Guest guest Posted May 7, 2000 Report Share Posted May 7, 2000 Thanks a lot mike maybe I start with a higher dose & see what happens. Steve mcamp10139@... wrote: > Hey Steve, here's a new drug for you to try, arsenic. Seriously, would low > dose arsenic possibly kill mycoplasma, rickettsia. etc.? > > >>>>An arsenical drug, thiacetarsamide sodium, was administered to four > horses with a diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), already > treated unsuccessfully with different medications. The CFS-like lethargy, > with accompanying symptoms and signs, of the four animals obtained a > complete remission after intravenous treatment with this drug at low > dosage (0.1 mg/Kg/day).>>>>>>>>> > > Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > 1/3012/4/_/531724/_/957747263/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2000 Report Share Posted May 7, 2000 > Studying it is one thing but have you ever taken it? LOL Steve > > M. Louis....a student of homeopathy for 15 years > > Arsenic > > > Hey Steve, here's a new drug for you to try, arsenic. Seriously, would > low > > dose arsenic possibly kill mycoplasma, rickettsia. etc.? > > > > >>>>An arsenical drug, thiacetarsamide sodium, was administered to four > > horses with a diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), already > > treated unsuccessfully with different medications. The CFS-like lethargy, > > with accompanying symptoms and signs, of the four animals obtained a > > complete remission after intravenous treatment with this drug at low > > dosage (0.1 mg/Kg/day).>>>>>>>>> > > > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > > 1/3012/4/_/531724/_/957747263/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > 1/2567/4/_/531724/_/957749834/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2000 Report Share Posted May 7, 2000 This is a dose so small it would be considered a homeopathic dose. One of the most effective homeopathic medications for CFS has been Arsenicum. A lot of CFS people have the symptom picture of Arsenic...i.e. as if they had been poisoned by Arsenic. When Arsenic has been given in 200c or 1M ... one dose per month...it has helped some people with CFS. However...in order to help....your symptoms must match. M. Louis....a student of homeopathy for 15 years Arsenic > Hey Steve, here's a new drug for you to try, arsenic. Seriously, would low > dose arsenic possibly kill mycoplasma, rickettsia. etc.? > > >>>>An arsenical drug, thiacetarsamide sodium, was administered to four > horses with a diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), already > treated unsuccessfully with different medications. The CFS-like lethargy, > with accompanying symptoms and signs, of the four animals obtained a > complete remission after intravenous treatment with this drug at low > dosage (0.1 mg/Kg/day).>>>>>>>>> > > Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > 1/3012/4/_/531724/_/957747263/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2000 Report Share Posted May 7, 2000 I have taken Arsenicum 200c and 1M about five times each. I have also taken about 20 different homeopathic medications in potencies ranging from 6c to 50M during the past 15 years. I have been treated by 8 homeopathic doctors and I currently treat myself. Homeopathy has helped but not cured my condition. M. Louis Arsenic > > > > > Hey Steve, here's a new drug for you to try, arsenic. Seriously, would > > low > > > dose arsenic possibly kill mycoplasma, rickettsia. etc.? > > > > > > >>>>An arsenical drug, thiacetarsamide sodium, was administered to four > > > horses with a diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), already > > > treated unsuccessfully with different medications. The CFS-like lethargy, > > > with accompanying symptoms and signs, of the four animals obtained a > > > complete remission after intravenous treatment with this drug at low > > > dosage (0.1 mg/Kg/day).>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > > > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > > > 1/3012/4/_/531724/_/957747263/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > > 1/2567/4/_/531724/_/957749834/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > 1/3012/4/_/531724/_/957750360/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2000 Report Share Posted May 8, 2000 How did the Arsenicum help? steve " M. Louis Hanson " wrote: > I have taken Arsenicum 200c and 1M about five times each. > I have also taken about 20 different homeopathic medications > in potencies ranging from 6c to 50M during the past 15 years. > I have been treated by 8 homeopathic doctors and I currently > treat myself. Homeopathy has helped but not cured my condition. > > M. Louis > > Arsenic > > > > > > > Hey Steve, here's a new drug for you to try, arsenic. Seriously, > would > > > low > > > > dose arsenic possibly kill mycoplasma, rickettsia. etc.? > > > > > > > > >>>>An arsenical drug, thiacetarsamide sodium, was administered to > four > > > > horses with a diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), already > > > > treated unsuccessfully with different medications. The CFS-like > lethargy, > > > > with accompanying symptoms and signs, of the four animals obtained a > > > > complete remission after intravenous treatment with this drug at low > > > > dosage (0.1 mg/Kg/day).>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > > > > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > > > > 1/3012/4/_/531724/_/957747263/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with > each > > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any > treatment > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > > > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long > Distance > > > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > > > 1/2567/4/_/531724/_/957749834/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with > each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any > treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > > 1/3012/4/_/531724/_/957750360/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com: > 1/3555/4/_/531724/_/957750742/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2000 Report Share Posted May 9, 2000 " M. Louis Hanson " wrote: > A lot of CFS people have the > symptom picture of Arsenic...i.e. > as if they had been poisoned by Arsenic. When Arsenic > has been given in 200c or 1M ... one dose per month...it > has helped some people with CFS. However...in order > to help....your symptoms must match. Dear M. Louis - Would you please list the " symptom picture " for arsenic poisoning that you refer to? adTHANKSvance, -- el - andrea@... (IFF " FNORD " appears - remove it from my email address to reply) " ...wake now! Discover that you are the song that the morning brings... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 any tap water that contains flouride also contains arsenic. Even if you are drinking bottled water, if you bathe in tap water arsenic is absorbed through the skin. Andy re:arsenic arsenic is in pressure treated wood (the kind people use for fencing, backyard play equiptment, decks, etc.) also arsenic is found in infant beds in the mattresses.... as well as in any of those fabrics treated to not burn so well (nighties etc.) along with antimony-both are toxic. minna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 arsenic is in pressure treated wood (the kind people use for fencing, backyard play equiptment, decks, etc.) also arsenic is found in infant beds in the mattresses.... as well as in any of those fabrics treated to not burn so well (nighties etc.) along with antimony-both are toxic. minna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 Andy! Who the HELL do you think you are? Do you think you have an answer to every question? I read your coment on my desisions with my dauther, and frankly, I think that you`re very narrow minded... Please stop giving advice to people so quickly, without looking an inch before youself... (re: Maggies Mom/periods) Lo >From: " Andy " <andysplace@...> >Reply-Autism_in_Girls ><Autism_in_Girls > >Subject: Re: re:arsenic >Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:39:19 -0500 > >any tap water that contains flouride also contains arsenic. >Even if you are drinking bottled water, if you bathe in tap water arsenic >is absorbed through the skin. > >Andy > re:arsenic > > > arsenic is in pressure treated wood (the kind people use for fencing, >backyard play equiptment, decks, etc.) > > also arsenic is found in infant beds in the mattresses.... > as well as in any of those fabrics treated to not burn so well (nighties >etc.) along with antimony-both are toxic. > > minna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 There is nothing wrong with small amounts of Flouride, take it from a dental nurse, who sees the damage done to kids teeth when it is not used, and have to endure hours of fillings, and possible General anaesthtics...........everything in moderation. cheryl Re: re:arsenic >Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:39:19 -0500 > >any tap water that contains flouride also contains arsenic. >Even if you are drinking bottled water, if you bathe in tap water arsenic >is absorbed through the skin. > >Andy > re:arsenic > > > arsenic is in pressure treated wood (the kind people use for fencing, >backyard play equiptment, decks, etc.) > > also arsenic is found in infant beds in the mattresses.... > as well as in any of those fabrics treated to not burn so well (nighties >etc.) along with antimony-both are toxic. > > minna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hmmmm... this is interesting. I think that I have posted a total of 3 messages on this list since I signed up, and I don't remember giving you any " advice " at all. As for the arsenic, I was just adding another comment to an already started thread about arsenic..... excuse me if you are offended by a simple comment. I hesitated to join this list and now I know why. Don't worry, I certainly won't bother you anymore. As for the question of " who the hell do I think I am? " .... just a mom who was trying to connect with other parents of children with autism. I have enough stress, don't need this kind. Andy :0) re:arsenic > > > arsenic is in pressure treated wood (the kind people use for fencing, >backyard play equiptment, decks, etc.) > > also arsenic is found in infant beds in the mattresses.... > as well as in any of those fabrics treated to not burn so well (nighties >etc.) along with antimony-both are toxic. > > minna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Cheryl, I was not saying anything negative about flouride. I was just pointing out the fact that flouridated water has some amount of arsenic in it. I was not giving an opinion either way. Andy :0) re:arsenic > > > > > > arsenic is in pressure treated wood (the kind people use for fencing, > >backyard play equiptment, decks, etc.) > > > > also arsenic is found in infant beds in the mattresses.... > > as well as in any of those fabrics treated to not burn so well (nighties > >etc.) along with antimony-both are toxic. > > > > minna > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 that is ok, i just didn;t want the negative coming out, everyone has to make up their own mind. Re: re:arsenic Cheryl, I was not saying anything negative about flouride. I was just pointing out the fact that flouridated water has some amount of arsenic in it. I was not giving an opinion either way. Andy :0) re:arsenic > > > > > > arsenic is in pressure treated wood (the kind people use for fencing, > >backyard play equiptment, decks, etc.) > > > > also arsenic is found in infant beds in the mattresses.... > > as well as in any of those fabrics treated to not burn so well (nighties > >etc.) along with antimony-both are toxic. > > > > minna > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 I guess we can all learn from this list, and realise that emails can give different asumptions to different people. what we think is ok, may not be for others.......it's a pity, but everyone must relise that each of our kids are different, and they all stress us out in different ways, and i guess there are those, who say exactly how they feel.......lets try not to jump down each others throats. Re: re:arsenic Hmmmm... this is interesting. I think that I have posted a total of 3 messages on this list since I signed up, and I don't remember giving you any " advice " at all. As for the arsenic, I was just adding another comment to an already started thread about arsenic..... excuse me if you are offended by a simple comment. I hesitated to join this list and now I know why. Don't worry, I certainly won't bother you anymore. As for the question of " who the hell do I think I am? " .... just a mom who was trying to connect with other parents of children with autism. I have enough stress, don't need this kind. Andy :0) re:arsenic > > > arsenic is in pressure treated wood (the kind people use for fencing, >backyard play equiptment, decks, etc.) > > also arsenic is found in infant beds in the mattresses.... > as well as in any of those fabrics treated to not burn so well (nighties >etc.) along with antimony-both are toxic. > > minna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 In a message dated 11/19/02 3:40:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, d.molyneaux@... writes: > The Doc who gave the talk (wishes to remain anonymous) is going to use > Arsenic to treat himself. I know this is a bit of a jumble but I would > really like your opinions on it. > > Rich there is a lot of talk about sulphation on parts of this site. Are you > familiar with any of this work? > http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/hooper2000.htm > > Regards > Dave x Dave are you going to try the arsenic? Yes, I believe it's because of pathogens in the gut as well. I also know of someone who got cured by taking some kind of iodine or something (from Dr. Hulda s literature). Turns out it killed pathogens in the gut. After that she didn't have anymore lactose intolerance at all. I think a lot boils down to the gut with us, I really do. Our gut environment is bad and we can't kill the pathogens with regular antibiotics, we need something stronger. Let us know more if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 Hi I too have had the IAG test, I came back positive but only trace amounts, so I assume I don't have to change anything in my diet :-)) The arsenic treatment is as per a protocol from Dr Walter Tarello from Italy, who has used it to treat himself and his wife successfully. Walter believes that CFS/ME can be caused by several bacterial infections which end up overwhelming us and thus we end up with the symptoms we have. Actually, they symptoms are more indicative of the toxins that these various bacterial infections excrete into our bodies. The specialist I am seeing at the moment (I'm in the UK also) is of the opinion that CFS/ME is caused by one or more low grade chronic bacterial sepsis, so low grade that normal culturing (Gram stains) come up negative. I am hoping to get some different culturing done soonish, and then I may be able to work out a treatment protocol. I have been soooo close once thru a 3 week course of abx for an unrelated problem, so if I can match up what I need to what problems I have, who knows? MadDaVe > Hello Rich & group. > > I recently attended a talk by a local doctor who has cfs. He has been conferring with a Veterinary surgeon who also had cfs but cured himself. > The talk covered all the latest treatments that he was aware of but he said he was going to concentrate on one. > He went on to refer to the 'Sunderland Protocol' which has been talked about on this site previously. The university has been studying Autism for 10 years and has developed a urine test. > This is a test for Indolyl agrilolyl Glycine (IaG) in the urine which is a toxic metabolite of Tryptophan. subsequent removal of milk and gluten from the diet helps to prevent the production of IaG. > > Of 100 cfs patients tested 99 were positive for IaG (including myself). > > The IaG may also be a product of micro-organisms in the gut and this is where the Vet comes into the story. He killed of the bugs by using a form of Arsenic. Apparently this is common practise in animal medicine and is actually less toxic than Selenium. > > The Doc who gave the talk (wishes to remain anonymous) is going to use Arsenic to treat himself. I know this is a bit of a jumble but I would really like your opinions on it. > > Rich there is a lot of talk about sulphation on parts of this site. Are you familiar with any of this work? > http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/hooper2000.htm > > Regards > Dave x > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 Hello Dave can I ask if you have milk and wheat in your diet? My test showed I had IAG but the peak was not as high as the adjacent peaks. Because I have not been able to find out what the adjacent peaks are I have assumed that the IaG was lower because my diet was 100% milk free and 90% gluten free. I have also assumed that if I started eating wheat and milk again the peak would rise. Obviously I am not going to do this because I don't want to damage my gut any more. In fact I have now removed gluten from my diet 100%. (to the best of my knowledge that is). Regards Dave x Re: Arsenic Hi I too have had the IAG test, I came back positive but only trace amounts, so I assume I don't have to change anything in my diet :-)) The arsenic treatment is as per a protocol from Dr Walter Tarello from Italy, who has used it to treat himself and his wife successfully. Walter believes that CFS/ME can be caused by several bacterial infections which end up overwhelming us and thus we end up with the symptoms we have. Actually, they symptoms are more indicative of the toxins that these various bacterial infections excrete into our bodies. The specialist I am seeing at the moment (I'm in the UK also) is of the opinion that CFS/ME is caused by one or more low grade chronic bacterial sepsis, so low grade that normal culturing (Gram stains) come up negative. I am hoping to get some different culturing done soonish, and then I may be able to work out a treatment protocol. I have been soooo close once thru a 3 week course of abx for an unrelated problem, so if I can match up what I need to what problems I have, who knows? MadDaVe > Hello Rich & group. > > I recently attended a talk by a local doctor who has cfs. He has been conferring with a Veterinary surgeon who also had cfs but cured himself. > The talk covered all the latest treatments that he was aware of but he said he was going to concentrate on one. > He went on to refer to the 'Sunderland Protocol' which has been talked about on this site previously. The university has been studying Autism for 10 years and has developed a urine test. > This is a test for Indolyl agrilolyl Glycine (IaG) in the urine which is a toxic metabolite of Tryptophan. subsequent removal of milk and gluten from the diet helps to prevent the production of IaG. > > Of 100 cfs patients tested 99 were positive for IaG (including myself). > > The IaG may also be a product of micro-organisms in the gut and this is where the Vet comes into the story. He killed of the bugs by using a form of Arsenic. Apparently this is common practise in animal medicine and is actually less toxic than Selenium. > > The Doc who gave the talk (wishes to remain anonymous) is going to use Arsenic to treat himself. I know this is a bit of a jumble but I would really like your opinions on it. > > Rich there is a lot of talk about sulphation on parts of this site. Are you familiar with any of this work? > http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/hooper2000.htm > > Regards > Dave x > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 Not at present , I think I will wait and see what happens to my Doc. If you go onto the website you will find some really interesting articles on the Gut. Regards Dave Re: Arsenic In a message dated 11/19/02 3:40:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, d.molyneaux@... writes: > The Doc who gave the talk (wishes to remain anonymous) is going to use > Arsenic to treat himself. I know this is a bit of a jumble but I would > really like your opinions on it. > > Rich there is a lot of talk about sulphation on parts of this site. Are you > familiar with any of this work? > http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/hooper2000.htm > > Regards > Dave x Dave are you going to try the arsenic? Yes, I believe it's because of pathogens in the gut as well. I also know of someone who got cured by taking some kind of iodine or something (from Dr. Hulda s literature). Turns out it killed pathogens in the gut. After that she didn't have anymore lactose intolerance at all. I think a lot boils down to the gut with us, I really do. Our gut environment is bad and we can't kill the pathogens with regular antibiotics, we need something stronger. Let us know more if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 In a message dated 11/7/04 6:08:02 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > It's used as rat poison in greater relative doses than we ingest as heart > patients, because it causes internal hemorrhage in the rodent. An overdose > will do the same thing to a person. Arsenic causes hemorrhage in a small > percentage of patients, but poisons the gastrointestinal tract, causing diarrhea > and electrolyte imbalances and nutritional and metabolic damage. My God, Gertie, please tell me what you have that requires that you take this drug so that I can do whatever is necessary to not get the same problem as my ultra-phobia about pharmaceuticals would never let me take something like this without being hogtied and forcefed. This is my greatest fear in life, having something wrong with me that makes pharmaceuticals mandatory to prolong my life. I'm terrified to take even an aspirin now, and knock on wood, I don't need any pharmaceuticals. . . yet! " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 In a message dated 11/7/04 6:08:02 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > It's used as rat poison in greater relative doses than we ingest as heart > patients, because it causes internal hemorrhage in the rodent. An overdose > will do the same thing to a person. Arsenic causes hemorrhage in a small > percentage of patients, but poisons the gastrointestinal tract, causing diarrhea > and electrolyte imbalances and nutritional and metabolic damage. My God, Gertie, please tell me what you have that requires that you take this drug so that I can do whatever is necessary to not get the same problem as my ultra-phobia about pharmaceuticals would never let me take something like this without being hogtied and forcefed. This is my greatest fear in life, having something wrong with me that makes pharmaceuticals mandatory to prolong my life. I'm terrified to take even an aspirin now, and knock on wood, I don't need any pharmaceuticals. . . yet! " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Glitter, I have a very common cardiac arrhythmia called atrial fibrillation. Usually it happens in people much older than I, but I had an underlying series of problems arising from a congenital valve disorder. With " a fib, " the atria, the upper chambers of the heart, do not pump properly, they " dither " around, fluttering and quivering, so that not all the blood they are supposed to push along gets pushed -- instead, it hangs around the atrium, and tends to clot, and then the clots can cause various problems in the lung or brain, for instance, as a stroke or a pulmonary embolism. Therefore, people with chronic atrial fibrillation are given this drug that makes the blood less eager to form clots. At least it's NOT arsenic, so it does not make me weak and unable to keep food down and give me diarrhea, the way " the other rat poison " would. I'm the last person to be looking for a drug to take, but I would rather take warfarin than have a stroke. gertie Re: Arsenic In a message dated 11/7/04 6:08:02 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > It's used as rat poison in greater relative doses than we ingest as heart > patients, because it causes internal hemorrhage in the rodent. An overdose > will do the same thing to a person. Arsenic causes hemorrhage in a small > percentage of patients, but poisons the gastrointestinal tract, causing diarrhea > and electrolyte imbalances and nutritional and metabolic damage. My God, Gertie, please tell me what you have that requires that you take this drug so that I can do whatever is necessary to not get the same problem as my ultra-phobia about pharmaceuticals would never let me take something like this without being hogtied and forcefed. This is my greatest fear in life, having something wrong with me that makes pharmaceuticals mandatory to prolong my life. I'm terrified to take even an aspirin now, and knock on wood, I don't need any pharmaceuticals. . . yet! " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Glitter, I have a very common cardiac arrhythmia called atrial fibrillation. Usually it happens in people much older than I, but I had an underlying series of problems arising from a congenital valve disorder. With " a fib, " the atria, the upper chambers of the heart, do not pump properly, they " dither " around, fluttering and quivering, so that not all the blood they are supposed to push along gets pushed -- instead, it hangs around the atrium, and tends to clot, and then the clots can cause various problems in the lung or brain, for instance, as a stroke or a pulmonary embolism. Therefore, people with chronic atrial fibrillation are given this drug that makes the blood less eager to form clots. At least it's NOT arsenic, so it does not make me weak and unable to keep food down and give me diarrhea, the way " the other rat poison " would. I'm the last person to be looking for a drug to take, but I would rather take warfarin than have a stroke. gertie Re: Arsenic In a message dated 11/7/04 6:08:02 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > It's used as rat poison in greater relative doses than we ingest as heart > patients, because it causes internal hemorrhage in the rodent. An overdose > will do the same thing to a person. Arsenic causes hemorrhage in a small > percentage of patients, but poisons the gastrointestinal tract, causing diarrhea > and electrolyte imbalances and nutritional and metabolic damage. My God, Gertie, please tell me what you have that requires that you take this drug so that I can do whatever is necessary to not get the same problem as my ultra-phobia about pharmaceuticals would never let me take something like this without being hogtied and forcefed. This is my greatest fear in life, having something wrong with me that makes pharmaceuticals mandatory to prolong my life. I'm terrified to take even an aspirin now, and knock on wood, I don't need any pharmaceuticals. . . yet! " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 > > Bee, I tested positive for arsenic about 5 weeks ago and had my water > tested , it was normal. I had been around paint so I figured that had > to be it but arsenic leaves your system quickly so I was told to be > tested again in a month. I have heard fish oil can have arsenic. I have taken fish oil for about 6 months, and about 2 weeks ago I started > using cod liver oil, so I would take 2 cod liver oil tablets in the > morning and one fish oil at night, I was retested Monday and my arsenic level had doubled, was 5 , now 10. Do you think its the cod and fish oil supplements?? If not, any idea where it could come from?? Im not around soil or paint at all. ==>Hi . Good cod liver oil and fish oil products will not contain arsenic, but you could contact the company to make sure. Ask for their laboratory analysis or a written guarantee their product doesn't contain arsenic. Other sources of arsenic are water, and pesticides in foods and water. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 > If not, any idea where it could come from?? > I JUST read this in a Good Housekeeping in my allergist's office. Apparently, the type of wood used for outdoor decks and children's playgrounds is pressure treated with a mixture of copper and arsenic to prevent mold and warping. This family had a deck installed and basically all got very very sick. Highly toxic. Might you have had contact with wood treated for outdoor use? /alicia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I tested positive at the end of March with a value of 5, I had my water tested, it was normal but I still started drinking Le Bleu water. (purified) I had no contact with soil, wood, paint or anything. The only differemce is that I started taking cod liver oil in the morning in addition to the fish oil I was taking at night. I tested again near the end of this month and it had doubled at 10. Arsenic doesnt stay in your system very long at all so I'd have to come in contact with it regularly. The cod liver and fish oil supplements I was taking was a cheap brand at Walmart. I am almost positive that it has to be the problem. I stopped taking them as of yesterday and purchased cod liver oil from Carlson Co. that is triple tested to be contaminant free. I will retest in a month to make sure it is gone and I will re-post. Thanks for your help. <alicia@...> wrote: > If not, any idea where it could come from?? > I JUST read this in a Good Housekeeping in my allergist's office. Apparently, the type of wood used for outdoor decks and children's playgrounds is pressure treated with a mixture of copper and arsenic to prevent mold and warping. This family had a deck installed and basically all got very very sick. Highly toxic. Might you have had contact with wood treated for outdoor use? /alicia --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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