Re: tick repellant nontoxic

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> Rodents are often the culprit in terms of harboring the infectious organisms.

agree, and it's impossible to get rid of them. The only way to control them is

having a viable ecosystem again; not going to happen.

> In Cure Unknown Pamela Weintraub describes how the change in ecology and

growth of rural suburbs facilitated the spread of Lyme in the Northeast (US).

I think she is putting too much blame on the deer. They are victims just like

humans.

> I've heard that Germany, Austria & Switzerland and Eastern Europe have the

most cases in Europe.

yes, probably because they have the most suitable habitats for ticks (e.g.

Alpine meadows, mixed forest/field areas in Poland etc.). The coasts (dunes) in

Netherlands and probably other coastal areas are high risk as well. I think the

problem there is destroyed ecology through farming, poison (less predators) etc.

- basically the same problem as in the US and most of Europe. Only the details

differ between regions.

But I think the other problem is that humans have become more vulnerable due to

'environmental disease' - factors that have compromised our immune systems like

chemical pollution, EM and cellphone radiation, vaccines, processed and GMO

foods, etc.

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> Who is " The Worm " ?

Wormser

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Who is Wormser as relates to this discussion?

On Mar 28, 2010, at 12:12 PM, knot_weed wrote:

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If you want a really fun read about how we manage to screw things up

by intervening into ecosystems

with the aim to solve a problem (such as infestation), read this

classic article from the Rocky Mountain

Institute: How Not to Parachute More Cats.

On Mar 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, knot_weed wrote:

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> > We are so screwed-- meaning the human race. I always thought

> since we

> > have no

> > more large predators, the micro organisms are going to reduce our

> > numbers, and

> > maybe we'll learn how to live in harmony with the Earth once again.

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> yes, studies in some EU countries show that - contrary to what is

> often said in US publications - having deer and other 'large

> grazing animals' in the neigborhood will REDUCE the risk for humans

> of getting bitten by a tick and getting lyme disease. If there are

> no deer, sheep, cattle etc. the ticks will choose humans or their

> pets.

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> Shooting deer as a preventive measure against Lyme disease is only

> effective in stricly isolated places like small islands. In most

> situations it will make things worse, usually with a 2-3 year lag

> though - so sometimes it seems to be effective the next year.

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> Who is Wormser as relates to this discussion?

currently the number one representative of IDSA in the medical/scientific

debates. He is the one who is manipulating all the data, to suggest that Lyme is

a relatively rare disease, that can easily be diagnosed and easily cured with

two weeks of antibiotics. etc.

He is also one of the authors that keeps coming back to the 'auto-immune'

explanations for chronic Lyme (or 'PLS' as they call it, because it is usually

all in your head ...).

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Seems there is no safe haven! You ever hear about the ticks on a plane...

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/3177716/

> Re: [ ] Re: tick repellant nontoxic

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> Well, you see, I have no one to do the body check so it's

> just too risky. I am not willing to suit up like I'm taking a

> walk on the moon every time I go out.

> I've decided to be a city dweller and only venture into

> nature when I am relatively sure they don't have ticks. Like

> at high altitudes and in the mediterranean. Then of course,

> you're dealing with muggers, terrorists, bears and

> intolerable heat . . . Of course, there are winter outdoor

> sports to enjoy. . .

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> Until they come up with a vaccine, I am afraid these are my choices.

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> On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:37 AM, lizzianthus007@... wrote:

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> > HMM you seem very frustrated , me too I have been infected over 5

> > times in the past 4 years , I dress right and un change in

> cellar with

> > putting my clothes in dryer on hot setting for 20 minutes

> then hubby

> > does the body check ....LOL

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> > In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:32:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > amanno@... writes:

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> > Best repellant: stay out of the woods, tall grasses, where deer

> > forage, woodpiles, away from unprotected pets and the outdoors

> > anywhere on the Eastern seaboard and wherever the deer tick

> may live.

> > That would include northern Europe, the US midwest, and where else?

> > Where else is it not safe to go out?

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> > On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, lizzianthus007@... wrote:

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> > > neem is also very useful as it a deter ant for ticks and

> fleas and

> > > also an antibacterial , you can get it in powdered form at any

> > > Indian grocery store its under 5 dollars an ounce and comes in a

> > > small box I want to say its in leave form too but I cannot read

> > > Indian , make a tincture it gets pretty muddy so stir often then

> > > strain thru coffee filters put 1/4 liquid to 2 parts

> witch hazel ,

> > > put in sprayer to mist your animals as well as help with

> itching and

> > > inflammation . you can also add lemon or orange eos that are food

> > > grade

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> > > as far a s worming goes black walnut is useful to humans

> and animals

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> > > In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:55:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > jgwarren@... writes:

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> > > I might have missed something here....

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> > > The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and the beer

> information

> > > (although very good information)The subject is ' tick repellant

> > > nontoxic' and the beer information (although very good

> > > information)<WBR>, doesn't mention ticks. Is the author saying

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> > > Jan

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> > > On Mar 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

> > > (mailto: ) wrote:

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> > > > Re: tick repellant nontoxic

> > > > Posted by: " " _msadams@..._

> > > (mailto:msadams@...) msadams

> > > > Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:27 pm (PDT)

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> > > > This was posted on Silver Pets....

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> > > > been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend

> > uses the

> > > *cheap

> > > > beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the

> > > ratio is

> > > on

> > > > the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

> > >

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He is one of the stupid IDSA ducks that has kept chronic lyme/babesia from being

recognized.

Re: [ ] Re: tick repellant nontoxic

Who is Wormser as relates to this discussion?

On Mar 28, 2010, at 12:12 PM, knot_weed wrote:

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