bee venon

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Looking at the addendum to Buhner's book, bee venon sounds potentially curative.

I am curious if any one has tried this following the recommendations.

town University is now in a phase 1 trial for MS. Any information on

practitioners would be appreciated.

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" I am curious if any one has tried this following the recommendations.

town University is now in a phase 1 trial for MS. "

I know people that have used bee sting therapy for MS. My friends mom is one

that had been using it faithfully for years. She had the same experience as

others on this forum where she initially had a good response to it but the

positive effects slowly faded. That is why she no longer uses it. My friend's

mom was and still is in a wheelchair so if you are looking for the silver bullet

for MS or Lyme disease for that matter bee venom is probably not going to be the

one for you. If you are looking for some short term relief it sounds like a good

treatment.

I don't know if you have read any of my other posts. I may be getting off topic

here... as usual... I was dxd with MS in 2004 and started doing my own research

on the subject including bee venom. Minocycline has been shown to have good

results for MS. Clinical trials of minocycline for MS have resulted in an 85%

reduction of lesions in MS patients over a 2 year period (Dr Luane Metz,

Calgary, AB).

My research brought me to the conclusion that MS=chronic lyme. I was recently

tested by Igenex a year after starting the Buhner herbs (and a month after

minocycline 100mg tid). I got the western blot done. The results were IgG

positive to 5 bands. That means I was positive by CDC criteria even. For IgM

results I was positive on 1 band and [ind] on another. I have been corresponding

with another lady I met on an MS forum. I persuaded her to look into the lyme

disease connection. She just got her western blot results and is also positive

for Lyme disease.

Two random people with MS get tested for Lyme disease and both have positive

results... although this is a small group lol (2 people) I have to wonder what

are the chances of both having a positive result??

Just more proof if you ask me.

Take Care,

Chris

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> I know people that have used bee sting therapy for MS.

in my country bee sting therapy is allowed as an experimental medical treatment

by the authorities, for MS and some similar 'auto-immune' diseases (chronic lyme

is not one of them of course, because they think it does not exist). There seems

to be a small group who continue to see much benefit from this, but maybe those

patients are not representative.

However, it seems that this therapy is going to be banned real soon because it

is outside the official medical circuit, and medical authorities are trying to

ban everything that they can't make money on. And of course there are less and

less beekeepers as a result of the widespread bee disease (that has a lot of

features in common with human lyme disease).

> Two random people with MS get tested for Lyme disease and both have positive

results... although this is a small group lol (2 people) I have to wonder what

are the chances of both having a positive result??

> Just more proof if you ask me.

There are some studies that found that 30-40% of MS patients have Borrelia

infection. Maybe the percentage is more if you use good tests Also the

geographical and seasonal distribution of MS matches Lyme and ticks. I'm sure

that many MS cases are misdiagnosed Lyme, but most MS patients and their docs

don't want to hear about this, so they are never tested.

Maybe other MS variations exist that are NOT caused by Bb, but by other

infections or maybe even other causes. Someone suggested it is caused by a

Borrelia strain that is not in the Bb sl complex. It seems to me that MS is

often a bit different from Lyme, so I would not be surprised if normally it is

caused by another (related) bug.

There also is a paper that suggests MS can be inherited at birth as a result of

exposure of the mother or father to Borrelia; this causes specific genetic

damage to genes related to the CNS. The damage could be the result of activation

of the cp32 prophage (Bb plasmid), where the resulting virus messes with human

DNA. My guess is that such damage also happens in normal Lyme patients, but as

long as the DNA damage is not in the germ line it is not hereditary. It could

cause all kinds of problems though.

And then we have all those other diseases on the rise, where there is more or

less (sometimes?) an association with Bb, like Alzheimer, autism, ALS,

arthritis, many skin diseases, etc.