Re: Digestive Enzymes - anyone have recommendation?

[Guest guest]

I take DigestZyme by Ortho Molecular. Shop-ortho.com. They also have an

excellent probiotic called OrthoBiotic. None require refrigeration & are top

quality.

-Sonya

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[ ] Digestive Enzymes - anyone have recommendation?

Hi all,

I recently started with this thing referred to as GERD- (acid reflux) it makes

me burp, and I feel often a gnawing right at my heart center.

Someone suggested digestive enzymes, they said as we age, (I am 62) we lose

them.

Makes sense to me, so I wondered if anyone has some that they like.

At the same time as this started, by blood sugar, started acting wacky.

Normally, as long as I am careful to not skip a meal, not eat too much sugar,

not drink too much coffee, have a fairly good diet, I am ok.

so I don't know why out of the blue, it started to go wacky.

But it is important that I am able to tell when I am really hungry and need to

eat, or am experiencing a gnawing that is not hunger.

arggg

Well I am looking for a holistic practitioner to get some help in what is going

on, as well I am paying close attention to diet and emotions and how I feel.

Thanks for any feedback on the digestive enzymes or the condition.

ellen

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'll check that out. I was looking at digestive enzymes -

Are probiotics the same as dig. enzymes, or a kind of?

What do you take them for?

el

>

> I take DigestZyme by Ortho Molecular. Shop-ortho.com. They also have an

excellent probiotic called OrthoBiotic. None require refrigeration & are top

quality.

> -Sonya

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

>

> [ ] Digestive Enzymes - anyone have recommendation?

>

> Hi all,

> I recently started with this thing referred to as GERD- (acid reflux) it makes

me burp, and I feel often a gnawing right at my heart center.

>

> Someone suggested digestive enzymes, they said as we age, (I am 62) we lose

them.

> Makes sense to me, so I wondered if anyone has some that they like.

>

> At the same time as this started, by blood sugar, started acting wacky.

> Normally, as long as I am careful to not skip a meal, not eat too much sugar,

not drink too much coffee, have a fairly good diet, I am ok.

>

> so I don't know why out of the blue, it started to go wacky.

> But it is important that I am able to tell when I am really hungry and need to

eat, or am experiencing a gnawing that is not hunger.

>

> arggg

> Well I am looking for a holistic practitioner to get some help in what is

going on, as well I am paying close attention to diet and emotions and how I

feel.

>

> Thanks for any feedback on the digestive enzymes or the condition.

>

> ellen

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

DigestZyme is the digestive enzyme. You take that with your first bite of food.

You would want to take a probiotic about 30 mins before your meal.

My LLMD put me on both of them when I was first diagnosed. She says that 80% of

your immune system is in your gut. I have read research that supports that.

Healthy gut= strong immune system.

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[ ] Digestive Enzymes - anyone have recommendation?

>

> Hi all,

> I recently started with this thing referred to as GERD- (acid reflux) it makes

me burp, and I feel often a gnawing right at my heart center.

>

> Someone suggested digestive enzymes, they said as we age, (I am 62) we lose

them.

> Makes sense to me, so I wondered if anyone has some that they like.

>

> At the same time as this started, by blood sugar, started acting wacky.

> Normally, as long as I am careful to not skip a meal, not eat too much sugar,

not drink too much coffee, have a fairly good diet, I am ok.

>

> so I don't know why out of the blue, it started to go wacky.

> But it is important that I am able to tell when I am really hungry and need to

eat, or am experiencing a gnawing that is not hunger.

>

> arggg

> Well I am looking for a holistic practitioner to get some help in what is

going on, as well I am paying close attention to diet and emotions and how I

feel.

>

> Thanks for any feedback on the digestive enzymes or the condition.

>

> ellen

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm trying to decide if I should get both. ($)

Did your MD (sounds like you got a good one!) say both were necessary?

I guess so. Both taken to have a healthy gut?

ell

> >

> > I take DigestZyme by Ortho Molecular. Shop-ortho.com. They also have an

excellent probiotic called OrthoBiotic. None require refrigeration & are top

quality.

> > -Sonya

> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Probiotics have changed my life. Even before lyme (or maybe I had it & this was

my only symptom) I had IBS symptoms. The probiotics put an end to that.

Probiotics are probably more important than the enzymes. I have been really bad

about taking both. I know the probiotics are expensive, but they are worth it. I

only take one a day & then use another brand in the evening. If you are on

antibiotics, they are a MUST.

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[ ] Re: Digestive Enzymes - anyone have recommendation?

I'm trying to decide if I should get both. ($)

Did your MD (sounds like you got a good one!) say both were necessary?

I guess so. Both taken to have a healthy gut?

ell

> >

> > I take DigestZyme by Ortho Molecular. Shop-ortho.com. They also have an

excellent probiotic called OrthoBiotic. None require refrigeration & are top

quality.

> > -Sonya

> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Are probiotics the same as dig. enzymes, or a kind of?

no, they are something totally different.

Probiotics are bacteria that can restore a healthy gut, important for metabolism

(energy), immune system and many other functions. Our gut contains thousands of

different types of bacteria, so taking probiotics (usually just a few different

species) is not going to restore/replenish everything, e.g. after a long ABX

course (ABX kills most of the gut bacteria).

You have to take probiotics separate from ABX (at least 2 hours separation).

Digestive enzymes are proteins that can (theoretically) break up biofilms, blood

clots etc. But some of the will break up all kinds of biochemical substances,

including the food in your gut. So usually digestive enzymes have to be taken

separate from your meal.

[Guest guest]

Knotweed,

Maybe I'm taking my digestive enzymes at the wrong time. My LLMD said to take

them with first bite of food. So I assumed they were to help you digest your

food. Am I wrong?

And when should probiotics be taken?

Thanks!

-Sonya

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>

> Are probiotics the same as dig. enzymes, or a kind of?

no, they are something totally different.

Probiotics are bacteria that can restore a healthy gut, important for metabolism

(energy), immune system and many other functions. Our gut contains thousands of

different types of bacteria, so taking probiotics (usually just a few different

species) is not going to restore/replenish everything, e.g. after a long ABX

course (ABX kills most of the gut bacteria).

You have to take probiotics separate from ABX (at least 2 hours separation).

Digestive enzymes are proteins that can (theoretically) break up biofilms, blood

clots etc. But some of the will break up all kinds of biochemical substances,

including the food in your gut. So usually digestive enzymes have to be taken

separate from your meal.

[Guest guest]

My LLMD gave me Zypan by Standard Process. I can't really tell if they make any

difference but probiotics are definitely necessary. Also, I read somewhere that

rotating different brands each meal is better.

> >

>

> > Are probiotics the same as dig. enzymes, or a kind of?

>

> no, they are something totally different.

>

> Probiotics are bacteria that can restore a healthy gut, important for

metabolism (energy), immune system and many other functions. Our gut contains

thousands of different types of bacteria, so taking probiotics (usually just a

few different species) is not going to restore/replenish everything, e.g. after

a long ABX course (ABX kills most of the gut bacteria).

>

> You have to take probiotics separate from ABX (at least 2 hours separation).

>

> Digestive enzymes are proteins that can (theoretically) break up biofilms,

blood clots etc. But some of the will break up all kinds of biochemical

substances, including the food in your gut. So usually digestive enzymes have to

be taken separate from your meal.

>

[Guest guest]

I too have read that rotating brands is good. I wasn't sure if we should be

rotating bottles, or with each meal. I take 2 different kinds per day. Which

brand of probiotics do you take Deb?

-Sonya

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[ ] Re: Digestive Enzymes - anyone have recommendation?

My LLMD gave me Zypan by Standard Process. I can't really tell if they make any

difference but probiotics are definitely necessary. Also, I read somewhere that

rotating different brands each meal is better.

> >

>

> > Are probiotics the same as dig. enzymes, or a kind of?

>

> no, they are something totally different.

>

> Probiotics are bacteria that can restore a healthy gut, important for

metabolism (energy), immune system and many other functions. Our gut contains

thousands of different types of bacteria, so taking probiotics (usually just a

few different species) is not going to restore/replenish everything, e.g. after

a long ABX course (ABX kills most of the gut bacteria).

>

> You have to take probiotics separate from ABX (at least 2 hours separation).

>

> Digestive enzymes are proteins that can (theoretically) break up biofilms,

blood clots etc. But some of the will break up all kinds of biochemical

substances, including the food in your gut. So usually digestive enzymes have to

be taken separate from your meal.

>

[Guest guest]

I've been using Primal Defense Ultra from Garden of Life. This does not have to

be refrigerated. I recently bought MegaFlora by MegaFoods which does have to be

refrigerated. I had assumed that refrigerated might be better but read that it

could be less stable.

deb

> > >

> >

> > > Are probiotics the same as dig. enzymes, or a kind of?

> >

> > no, they are something totally different.

> >

> > Probiotics are bacteria that can restore a healthy gut, important for

metabolism (energy), immune system and many other functions. Our gut contains

thousands of different types of bacteria, so taking probiotics (usually just a

few different species) is not going to restore/replenish everything, e.g. after

a long ABX course (ABX kills most of the gut bacteria).

> >

> > You have to take probiotics separate from ABX (at least 2 hours separation).

> >

> > Digestive enzymes are proteins that can (theoretically) break up biofilms,

blood clots etc. But some of the will break up all kinds of biochemical

substances, including the food in your gut. So usually digestive enzymes have to

be taken separate from your meal.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Knotweed,

>

> Maybe I'm taking my digestive enzymes at the wrong time. My LLMD said to take

them with first bite of food. So I assumed they were to help you digest your

food. Am I wrong?

I think your LLMD is wrong because indeed, if you take it this way they will

digest your food and not the biofilms, blood clots etc. that people are normally

targeting. Just ask him/her, maybe there is another reason why they suggest to

take it this way?

> And when should probiotics be taken?

definitely separate from ABX, otherwise the ABX will kill the probiotics

bacteria right away. A good suggestion is to take them in the evening before you

go to bed. If you take many supplements, ABX, probiotics, digestive enzymes etc.

I don't think it is possible to take everything like it should for getting

optimal benefit. Don't worry too much about the details but keep an eye on the

most important issues.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Knot Weed. Is there a specific enzyme (ingredient) that we should be

looking for to combat the biofilm & blood clots?

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>

> Knotweed,

>

> Maybe I'm taking my digestive enzymes at the wrong time. My LLMD said to take

them with first bite of food. So I assumed they were to help you digest your

food. Am I wrong?

I think your LLMD is wrong because indeed, if you take it this way they will

digest your food and not the biofilms, blood clots etc. that people are normally

targeting. Just ask him/her, maybe there is another reason why they suggest to

take it this way?

> And when should probiotics be taken?

definitely separate from ABX, otherwise the ABX will kill the probiotics

bacteria right away. A good suggestion is to take them in the evening before you

go to bed. If you take many supplements, ABX, probiotics, digestive enzymes etc.

I don't think it is possible to take everything like it should for getting

optimal benefit. Don't worry too much about the details but keep an eye on the

most important issues.

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you Knot Weed. Is there a specific enzyme (ingredient) that we should be

looking for to combat the biofilm & blood clots?

I know very little about this.

serrapeptase has proven action against biofilms (in animal experiments); maybe

the others have similar effect, but medical researchers didn't bother to check

them out. I think most proteolytic enzymes will dissolve bloodclots IF they

reach the required concentration in the blood.

There is very little solid research and many unfounded claims regarding these

products. Probably also because most of them are natural products that cannot be

patented, and have problems with FDA approval. So companies will only do

expensive research if they have a special version, e.g. with their own patented

production process.

[Guest guest]

I decided to take both protelytic enzymes (serrapaptase) which must be taken

AWAY from food as a bio film buster and to help with joint pain and then I've

ordered some digestive enzymes which is to be taken WITH food to aid digestion.

It seems that despite supplementing with multi minerals my levels are still low,

especially selenium so I'm hoping that digestive enzymes will help with that. I

haven't tried them yet (still in the post) so too early to tell whether it'll

work or not. I got my enzymes from vitacost. I also ordered some supercleanse

for a colon clean out!

http://www.vitacost.com/Twinlab-Super-Enzyme-Caps-50-Capsules

http://www.vitacost.com/Natures-Secret-Super-Cleanse-trade

From a super clean me (coming soon!)

> >

> > Knotweed,

> >

> > Maybe I'm taking my digestive enzymes at the wrong time. My LLMD said to

take them with first bite of food. So I assumed they were to help you digest

your food. Am I wrong?

>

> I think your LLMD is wrong because indeed, if you take it this way they will

digest your food and not the biofilms, blood clots etc. that people are normally

targeting. Just ask him/her, maybe there is another reason why they suggest to

take it this way?

>

>

> > And when should probiotics be taken?

>

> definitely separate from ABX, otherwise the ABX will kill the probiotics

bacteria right away. A good suggestion is to take them in the evening before you

go to bed. If you take many supplements, ABX, probiotics, digestive enzymes etc.

I don't think it is possible to take everything like it should for getting

optimal benefit. Don't worry too much about the details but keep an eye on the

most important issues.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I decided to take both protelytic enzymes (serrapaptase) which must be taken

AWAY from food as a bio film buster and to help with joint pain and then I've

ordered some digestive enzymes which is to be taken WITH food to aid digestion.

sorry, I now see that I made a mistake and assumed the 'digestive enzymes' were

proteolytic enzymes (many digestive enzymes ARE proteolytic so there is overlap,

but the name indicates they are used for a different purpose).

Yes, you can take digestive enzymes to help with food digestion/absorption, and

in that case you should take them with food, while proteolytic enzymes should be

taken away from food.

[Guest guest]

The very best probiotic to replace good flora stripped from your gut by abx is

Theralac. And yes, you must refrigerate, but even if you aren't on abx, you

should take one Theralac each week.

The Biofilm Busters are refering to different enzymes such as lumbrokinase,

nattokinase and serrapeptase. Read more at

http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-hope-for-most-chronic-cases-of-\

lyme-disease-part-one

Knotweed is great for everything!

Just my opinion...

Blessings,

Jenna

> >

> > Knotweed,

> >

> > Maybe I'm taking my digestive enzymes at the wrong time. My LLMD said to

take them with first bite of food. So I assumed they were to help you digest

your food. Am I wrong?

>

> I think your LLMD is wrong because indeed, if you take it this way they will

digest your food and not the biofilms, blood clots etc. that people are normally

targeting. Just ask him/her, maybe there is another reason why they suggest to

take it this way?

>

>

> > And when should probiotics be taken?

>

> definitely separate from ABX, otherwise the ABX will kill the probiotics

bacteria right away. A good suggestion is to take them in the evening before you

go to bed. If you take many supplements, ABX, probiotics, digestive enzymes etc.

I don't think it is possible to take everything like it should for getting

optimal benefit. Don't worry too much about the details but keep an eye on the

most important issues.

>

[Guest guest]

Read more at

http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-hope-for-most-chronic-cases-of-\

lyme-disease-part-one

" In neurological Lyme disease, the biofilm is believed to be constructed of

actual bits and pieces of our myelin sheath which covers and protects our actual

nerves that make up our central nervous system. So when the immune system calls

for killer cells to destroy the invaders, our immune system can actually attack

our central nervous system trying to break through the biofilm and destroy the

infection which they cannot do. "

Do you have a solid scientific reference for that? It sounds contradictory; in

that case I would expect the lumbrokinase to attack the myelin sheath as well,

so it would be a dangerous treatment. I don't think the biofilm 'glue' is built

from myelin sheath material.

There are crossreactions ('auto-immunity') between Bb flagellin (the major

protein in the flagella) and human nerve tissue, because nerve tissue has

proteins that are antigenically very similar (maybe because the are

evolutionairy related). There are probably many other cross-reactions occuring

in Lyme disease and similar infectious diseases. Another one is between Bb OspC

and joint tissue (in people with specific HLA-A antigenes).

[Guest guest]

Oh great. This all makes perfect sense. About how far in between meals/food for

the Biofilm busters?

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>

> I decided to take both protelytic enzymes (serrapaptase) which must be taken

AWAY from food as a bio film buster and to help with joint pain and then I've

ordered some digestive enzymes which is to be taken WITH food to aid digestion.

sorry, I now see that I made a mistake and assumed the 'digestive enzymes' were

proteolytic enzymes (many digestive enzymes ARE proteolytic so there is overlap,

but the name indicates they are used for a different purpose).

Yes, you can take digestive enzymes to help with food digestion/absorption, and

in that case you should take them with food, while proteolytic enzymes should be

taken away from food.

[Guest guest]

>

> Oh great. This all makes perfect sense. About how far in between meals/food

for the Biofilm busters?

yes, that is probably the best strategy.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sonya - I think they suggest protelytic enzymes on an empty stomach (so as

far in between meals as possible) and take with a heavy metal chelator at the

same time. Then after 30 mins take antimicrobials (and I also drink a yogurt

drink) and then an hour after that take a binder such as chlorella or questran.

A couple of good links are as follows:

Getting Rid of Gut Biofilm and The Critters It Protects

http://www.wellsphere.com/lyme-disease-article/getting-rid-of-gut-biofilm-and-th\

e-critters-it-protects/420746

Dissolve Biofilms With Fibrinolytic Enzymes:

A Novel Approach to Chronic Infection in Autism Spectrum Disorders

(also discusses MS and Lyme disease)

http://www.allergyresearchgroup.com/Mar-2009-Focus-Newsletter-Biofilms-and-Fibri\

nolytic-Enzymes-sp-90.html

I haven't tried heavy metal chelator - has anyone any good suggestions?

> >

> > I decided to take both protelytic enzymes (serrapaptase) which must be taken

AWAY from food as a bio film buster and to help with joint pain and then I've

ordered some digestive enzymes which is to be taken WITH food to aid digestion.

>

> sorry, I now see that I made a mistake and assumed the 'digestive enzymes'

were proteolytic enzymes (many digestive enzymes ARE proteolytic so there is

overlap, but the name indicates they are used for a different purpose).

>

> Yes, you can take digestive enzymes to help with food digestion/absorption,

and in that case you should take them with food, while proteolytic enzymes

should be taken away from food.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you! I will check it out. I was taking Chlorella in pill form but my GI

track couldn't tolerate it.

-Sonya

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Hi Sonya - I think they suggest protelytic enzymes on an empty stomach (so as

far in between meals as possible) and take with a heavy metal chelator at the

same time. Then after 30 mins take antimicrobials (and I also drink a yogurt

drink) and then an hour after that take a binder such as chlorella or questran.

A couple of good links are as follows:

Getting Rid of Gut Biofilm and The Critters It Protects

http://www.wellsphere.com/lyme-disease-article/getting-rid-of-gut-biofilm-and-th\

e-critters-it-protects/420746

Dissolve Biofilms With Fibrinolytic Enzymes:

A Novel Approach to Chronic Infection in Autism Spectrum Disorders

(also discusses MS and Lyme disease)

http://www.allergyresearchgroup.com/Mar-2009-Focus-Newsletter-Biofilms-and-Fibri\

nolytic-Enzymes-sp-90.html

I haven't tried heavy metal chelator - has anyone any good suggestions?

> >

> > I decided to take both protelytic enzymes (serrapaptase) which must be taken

AWAY from food as a bio film buster and to help with joint pain and then I've

ordered some digestive enzymes which is to be taken WITH food to aid digestion.

>

> sorry, I now see that I made a mistake and assumed the 'digestive enzymes'

were proteolytic enzymes (many digestive enzymes ARE proteolytic so there is

overlap, but the name indicates they are used for a different purpose).

>

> Yes, you can take digestive enzymes to help with food digestion/absorption,

and in that case you should take them with food, while proteolytic enzymes

should be taken away from food.

>

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