrapeptase, 40,000 units, (one pill), once or twice a day on empty stomach with my empty stomach meds. I've been taking it for several years. I'm not very sick at all. All the things together that i take have mostly all helped me get mostly well. As for blood thinning, i don't have to worry about that. I also take concurrently high dose nattokinase. I never worry about overdosing on bloodthinnners; my symptoms run in the opposite direction. ----purpleffoxglove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Does Buhner address the issue of biofilms, or is the awareness of this problem more recent than his book? My doc had me start a product called Interfase, which apparently works by breaking down the biofilm so the antimicrobials one is taking can get at the bad bugs. It seems to have knocked me on my butt!! Or else, I'm just having a down time. I'll continue, assuming it is doing what its supposed to do but began to wonder if anyone had any experience with it. jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 jo, i'm having the same problem. the moment I started on vitalzyme (protese and serraptose?) i have had the worst sugar cravings and felt like crawling out of my skin. Today my back is in muscle spasms and I have client appointments.$$ & (* I even skipped a couple of days of CC and wormwood, but used them the last 3 days.... Any ideas? _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of judyjo27 Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:20 AM Subject: [ ] Biofilm Does Buhner address the issue of biofilms, or is the awareness of this problem more recent than his book? My doc had me start a product called Interfase, which apparently works by breaking down the biofilm so the antimicrobials one is taking can get at the bad bugs. It seems to have knocked me on my butt!! Or else, I'm just having a down time. I'll continue, assuming it is doing what its supposed to do but began to wonder if anyone had any experience with it. jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 > > > Does Buhner address the issue of biofilms, or is the awareness of this problem more recent than his book? It is not really addressed in the book but it certainly is part of the Lyme problem (in addition to the other 'stealth technologies' like cyst/CSD forms, immune evasion/downregulation etc.). Biofilm has been recognized as a factor in chronic infections for the last 10-20 years, but awareness and knowledge is increasing lately. There is very little research on Borrelia biofilms, most of it from Alan Mac which is not directly related to Lyme. The usual 'biofilm busters' (nattokinase/lumbrokinase/serrapeptase, bentonite clay etc.) will NOT get into the bloodstream, so I have my doubts about their use. Most of them could help with biofilms in the gut, but that is not where most of the Borrelia hide. It could help with other biofilms and thus lower the load on the immune system. Garlic is a biofilm buster due to its blocking of quorum sensing, and it does get into the bloodstream. Theoretically flagyl etc. could also help against Bb biofilms, because it activates the Bb prophage; with many bacteria such prophages disturb the biofilm. I don't think there is any agent that has a proven effect on lyme biofilm, it is all experimental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 This may be off topic, but I had read somewhere that rifing may disrupt biofilms. http://lymebook.com/blog/research-news/biofilms-and-lyme-disease. deb > > > > > > Does Buhner address the issue of biofilms, or is the awareness of this problem more recent than his book? > > It is not really addressed in the book but it certainly is part of the Lyme problem (in addition to the other 'stealth technologies' like cyst/CSD forms, immune evasion/downregulation etc.). > > Biofilm has been recognized as a factor in chronic infections for the last 10-20 years, but awareness and knowledge is increasing lately. There is very little research on Borrelia biofilms, most of it from Alan Mac which is not directly related to Lyme. > > The usual 'biofilm busters' (nattokinase/lumbrokinase/serrapeptase, bentonite clay etc.) will NOT get into the bloodstream, so I have my doubts about their use. Most of them could help with biofilms in the gut, but that is not where most of the Borrelia hide. It could help with other biofilms and thus lower the load on the immune system. > > Garlic is a biofilm buster due to its blocking of quorum sensing, and it does get into the bloodstream. Theoretically flagyl etc. could also help against Bb biofilms, because it activates the Bb prophage; with many bacteria such prophages disturb the biofilm. I don't think there is any agent that has a proven effect on lyme biofilm, it is all experimental. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Hi Jo, From my own experience, interfase can knock you on your butt.... I started with interfase plus, but i couldn't handle it. The key is to work up slowly. How many caps did your doc put you on? Make sure you keep your pathways open with drainage and detox therapies. Binders are also really helpful because it will help mop up the toxins that are getting released. You may want to take a break if it gets too intense. Pulsing may work until you can build up to daily use. Hope you feel better soon. Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Allergy Research On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:07 53AM, darabeth2003 wrote: > Thanks Sara. What brand do you use? > Dara > > >> >>> I am wondering what experiences people have had with different things to break down biofilm. I have been taking bromelain, and now have switched docs who recommends a chelating agent and an enzyme- his first choices for me are chlorella and boluke. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Lyme Disease News continually updated from thousands of sources around the >>> net: http://www.topix.net/health/lyme-disease >>> >>> MedWorm: The latest items on: Lyme Disease >>> http://tinyurl.com/23dgy8 >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I'm also doing Boluoke and bromaline darabeth2003 <dara.alewine@...> wrote: >Thanks Sara. What brand do you use? >Dara > > >> >> > I am wondering what experiences people have had with different things to break down biofilm. I have been taking bromelain, and now have switched docs who recommends a chelating agent and an enzyme- his first choices for me are chlorella and boluke. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Lyme Disease News continually updated from thousands of sources around the >> > net: http://www.topix.net/health/lyme-disease >> > >> > MedWorm: The latest items on: Lyme Disease >> > http://tinyurl.com/23dgy8 >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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