Re: bee venon treatment and lymes

[Guest guest]

No, but I've used bee venom ointment, Venex, and it helped me a lot.

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> Hello,

> Does anyone have experience with SQ bee venon injections?

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[Guest guest]

What symptoms/how did the bee ointment help?

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> > Hello,

> > Does anyone have experience with SQ bee venon injections?

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[Guest guest]

The bottoms of my feet used to hurt, and one night when I was experiencing

really severe pain in my foot, regular pain relievers wouldn't help, so in

desperation I rubbed the Venex on it, and to my surprise, the pain stopped

almost immediately. This was followed by a herx, which for me was that my eyes

would droop and close up.

After this, I started rubbing the Venex on almost every part of me (not all at

once, because you're not supposed to use too much/day.)

I found that I would herx, and would feel better. I also had a large lump on

the bottom of my foot which went away after many repeated applications to the

area. Every time I rubbed it in, I herxed. At one point I also felt a series

of smaller lumps, kind of like a " string of pearls " , under my skin on the front

of my shin, and with repeated application they went away. I even herxed when I

applied it to my face, which by the way would feel much smoother after applying

it. I had some little white spots that were like little zits, but weren't, and

they went away after repeated applications of Venex.

I applied it to itchy areas and would herx, then the rash would subside. Later

it would come back, and I just kept massaging it in. So I rubbed it into almost

all my joints. I especially had the itchiness around my knees and elbows. I

also rubbed it on my shoulders, which were very stiff and at the time I was

unable to hold my shoulders up (I was becoming hunchback), and after a while,

was able to get back to my former good posture.

So those are some of the things I remember. I haven't used it in a while,

although I still have a couple of tubes left.

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> > > Hello,

> > > Does anyone have experience with SQ bee venon injections?

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[Guest guest]

By the way, another point I'd like to mention is that a couple of years ago I

went to the Lyme Disease conference in San Francisco and heard Dr.

Barthold from UC speak on Bb, and one of the things he said is that they'd

found that the highest concentration of Bb was in the SKIN. I think that would

indicate the usefulness of topical treatment.

I still herx some when I apply things topically, but lately I've been using cold

pressed virgin coconut oil instead because it seems gentler, and my Lyme disease

has improved tremendously since my Venex days. I don't feel that I need the

strength of Venex right now.

If you're not allergic to bee stings, I'd highly recommend buying a tube and

trying it out.

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> > > Hello,

> > > Does anyone have experience with SQ bee venon injections?

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[Guest guest]

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> By the way, another point I'd like to mention is that a couple of years ago I

went to the Lyme Disease conference in San Francisco and heard Dr.

Barthold from UC speak on Bb, and one of the things he said is that they'd

found that the highest concentration of Bb was in the SKIN. I think that would

indicate the usefulness of topical treatment.

yes, although this high concentration may be influenced by the fact that

detection in skin samples is very easy with PCR or culture, while the usual

blood tests used for most other body sites have many false negatives.

There is another point in favor of topical treatment: oral /IV ABX does not

reach the skin very well, especially in lymies with circulation problems (ACA

like presentation etc.). The same seems to apply to many types of ABX when used

topically. Ointments of natural products probably reach deaper into the skin;

I'm also experimenting with virgin coconut oil applied to the skin.

[Guest guest]

In addition to using virgin coconut oil on the skin, have you tried

3% hydrogen peroxide? Im wondering if spraying down with HP after a

hot shower, waiting a few minutes, then rinsing off, and then applying

the coconut oil on the skin might be helpful? Carol

[Guest guest]

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> In addition to using virgin coconut oil on the skin, have you tried

> 3% hydrogen peroxide? Im wondering if spraying down with HP after a

> hot shower, waiting a few minutes, then rinsing off, and then applying

> the coconut oil on the skin might be helpful? Carol

what is the idea behind using hydrogen peroxide, as a general antibacterial, or

to kill Bb? My skin is very fragile, I doubt if such chemicals are a good idea.