Re: OT- low body temp / raising temp / sweating

[Guest guest]

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I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results.

I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have

similar results.

no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with a hot

bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more different

from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the heat builds

up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it might depend

on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and how strongly

it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a 'dry'

technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to this. I

try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty bad/tired

from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme. I

think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe one

of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

[Guest guest]

Dehydration-

I had a similar experience regarding not sweating, more importantly eyes not

tearing. I tried cutting onions a few times a day for days, no tears. Bottom

line, the human body requires 1 oz. of water p/lb of body weight every

day(see The Bodies Many Cries For Water - Dr. Batmanhelidg). I've been

drinking

that much water for the last 10 mos., and have seen most dramatic

improvement. Sweating, eyes tearing, increased cognitive function,

drastically reduced neuro symptoms (twitching, burning nerve pain,

crawling) etc. Please, please, drink enough water. Your body eliminating

properly is critical for this everlasting fight to feel well every day!

Iodine deficient -

Also, on Thyroid, low body temp. I was diagnosed Hypothyroid about 3 yrs

ago, and on Synthroid since. I started using kelp powder (sprinkle on toast

or on soup) about 1 tsp p/d (see Drum online). I took Basal temp before

rising for 3 mos. Started low 95-96 and over the months started to feel a

great difference, not so chilled to the bone anymore. About a month

ago asked for retest of thyroid levels and test results came back normal. No

more Synthroid, kelp powder every day. I think that even if you have

had normal thyroid function prior to Lyme, it is vitally important to

support your Thyroid as you work on your Lyme, and what better way to do so

than increase iodine intake via seaweed. I have come to believe that what

was diagnosed as Hypothyroid was (Lyme related) iodine deficiency.

I've gone gluten/dairy free as well.

Don't give up the fight my friends, you can be well.

[Guest guest]

I have to make sure that I drink alot of water before I go into my portable FIR

sauna otherwise I don't sweat. I find that I am dehydrated most of the time. I

have been making an effort to drink lots of water, and it seems to help.

[ ] Re: OT- low body temp / raising temp / sweating

>

I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results. I

don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have similar

results.

no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with a

hot bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more different

from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the heat builds

up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it might depend

on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and how strongly

it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a 'dry'

technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to this. I

try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty bad/tired

from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme. I

think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe one

of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

[Guest guest]

I think I induced a serious herx reaction through too much body temp. raising.

I was 2 weeks into initial treatment, standard Doxycyline 100 mg twice/day when

I found a suggestion by a Vet to raise your body temp by taking long hot showers

for 15-20 min. stating it increased the efficiency of the abxs by dilating the

smaller blood vessels. After doing that for 2 weeks , I had the opportunity to

take a 15 min. 146 F sauna which felt good at first, but later that the day

things went downhill. I think if your body temp reaches 102 you create an

unfriendly environment for the spirochetes--they definitely die at 104 F. Well

I went from fairly functional to nearly incapacitated for 6 weeks! Couldn't

even sit up most of the time. When I finally found an LLMD he kindly suggested

I not take hot showers or saunas until I was feeling better.

Knot_weed, what's your take on my experience. By the way, I'd gone undiagnosed

for 5 1/2 yrs. Interestingly I had 8 month pre-treatment, pre-diagnosis

complete remission in '07--thought whatever was wrong had fixed itself. Little

did I know . . .

Kim

[ ] Re: OT- low body temp / raising temp / sweating

>

I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results.

I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have

similar results.

no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with a hot

bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more different

from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the heat builds

up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it might depend

on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and how strongly

it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a 'dry'

technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to this. I

try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty bad/tired

from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme. I

think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe one

of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

[Guest guest]

thanks for the reply; I'm following some of this advice already but no effect

yet.

I drink enough, but maybe I drink too much coffee, 3-5 cups a day (opinions on

how this influences body hydration vary ...). I'm going to try exchanging some

of the coffee for rooibos tea, and see if that makes a differences.

I have been using a bit of kelp daily for about a month, but smaller dose than

you are using. The dose recommended on the package was tiny, probably about 100

mgram. I will try the suggestion to mix it with vegetables etc.

[Guest guest]

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I think if your body temp reaches 102 you create an unfriendly environment for

the spirochetes--they definitely die at 104 F.

yes, I have heard that several times and the chetes seem to prefer about 35C

(95F). I think it stirs up things, maybe they try to move to other tissue or

produce some kind of toxins in response. However, this organism is tough, so I

would be surprised if it really dies at 104F.

It could also be that there is an indirect effect, e.g. the hot bath increases

circulation in the skin/connective tissue layers where most of the Bb hide. As a

result of imcreased circulation, there might be some exposure of the Bb to

ABX/herbs or immune system, causing a symptom flare.

On the German lyme forums I have sometimes seen the suggestion that people

should take a hot bath/shower before going for a Lyme test the next day. They

say this increases the chance of getting a positive result from the Lyme test.

[Guest guest]

Kim-

On my recent neurological crash ( every imaginable neuro symptom I'm having). I

also through in sauna a couple of times-once while on flagyl another session

when on an herbal lyme decoction. I too wonder if it actually helped contribute

to the mess I'm in right now. It's been 6 weeks and I think it is going to take

me many months to recove r(I hope) back to baseline. I can't even tolerate bath

right now I'm so weak. Wondering if the heat plus herbs/drugs could have even

caused some damage? Not sure--but have the same experience as you.

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> I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results.

I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have

similar results.

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> no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with a

hot bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more different

from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the heat builds

up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it might depend

on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and how strongly

it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

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> My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a 'dry'

technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to this. I

try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty bad/tired

from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

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> a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme. I

think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe one

of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

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[Guest guest]

I understand that provoking a strong herx reaction can be dangerous, especially

if it causes a massive die-off of spirochetes because they release neuro toxins

when they die.

I think I did more damage to my peripheral nervous system by raising body temp

when spirochetes were possibly multiplying (just a theory) and more vulnerable

to antibiotics. All I do know is that before the high body heating, I did not

have neuro symptoms (except occ. ringing in ears). I had fatigue, mild

shortness of breath with exertion (like climbing flights of stairs), severe mood

swings and crying jags. Since then I can't go more than half a day without

either itching, tingling, vibrating, ringing in ears accompanied by fatigue.

The nurse practitioner thought my symptoms are due to nerve damage which would

heal over time. I sure hope so.

Kim

[ ] Re: OT- low body temp / raising temp / sweating

Kim-

On my recent neurological crash ( every imaginable neuro symptom I'm having). I

also through in sauna a couple of times-once while on flagyl another session

when on an herbal lyme decoction. I too wonder if it actually helped contribute

to the mess I'm in right now. It's been 6 weeks and I think it is going to take

me many months to recove r(I hope) back to baseline. I can't even tolerate bath

right now I'm so weak. Wondering if the heat plus herbs/drugs could have even

caused some damage? Not sure--but have the same experience as you.

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> I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results.

I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have

similar results.

>

> no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with a

hot bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more different

from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the heat builds

up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it might depend

on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and how strongly

it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

>

> My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a 'dry'

technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to this. I

try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty bad/tired

from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

>

> a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme. I

think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe one

of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

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[Guest guest]

Reading about your crashes recalls many posts on other groups about the

importance of detoxing.

I take silymarin (milk thistle) and N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) among others. I

just ordered liposomal glutathione from LivOn Labs. This is also for liver

support. Took my first dose today and will be interested to see if there is any

noticeable difference over time. It's expensive, I think $39.99 for a box of 30

doses and you take one or two a day.

Make sure you are drinking loads of water and supporting your liver.

deb

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> > I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results.

I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have

similar results.

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> > no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with a

hot bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more different

from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the heat builds

up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it might depend

on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and how strongly

it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

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> > My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a

'dry' technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to

this. I try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty

bad/tired from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

> >

> > a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme. I

think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe one

of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

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[Guest guest]

I now take milk thistle & NAC with SAM-E and Alpha Lipoic Acid with Biotin and

about 10 other supplements daily. ALA promotes glutathione production. What is

liposomal glutathione for? How did you find out about it. A lot of my

supplements are those recommended by Dr. Burrascano (available online) as well

as Buhner.

Thanks for the suggestions Deb.

[ ] Re: OT- low body temp / raising temp / sweating

Reading about your crashes recalls many posts on other groups about the

importance of detoxing.

I take silymarin (milk thistle) and N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) among others. I

just ordered liposomal glutathione from LivOn Labs. This is also for liver

support. Took my first dose today and will be interested to see if there is any

noticeable difference over time. It's expensive, I think $39.99 for a box of 30

doses and you take one or two a day.

Make sure you are drinking loads of water and supporting your liver.

deb

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> > I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results.

I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have

similar results.

> >

> > no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with a

hot bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more different

from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the heat builds

up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it might depend

on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and how strongly

it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

> >

> > My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a

'dry' technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to

this. I try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty

bad/tired from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

> >

> > a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme. I

think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe one

of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

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[Guest guest]

Liposomal glutathione is just a delivery mechanism for the glutathione in which

it is encapsulated for better absorption. As with Vitamin C and other

supplements, most of what we ingest is not absorbed so you have to take high

doses. The liposomal version supposedly absorbs much better so you can get more

of the dose you swallow.

I bought the glutathione and Vit C (liposomal versions) online. Manufacturer is

LivOn Labs.

deb

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> > > I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results.

I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have

similar results.

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> > > no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with

a hot bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more

different from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the

heat builds up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it

might depend on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and

how strongly it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

> > >

> > > My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a

'dry' technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to

this. I try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty

bad/tired from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

> > >

> > > a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme.

I think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe

one of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

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[Guest guest]

Yep- I take milk thistle and some MLM gluthatione acceleraton MAXGL( at the

time) and always drink load of water. All I do drink is water and herbal teas.

And eat gluten free, organic , everything from scratch diet (for past 12 years).

I think I may one of those people who don't methylate/detox--? That is what a

naturopath is telling me .

Very frustrating to say the least.

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> > > I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises 4

degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar results.

I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this would have

similar results.

> > >

> > > no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature with

a hot bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even more

different from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most of the

heat builds up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with IR sauna it

might depend on the technology, because the penetration of IR light ('heat') and

how strongly it 'heats up' your body depends on the wavelength.

> > >

> > > My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a

'dry' technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly to

this. I try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel pretty

bad/tired from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

> > >

> > > a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting Lyme.

I think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?), and maybe

one of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say something about

sweating with far IR sauna?

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[Guest guest]

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> Liposomal glutathione is just a delivery mechanism for the glutathione in

which it is encapsulated for better absorption. As with Vitamin C and other

supplements, most of what we ingest is not absorbed so you have to take high

doses. The liposomal version supposedly absorbs much better so you can get more

of the dose you swallow.

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> I bought the glutathione and Vit C (liposomal versions) online. Manufacturer

is LivOn Labs.

yes, gluthatione is difficult to absorb so this should help. But for VitC I have

never heard that, it is water soluble and should absorb easily from the gut.

Indeed a relatively high dose is recommended for VitC when taking supplements

(e.g. 1-2 grams a day seems to be equivalent with fruit or vegetables that

contain 50 mg, more than sufficient daily dose for an adult). From what I

remember this is not related to bad absorption in the gut. Maybe it is because

VitC is easily flushed out of the body?

[Guest guest]

I too have problems sweating now. I've tried several types of saunas; I

sweat the most in the fir sauna, but I have to be in it for 30 min's to

start sweating, but I don't sweat much. It's hard for me to exercise, but

if I do, I sweat more from exercising than I do from the sauna. Stationary

bike or ellyptical sp? works well for me to break a sweat.

How do you mop up die-off of spirochetes? Is sweating out toxins the only

way, is there something else that helps move them thru our bodies?

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Re: [ ] Re: OT- low body temp / raising temp / sweating

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I understand that provoking a strong herx reaction can be dangerous,

especially if it causes a massive die-off of spirochetes because they

release neuro toxins when they die.

I think I did more damage to my peripheral nervous system by raising body

temp when spirochetes were possibly multiplying (just a theory) and more

vulnerable to antibiotics. All I do know is that before the high body

heating, I did not have neuro symptoms (except occ. ringing in ears). I

had fatigue, mild shortness of breath with exertion (like climbing flights

of stairs), severe mood swings and crying jags. Since then I can't go more

than half a day without either itching, tingling, vibrating, ringing in

ears accompanied by fatigue. The nurse practitioner thought my symptoms

are due to nerve damage which would heal over time. I sure hope so.

Kim

[ ] Re: OT- low body temp / raising temp / sweating

Kim-

On my recent neurological crash ( every imaginable neuro symptom I'm

having). I also through in sauna a couple of times-once while on flagyl

another session when on an herbal lyme decoction. I too wonder if it

actually helped contribute to the mess I'm in right now. It's been 6 weeks

and I think it is going to take me many months to recove r(I hope) back to

baseline. I can't even tolerate bath right now I'm so weak. Wondering if

the heat plus herbs/drugs could have even caused some damage? Not

sure--but have the same experience as you.

> >

> I notice that when I sit in a steam room for 20 min, my body temp rises

4 degrees and approaches the 98.6 normal range. A hot bath has similar

results. I don't have access to a far infrared sauna but I imagine this

would have similar results.

>

> no actual experience with most of these, but raising your temperature

with a hot bath is different from what happens in a steam room, and even

more different from a far infrared sauna. The site in your body where most

of the heat builds up and how excess heat is dissipated varies. Even with

IR sauna it might depend on the technology, because the penetration of IR

light ('heat') and how strongly it 'heats up' your body depends on the

wavelength.

>

> My guess is that a far infrared sauna is the best choice because it is a

'dry' technology. However it seems that some Lyme patients respond badly

to this. I try a hot bath sometimes (only option I have) and usually feel

pretty bad/tired from that (while I enjoyed it before I got lyme).

>

> a question that might be related: I don't sweat at all since getting

Lyme. I think that is related to low body temperature (bad circulation?),

and maybe one of the factors influencing my skin problems. Can anyone say

something about sweating with far IR sauna?

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