Re: herbs & herx

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> From what I understand the spirochetes are only vulnerable when they are

dividing--at least to antibiotics.

yes, because ABX target machinery in de bug that is most active during growth /

replication. That is also the reason cysts / l-forms are less vulnerable to ABX

(little activity / no cell wall etc.).

the tricky part is that we don't know what the 'growth phase' is. Why do many

lymies have a 4-5 week cycle, while Bb has a 10-20 hour reproduction time? One

would expect them to be replicating all the time unless they are fully

synchronized throughout the body (possible because of quorum sensing, but I

doubt it).

Would be good to know what this 4-5 week 'cycle' is about, my guess it is the

average time they need to produce new surface antigens similar to the 1-2 week

cycle in relapse fever spirochetes. Having new antigens will start a new immune

respons with clear effects for the patient.

The idea of ABX is that you will kill some % with every growth cycle, so you

need say 100 cycles to kill 99% (and the immune system has the kill the last

remaning few). With Bb this takes much longer than with normal bacteria, because

of the long growth cycle (normal bacterial cycle is in the order of 10 minutes).

> Not sure if that's the case with Buhner herb protocol, but suppose so because

of the high doses and length of time he recommends taking them. I plan to start

naturopathic treatment including herbs after antibiotics (6 months of orals so

far, in spring going IV).

I don't think this applies to herbs because they don't specifically target the

growth/replication machinery. I think the action of herbs might depend more on

cycles of the human body, because a lot of its action is indirectly through our

immune system.

Because the herbs don't 'kill', I would guess you need to use them at least as

long as a few lifespans of BB, which could be on the order of a month or so

(cysts have a lifespan of over a year ...).