Re: treatment for Bartonella

[Guest guest]

Hi Marisa

Thank you for the info...for ME the only thing keeping the Bart (

and Lyme) in check is combining MINOCYCLINE plus SUPRAX

as proven by nearly dying this summer/fall when I stopped it despite

trying herbal and homeopathic protocols, and TCM/Accupuncture too

we are all such individuals that any given success may not help

others

But we all need to keep sharing in case it does help another

be well

Finette

>

> Hi, I've been waiting a while to write this note as we

> all know how these diseases can have their ups and

> downs. But I thought maybe this information might help

> someone.

>

> My family member has been sick for nearly 5 years. We

> think that one of the main players in his illness was

> Bartonella, though he did not test positive. A trip

> to the East Coast two years ago focused us on this,

> and upon reflection, we realized his symptoms were

> consistent with Bartonella. Treatment with Mepron in

> Spring '06 made the Bartonella symptoms much more

> severe and difficult to control. Different Bartonella

> drugs were tried (Doxycycline with Rifampin, later

> Rocephin with Levaquin, later Factive with Rocephin

> and Rifampin) and, though they worked for a short

> time, they quickly failed to work.

>

> This is the combination which has been keeping my

> family member stable for several months now: Doryx,

> Zithromax, and Septra. I see him doing better than he

> ever has in the last 5 years. We found a medical

> journal which concluded that this is one of the best

> combinations for Bartonella.

>

> Wishing everyone happy and healthy holidays,

>

> Marisa

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Finette we are all different to some degree. With me it is the herbs that

make me better and the abx that made me worse except for the Cipro in the

beginning, but that is too hard on most peoples colon and destroys many of them.

I have run low on some of my herbs recently, and now I am feeling it. I was

going to encapsulate some today, but never got to it with working on a photo all

day, so I am really feeling only being on half of my herbs for the past two

days. GOT to do them tomorrow.

Hope you can get off the abx soon and be able to take the herbs for better

health.

Jim

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Finette Lerman-Russak <FinRussak@...> wrote:

Hi Marisa

Thank you for the info...for ME the only thing keeping the Bart (

and Lyme) in check is combining MINOCYCLINE plus SUPRAX

as proven by nearly dying this summer/fall when I stopped it despite

trying herbal and homeopathic protocols, and TCM/Accupuncture too

we are all such individuals that any given success may not help

others

But we all need to keep sharing in case it does help another

be well

Finette

[Guest guest]

I want to add my recent/current experience in case it may help

someone else. I've had a recurrent rash on the back of my neck,

which recently came back w/ a vengeance. I now believe it is

probably Bartonella, after assuming it was Bb. Although I can't see

it, I can feel that a number of the bumps are lined up rather

linearly, a sign of Bart.

I've been on a heavy abx regimen, and am currently on 5 abx. I

recently added red root, boneset and pau d'arco tinctures/solutions

by mouth.

The rash kept spreading and itching more, so out of desperation I

decided to squirt some of the pau d'arco and boneset on the rash and

rub it in and see what would happen. My thought is that the rash is

a physical manifestation of the bacteria erupting on the skin, so

maybe applying a bactericide topically would kill them.

WOW! I had a huge herx very quickly after applying the solutions.

The itchiness lessened and the bumpiness lessened. This was on

Monday of this week. After applying it once a day for a couple of

days, I decided to apply it twice a day. I herx after each

application, although the herxes are lessening in intensity. A

couple of days ago I decided to apply the solutions twice a day. The

bumpiness is almost gone and it's pretty much not itching at all

anymore.

The downside is that my hair/neck get a little sticky in the area the

solution has been applied, and I smell like boneset and pau d'arco,

but between having the rash or getting better, I'd rather deal with

it for a while and get better.

I also found an abstract done in Japan that discusses the potential

of using the scalp as a drug delivery location, because the scalp

absorbs pretty well via the hair follicles (Transfollicular

absorption, they called it.).

Anyway, that's my contribution for today. If you have this rash on

the back of the head near the base of the hairline, and it itches a

lot, you might try this. I hope it will work for you, too.

Patti

> Hi Marisa

>

> Thank you for the info...for ME the only thing keeping the Bart (

> and Lyme) in check is combining MINOCYCLINE plus SUPRAX

>

> as proven by nearly dying this summer/fall when I stopped it

despite

> trying herbal and homeopathic protocols, and TCM/Accupuncture too

>

> we are all such individuals that any given success may not help

> others

>

> But we all need to keep sharing in case it does help another

>

> be well

> Finette

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti

I wanted to ask where you get the boneset tincture? Does the pau d'arco

also work equally well on the rash? I wonder if essential oils would

also work??

I have this too...recurrent dotty rash on chest or back and stretch

mark type as well as sore throat and feeling exhausted before the rash

appears. I think it is Bart but Reservatrol doesn't seem to do much for

me...I haven't tried it long though.

For others info, my doc sometimes uses a 10 day drug regimen of Avelox

and Moxifloxacin..I've never tried it but may do soon.

thanks

Emma

[Guest guest]

Hi Emma,

I'm using tinctures and solutions by Herb Pharm. I order 4 oz

bottles through Whole Foods, but you may be able to find them online

as well. I will say, I think these preparations by Herb Pharm are

really excellent quality, fwiw.

I sometimes put the pau d'arco on first and wait a while, til it's

mostly dry before applying the boneset, and while I believe the pau

d'arco definitely helps, any residual itchiness that I have seems to

definitely " calm down " more so after applying the boneset.

I've now been applying these things topically for a week, and there

is only a slight hint of the original rash there. My herxes after

applying them have also gotten much, much lighter as well. I plan to

continue applying the two solutions until there's no hint of either

he rash or a herx reaction anymore.

If you have the essential oils already, try them, esp if they have

antimicrobial activity. But if you don't have them, I would

definitely recommend buying the boneset and pau d'arco and using them

together, and massage them into the affected areas.

I've been on antibiotics for over 2 years now, and I really think

there are areas of the body that the blood simply doesn't reach well

enough to carry enought drug there to be super effective. That's why

applying the herbs or possibly even a topical abx directly to a rash

would probably deliver far more drug directly to the source of the

problem. And that way we may be able to eradicate more of the

infection faster.

Be prepared for a big herx, though.

Let me know if it helps you. I hope it does.

Patti

>

> Hi Patti

> I wanted to ask where you get the boneset tincture? Does the pau

d'arco

> also work equally well on the rash? I wonder if essential oils

would

> also work??

>

> I have this too...recurrent dotty rash on chest or back and stretch

> mark type as well as sore throat and feeling exhausted before the

rash

> appears. I think it is Bart but Reservatrol doesn't seem to do much

for

> me...I haven't tried it long though.

>

> For others info, my doc sometimes uses a 10 day drug regimen of

Avelox

> and Moxifloxacin..I've never tried it but may do soon.

>

> thanks

> Emma

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, is this message for me???

If so, I got the Boneset Tea and Stephania root (real roots) from a

friend.

I've never tried pau d'arco.

My husband has the rash all over his legs, stretch marks and red lines.

His feet are so swollen and red (heels mostly) that he can hardly walk.

He has to work 70 hours a week. I'm too sick to work at all.

The 10 day drug regimen sounds interesting. All the Best

[ ] Re: treatment for Bartonella

Hi Patti

I wanted to ask where you get the boneset tincture? Does the pau d'arco

also work equally well on the rash? I wonder if essential oils would

also work??

I have this too...recurrent dotty rash on chest or back and stretch

mark type as well as sore throat and feeling exhausted before the rash

appears. I think it is Bart but Reservatrol doesn't seem to do much for

me...I haven't tried it long though.

For others info, my doc sometimes uses a 10 day drug regimen of Avelox

and Moxifloxacin..I've never tried it but may do soon.

thanks

Emma

[Guest guest]

Levaquin is deadly against Bartonella (Burrascano reported that first

I think). I've had the BIGGEST herxes and improvements ever after 2

months of levaquin. I also am on the SB herbs for Lyme. The combo

of the herbs + levaquin is the best I have found yet.

Cheers,

Craig

> >

> > Hi Patti

> > I wanted to ask where you get the boneset tincture? Does the pau

> d'arco

> > also work equally well on the rash? I wonder if essential oils

> would

> > also work??

> >

> > I have this too...recurrent dotty rash on chest or back and

stretch

> > mark type as well as sore throat and feeling exhausted before the

> rash

> > appears. I think it is Bart but Reservatrol doesn't seem to do

much

> for

> > me...I haven't tried it long though.

> >

> > For others info, my doc sometimes uses a 10 day drug regimen of

> Avelox

> > and Moxifloxacin..I've never tried it but may do soon.

> >

> > thanks

> > Emma

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As a follow up to my previous post, I just wanted to let everyone

know that I'm still applying the pau d'arco and boneset twice day (in

addition to drinking it 2-3 times a day). There's very little of the

original rash/itching left. However bits of it seem to have " moved "

out of the area a little and now I find little spots of rash lower on

my neck and shoulders. These spots are small compared to the

original area the rash was covering, so I'm applying the pau d'arco

and boneset to these areas in addition to the original area. Herxing

w/pau d'arco seems to be pretty minimal to non existant now. However

I still herxed this morning after applying the boneset, but the herx

only lasted about an hour, so the intensity is definitely lessening.

The first herx I had from them lasted oer 12 hours and was quite

severe, at least for me. I'll occasionally herx in the afternoon as

well, even though I haven't applied anything recently.

It's important to keep in mind that I'm taking oral abx as well, so

these afternoon herxes may be due to the other abx I'm taking. I

don't take the abx at the same time that I use the herbs, so I feel

pretty confident that the herxes I'm experiencing after applying the

herbs is due to the herbs.

I plan to keep applying the herbs topically at least until I don't

herx at all after applying the boneset.

I may start applying stephania root tincture topically as well and

see if that changes my response.

I tried levaquin some time back, and my achilles started hurting, so

we stopped it since it's know to lead to ruptured achilles tendons in

some people. I'm also allergic to sulfas, so I can't take Bactrim

DS, unfortunately. I'm on rifampin, doxycycline, and zithromax for

the bart, and Bicillin injections and Tindamax for Bb.

>

> Levaquin is deadly against Bartonella (Burrascano reported that

first

> I think). I've had the BIGGEST herxes and improvements ever after

2

> months of levaquin. I also am on the SB herbs for Lyme. The combo

> of the herbs + levaquin is the best I have found yet.

>

> Cheers,

> Craig

>