Re: tick repellant nontoxic

[Guest guest]

I have no first hand experience with the less chemical approach for

pets, but I have come across Dr. Tobin's name numerous times

(for both pets and people) and his homeopathic approach that seems

quite convincing. Here's a link to Planet Thrive with an excerpt of

an article...

(Apparently the homeopathy can both repell ticks and be a Lyme

disease preventative?)

http://planetthrive.com/2009/08/homeopathic-remedy-ledum-palustre/

Hope this helps,

Aviva

On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:32 PM, kendra wrote:

> greetings,

> fyi: typing triggers severe pain, so have to hire helper to type

> (found

> typist tonight). so you might not hear from me again, but i'm reading

> responses as able.

>

> I've heard about using catnip in olive oil as a bug repellant &

> possibly as

> a tick repellant - has anyone tried this & if so, how did it work?

>

> do you know of any other nontoxic approaches to tick repellant that

> are safe

> for use on dogs?

>

> i know this list has discussed this general topic before, so i'm

> especially

> looking for any new insights, experiences, etc, with non-toxic

> approach that

> are truly effective.

>

> we live in area of high infection rates from Lyme disease. i'm already

> disabled from late-stage neurological Lyme, and i've been re-

> infected 4

> times since original diagnosis. i cannot afford to get infected

> again. but i

> also do not want to use a toxic product like Frontline on dogs.

>

> i used to use frontline on dogs as last resort. then last year

> researched

> epa warnings that confirmed my gut feeling about all the spot-on

> toxins. but

> not been able to find anything else that comes close to working in

> this lyme

> endemic area.

>

> my lyme integrative medical doc says: " better that your dog dies

> early of

> cancer (from the frontline toxins) than you get infected with lyme

> again. "

> i did not reply to her ...

>

> clearly, i do not want to knowingly shorten the lifespan of any of my

> animals

>

> appreciating your experiences and sharing.

>

> gratefully,

> kendra

>

>

[Guest guest]

I give my dog Interceptor and I am not too pleased either.

I will be interested to hear what people say. As a side note I am also on

another email list that deals with Pets and alternative treatments. I will

ask there also! I will repeat anything I hear of note or you are also

welcome to join that list.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] tick repellant nontoxic

>

> greetings,

> fyi: typing triggers severe pain, so have to hire helper to

> type (found typist tonight). so you might not hear from me

> again, but i'm reading responses as able.

>

> I've heard about using catnip in olive oil as a bug repellant

> & possibly as a tick repellant - has anyone tried this & if

> so, how did it work?

>

> do you know of any other nontoxic approaches to tick

> repellant that are safe for use on dogs?

>

> i know this list has discussed this general topic before, so

> i'm especially looking for any new insights, experiences,

> etc, with non-toxic approach that are truly effective.

>

> we live in area of high infection rates from Lyme disease.

> i'm already disabled from late-stage neurological Lyme, and

> i've been re-infected 4 times since original diagnosis. i

> cannot afford to get infected again. but i also do not want

> to use a toxic product like Frontline on dogs.

>

> i used to use frontline on dogs as last resort. then last

> year researched epa warnings that confirmed my gut feeling

> about all the spot-on toxins. but not been able to find

> anything else that comes close to working in this lyme endemic area.

>

> my lyme integrative medical doc says: " better that your dog

> dies early of cancer (from the frontline toxins) than you get

> infected with lyme again. "

> i did not reply to her ...

>

> clearly, i do not want to knowingly shorten the lifespan of

> any of my animals

>

> appreciating your experiences and sharing.

>

> gratefully,

> kendra

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

>

[Guest guest]

just get orange eos at a Indian grocery store and mix with witch hazel you

may want to put a little rubbing alcohol in too for emulsifying , also Lady

Barbara uses rose geranium eos as a spray , I use both on my dogs , you

may be able to get a dog mesh outfit from Cabalas I think that is the name ,

I am working on making them now , but the fabric I have been using just

isn't holding up too long , it will not keep them all at bay but gives some

protection , what kind of dog do you have ?? I have mini schnauzers so I

brush them out and do a skin check all the time plus I have a gravel driveway

and that's a help but I am building a pen that will be in an area that it

pine trees so that will be a challenge

that is a help . Atlantic spice company in Truro Mass also has the oils and

bottles ect , they are reasonable , try ATTAR in NH too but they buy

irradiated the herbs . Lady Barbara products are expensive but if you make

them yourself as I do it can work too , NOT ROSE Attar Rose geranium , it goes

for about 8 dollars a half ounce ....orange eos are food grade

hope that helps

In a message dated 3/25/2010 1:22:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

sfrobink@... writes:

I have been told that it's ok to use products with d'limonene in them.

D'limonene comes from oranges and is how oranges fend off bugs. It's an

essential oil, is nontoxic to us but repels and kills bugs. You can get it in

the

concentrate form as TKOOrange - one site I know that sells it is

www.organicorangetkI have been told that it's ok to use products with d'limonene

in

them. D'limonene comes from oranges and is how oranges fend off bugs. It's

an essential oil, is nontoxic to us but repels and kills bugs. You can get

it in the concentrate form as TKOOrange - one site I know that sells it is

www.organicorangetk<WBR>ocal.com. It also comes

-----Original Message-----

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_ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

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Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:54 am

Subject: RE: [ ] tick repellant nontoxic

I give my dog Interceptor and I am not too pleased either.

I will be interested to hear what people say. As a side note I am also on

another email list that deals with Pets and alternative treatments. I will

ask there also! I will repeat anything I hear of note or you are also

welcome to join that list.

www.lyme-resource.www

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> -----Original Message-----

> From: _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: )

> [mailto:_ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: ) ] On Behalf Of kendra

> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:33 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] tick repellant nontoxic

>

> greetings,

> fyi: typing triggers severe pain, so have to hire helper to

> type (found typist tonight). so you might not hear from me

> again, but i'm reading responses as able.

>

> I've heard about using catnip in olive oil as a bug repellant

> & possibly as a tick repellant - has anyone tried this & if

> so, how did it work?

>

> do you know of any other nontoxic approaches to tick

> repellant that are safe for use on dogs?

>

> i know this list has discussed this general topic before, so

> i'm especially looking for any new insights, experiences,

> etc, with non-toxic approach that are truly effective.

>

> we live in area of high infection rates from Lyme disease.

> i'm already disabled from late-stage neurological Lyme, and

> i've been re-infected 4 times since original diagnosis. i

> cannot afford to get infected again. but i also do not want

> to use a toxic product like Frontline on dogs.

>

> i used to use frontline on dogs as last resort. then last

> year researched epa warnings that confirmed my gut feeling

> about all the spot-on toxins. but not been able to find

> anything else that comes close to working in this lyme endemic area.

>

> my lyme integrative medical doc says: " better that your dog

> dies early of cancer (from the frontline toxins) than you get

> infected with lyme again. "

> i did not reply to her ...

>

> clearly, i do not want to knowingly shorten the lifespan of

> any of my animals

>

> appreciating your experiences and sharing.

>

> gratefully,

> kendra

>

>

>

> ------------ -------- -------- -----

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> _http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been told that it's ok to use products with d'limonene in them.

D'limonene comes from oranges and is how oranges fend off bugs. It's an

essential oil, is nontoxic to us but repels and kills bugs. You can get it in

the concentrate form as TKOOrange - one site I know that sells it is

www.organicorangetkocal.com. It also comes somewhat diluted as Orange Guard in

health food and hardware stores. Put a little in a spray bottle, fill with water

and spray on clothing, camping areas and camping gear and lightly mist or rub on

dog and cat fur. I do not put it on my skin as it stings a little. We can use

other essential oils for skin. - Robin

[ ] tick repellant nontoxic

>

> greetings,

> fyi: typing triggers severe pain, so have to hire helper to

> type (found typist tonight). so you might not hear from me

> again, but i'm reading responses as able.

>

> I've heard about using catnip in olive oil as a bug repellant

> & possibly as a tick repellant - has anyone tried this & if

> so, how did it work?

>

> do you know of any other nontoxic approaches to tick

> repellant that are safe for use on dogs?

>

> i know this list has discussed this general topic before, so

> i'm especially looking for any new insights, experiences,

> etc, with non-toxic approach that are truly effective.

>

> we live in area of high infection rates from Lyme disease.

> i'm already disabled from late-stage neurological Lyme, and

> i've been re-infected 4 times since original diagnosis. i

> cannot afford to get infected again. but i also do not want

> to use a toxic product like Frontline on dogs.

>

> i used to use frontline on dogs as last resort. then last

> year researched epa warnings that confirmed my gut feeling

> about all the spot-on toxins. but not been able to find

> anything else that comes close to working in this lyme endemic area.

>

> my lyme integrative medical doc says: " better that your dog

> dies early of cancer (from the frontline toxins) than you get

> infected with lyme again. "

> i did not reply to her ...

>

> clearly, i do not want to knowingly shorten the lifespan of

> any of my animals

>

> appreciating your experiences and sharing.

>

> gratefully,

> kendra

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

>

[Guest guest]

This was posted on Silver Pets....

been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend uses the *cheap

beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the ratio is on

the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

I started researching.. and not realizing THEN that what I was finding on

the net would NOT stay there, i just copied the links and not the pages..

DUMB ME

But i found in research papers for work ongoing in JAPAN.. they were testing

the difference between Heart guard and Irish stout.. they were using guiness

black label stout.

now that is the difference.. the Glass bottles that are Black Label are

always imported from Ireland.. those in cans or not the black label.. are

brewed in the states and we have inferior hops..

its a totally different variety of hops actually.. and we have lots more

pollution where our hops are grown, then where Guiness grows theirs.. (in an

sealed environment.. pure air / water, and no pollution !!

and the way they brew it over in ireland is also better, slower, more hops

and better water.. so that process is also important.. to use guiness its

1oz / 25lbs of dog.

first month, you dose first of month and then 2 wks later, from then on..

its just one dose every month. unless you miss a month, then you start over

again.

my friend that uses the cheap beer, yes she sees worms come out dead..

has never really had worms.. so i cant say that they killed what she

had.. but it Does prevent them.. and she also does not get heart worm. AND

even when exposed to the area that had it the heaviest 3 yrs ago.. and the

other dog with us that weekend.. was on heartguard.. and DID get heartworm..

and did not.. speaks volumes to me.

as to getting rid of heartworm to those that test positive.. have a vet tech

friend in ohio.. she has used this to cure dogs that come in positive but

are too sick to take *traditional* meds to be rid of the heart worm..

that protocol is 1oz per 25lbs every 2 wks for 3 months.. a test to find out

where the dog stands.. if ONLY microfilea then the dog can go to once every

month as it will eventually kill off the microfilea.. IF however there are

still young worms in the body.. then another 3 months of the protocol..

usually at that end the dog is cured of the heartworm infestations.. and

WELL and Healthy.

the nicest thing about this is that .. the beer renders them sterile.. they

can not reproduce, it also stunts their growth, speeds their aging up.. AND

they do not produce any toxin as they die.. which is what happens when y ou

try to poison them.. they make the dog really sick and most times people

will stop the treatment to keep the dog alive.. and the heartworm lays

dormant and then comes back with vengence..

only the black label imported (glass bottle) guiness stout.. kills

heartworm.. the regular cheap beer wont..

its been used successfully on 6 dogs in the past 3 yrs.. and the people were

very happy to get their dogs back.. the vet was not so happy, and he lost

money.. oh well..

we have enough animals here, that one bottle does not last past the dose

day.. grin.

we also used the guiness to treat a rescue ferret that had hook worms in the

brain.. he had seizures, and lots of problems..

I started giving him half an eye dropper of guiness before every feeding and

we were feeding him 4 times per day.. after the beer, he was fed about 2 eye

droppers of baby liver. he fought the beer, but after the 3rd day we

started to really see a LOT of improvement.. it actually confirmed what we

had begun to see, but were not sure if it was that he was actually getting

FED .. it helped.. but the beer was actually improving him the most.

he made a complete recovery also. this was before i knew about Neem Oil or

the dmso.. grin.

We open the bottle, and measure it out per animal (3 dogs 2 cats) pour it

over their food and let it sit that way.. heather's gets marinated over her

raw food.. cats get it squirted down their throats.. we are lucky to get 3/4

down.. I do the holding.. they know better than to try to bite me!

no one here gets drunk, nor staggers..

OH. also know of someone that used the guiness to treat Ehrlichoisis, with

great success (although they were drinking the other half of the beer.. )

dog is GREAT now.. and no signs nor false positives of that crap. its own

vets wrote it off as not surviving.. but she is doing great.. and very

healthy now.

phine MorningStar & , Pyr, Mobility & MASD Native American in

Massachusetts

Never threaten anyone. It ruins the surprise.

www.etsy.com/shop/JoMorningStar

www.ApacheCreations.com

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=115148 & id=664006917 & l=b91a13dc97

Ne mohotatse

> [ ] tick repellant nontoxic

> >

> > greetings,

> > fyi: typing triggers severe pain, so have to hire helper to type

> > (found typist tonight). so you might not hear from me

> again, but i'm

> > reading responses as able.

> >

> > I've heard about using catnip in olive oil as a bug repellant &

> > possibly as a tick repellant - has anyone tried this & if

> so, how did

> > it work?

> >

> > do you know of any other nontoxic approaches to tick repellant that

> > are safe for use on dogs?

> >

> > i know this list has discussed this general topic before, so i'm

> > especially looking for any new insights, experiences, etc, with

> > non-toxic approach that are truly effective.

> >

> > we live in area of high infection rates from Lyme disease.

> > i'm already disabled from late-stage neurological Lyme, and

> i've been

> > re-infected 4 times since original diagnosis. i cannot

> afford to get

> > infected again. but i also do not want to use a toxic product like

> > Frontline on dogs.

> >

> > i used to use frontline on dogs as last resort. then last year

> > researched epa warnings that confirmed my gut feeling about all the

> > spot-on toxins. but not been able to find anything else that comes

> > close to working in this lyme endemic area.

> >

> > my lyme integrative medical doc says: " better that your dog

> dies early

> > of cancer (from the frontline toxins) than you get infected

> with lyme

> > again. "

> > i did not reply to her ...

> >

> > clearly, i do not want to knowingly shorten the lifespan of

> any of my

> > animals

> >

> > appreciating your experiences and sharing.

> >

> > gratefully,

> > kendra

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis

> > And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations:

> > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Great post. Now, if only I can keep my hands off it and make sure the dog is the

one who gets it...

Steve C

From: <msadams@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] tick repellant nontoxic

, SilverPets ,

ComputerGaming

Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:28 AM

 

This was posted on Silver Pets....

been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend uses the *cheap

beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the ratio is on

the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

I started researching. . and not realizing THEN that what I was finding on

the net would NOT stay there, i just copied the links and not the pages..

DUMB ME

But i found in research papers for work ongoing in JAPAN.. they were testing

the difference between Heart guard and Irish stout.. they were using guiness

black label stout.

now that is the difference.. the Glass bottles that are Black Label are

always imported from Ireland.. those in cans or not the black label.. are

brewed in the states and we have inferior hops..

its a totally different variety of hops actually.. and we have lots more

pollution where our hops are grown, then where Guiness grows theirs.. (in an

sealed environment. . pure air / water, and no pollution !!

and the way they brew it over in ireland is also better, slower, more hops

and better water.. so that process is also important.. to use guiness its

1oz / 25lbs of dog.

first month, you dose first of month and then 2 wks later, from then on..

its just one dose every month. unless you miss a month, then you start over

again.

my friend that uses the cheap beer, yes she sees worms come out dead..

has never really had worms.. so i cant say that they killed what she

had.. but it Does prevent them.. and she also does not get heart worm. AND

even when exposed to the area that had it the heaviest 3 yrs ago.. and the

other dog with us that weekend.. was on heartguard.. and DID get heartworm..

and did not.. speaks volumes to me.

as to getting rid of heartworm to those that test positive.. have a vet tech

friend in ohio.. she has used this to cure dogs that come in positive but

are too sick to take *traditional* meds to be rid of the heart worm..

that protocol is 1oz per 25lbs every 2 wks for 3 months.. a test to find out

where the dog stands.. if ONLY microfilea then the dog can go to once every

month as it will eventually kill off the microfilea.. IF however there are

still young worms in the body.. then another 3 months of the protocol..

usually at that end the dog is cured of the heartworm infestations. . and

WELL and Healthy.

the nicest thing about this is that .. the beer renders them sterile.. they

can not reproduce, it also stunts their growth, speeds their aging up.. AND

they do not produce any toxin as they die.. which is what happens when y ou

try to poison them.. they make the dog really sick and most times people

will stop the treatment to keep the dog alive.. and the heartworm lays

dormant and then comes back with vengence..

only the black label imported (glass bottle) guiness stout.. kills

heartworm.. the regular cheap beer wont..

its been used successfully on 6 dogs in the past 3 yrs.. and the people were

very happy to get their dogs back.. the vet was not so happy, and he lost

money.. oh well..

we have enough animals here, that one bottle does not last past the dose

day.. grin.

we also used the guiness to treat a rescue ferret that had hook worms in the

brain.. he had seizures, and lots of problems..

I started giving him half an eye dropper of guiness before every feeding and

we were feeding him 4 times per day.. after the beer, he was fed about 2 eye

droppers of baby liver. he fought the beer, but after the 3rd day we

started to really see a LOT of improvement. . it actually confirmed what we

had begun to see, but were not sure if it was that he was actually getting

FED .. it helped.. but the beer was actually improving him the most.

he made a complete recovery also. this was before i knew about Neem Oil or

the dmso.. grin.

We open the bottle, and measure it out per animal (3 dogs 2 cats) pour it

over their food and let it sit that way.. heather's gets marinated over her

raw food.. cats get it squirted down their throats.. we are lucky to get 3/4

down.. I do the holding.. they know better than to try to bite me!

no one here gets drunk, nor staggers..

OH. also know of someone that used the guiness to treat Ehrlichoisis, with

great success (although they were drinking the other half of the beer.. )

dog is GREAT now.. and no signs nor false positives of that crap. its own

vets wrote it off as not surviving.. but she is doing great.. and very

healthy now.

phine MorningStar & , Pyr, Mobility & MASD Native American in

Massachusetts

Never threaten anyone. It ruins the surprise.

www.etsy.com/ shop/JoMorningSt ar

www.ApacheCreations .com

http://www.facebook .com/album. php?aid=115148 & id=664006917 & l=b91a13dc97

Ne mohotatse

> [ ] tick repellant nontoxic

> >

> > greetings,

> > fyi: typing triggers severe pain, so have to hire helper to type

> > (found typist tonight). so you might not hear from me

> again, but i'm

> > reading responses as able.

> >

> > I've heard about using catnip in olive oil as a bug repellant &

> > possibly as a tick repellant - has anyone tried this & if

> so, how did

> > it work?

> >

> > do you know of any other nontoxic approaches to tick repellant that

> > are safe for use on dogs?

> >

> > i know this list has discussed this general topic before, so i'm

> > especially looking for any new insights, experiences, etc, with

> > non-toxic approach that are truly effective.

> >

> > we live in area of high infection rates from Lyme disease.

> > i'm already disabled from late-stage neurological Lyme, and

> i've been

> > re-infected 4 times since original diagnosis. i cannot

> afford to get

> > infected again. but i also do not want to use a toxic product like

> > Frontline on dogs.

> >

> > i used to use frontline on dogs as last resort. then last year

> > researched epa warnings that confirmed my gut feeling about all the

> > spot-on toxins. but not been able to find anything else that comes

> > close to working in this lyme endemic area.

> >

> > my lyme integrative medical doc says: " better that your dog

> dies early

> > of cancer (from the frontline toxins) than you get infected

> with lyme

> > again. "

> > i did not reply to her ...

> >

> > clearly, i do not want to knowingly shorten the lifespan of

> any of my

> > animals

> >

> > appreciating your experiences and sharing.

> >

> > gratefully,

> > kendra

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis

> > And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations:

> > http://tinyurl. com/3bgm5d

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

For what it's worth saw this in the Backpackers Magazine.

http://www.smartshield.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail & p=18

[Guest guest]

neem is also very useful as it a deter ant for ticks and fleas and also an

antibacterial , you can get it in powdered form at any Indian grocery store

its under 5 dollars an ounce and comes in a small box I want to say its in

leave form too but I cannot read Indian , make a tincture it gets pretty

muddy so stir often then strain thru coffee filters put 1/4 liquid to 2

parts witch hazel , put in sprayer to mist your animals as well as help with

itching and inflammation . you can also add lemon or orange eos that are

food grade

as far a s worming goes black walnut is useful to humans and animals

In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:55:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jgwarren@... writes:

I might have missed something here....

The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and the beer information

(although very good information)The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and

the

beer information (although very good information)<WBR>, doesn't mention

ticks. Is the author saying

Jan

On Mar 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: ) wrote:

> Re: tick repellant nontoxic

> Posted by: " " _msadams@..._

(mailto:msadams@...) msadams

> Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:27 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> This was posted on Silver Pets....

>

>

> been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend uses the

*cheap

> beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the ratio is

on

> the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

HMM you seem very frustrated , me too I have been infected over 5 times in

the past 4 years , I dress right and un change in cellar with putting my

clothes in dryer on hot setting for 20 minutes then hubby does the body check

....LOL

In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:32:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

amanno@... writes:

Best repellant: stay out of the woods, tall grasses, where deer

forage, woodpiles,

away from unprotected pets and the outdoors anywhere on the Eastern

seaboard and wherever

the deer tick may live. That would include northern Europe, the US

midwest, and

where else? Where else is it not safe to go out?

On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, lizzianthus007@... wrote:

> neem is also very useful as it a deter ant for ticks and fleas and

> also an

> antibacterial , you can get it in powdered form at any Indian

> grocery store

> its under 5 dollars an ounce and comes in a small box I want to say

> its in

> leave form too but I cannot read Indian , make a tincture it gets

> pretty

> muddy so stir often then strain thru coffee filters put 1/4 liquid

> to 2

> parts witch hazel , put in sprayer to mist your animals as well as

> help with

> itching and inflammation . you can also add lemon or orange eos

> that are

> food grade

>

> as far a s worming goes black walnut is useful to humans and animals

>

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:55:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jgwarren@... writes:

>

> I might have missed something here....

>

> The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and the beer information

> (although very good information)The subject is ' tick repellant

> nontoxic' and the

> beer information (although very good information)<WBR>, doesn't

> mention

> ticks. Is the author saying

>

> Jan

>

> On Mar 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

> (mailto: ) wrote:

>

> > Re: tick repellant nontoxic

> > Posted by: " " _msadams@..._

> (mailto:msadams@...) msadams

> > Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:27 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > This was posted on Silver Pets....

> >

> >

> > been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend uses the

> *cheap

> > beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the

> ratio is

> on

> > the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I might have missed something here....

The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and the beer information (although

very good information), doesn't mention ticks. Is the author saying beer works

on worms AND ticks? We don't have a lot of worm issues here but the ticks are

another story.

Jan

On Mar 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, wrote:

> Re: tick repellant nontoxic

> Posted by: " " msadams@... msadams

> Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:27 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> This was posted on Silver Pets....

>

>

> been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend uses the *cheap

> beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the ratio is on

> the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

[Guest guest]

Best repellant: stay out of the woods, tall grasses, where deer

forage, woodpiles,

away from unprotected pets and the outdoors anywhere on the Eastern

seaboard and wherever

the deer tick may live. That would include northern Europe, the US

midwest, and

where else? Where else is it not safe to go out?

On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, lizzianthus007@... wrote:

> neem is also very useful as it a deter ant for ticks and fleas and

> also an

> antibacterial , you can get it in powdered form at any Indian

> grocery store

> its under 5 dollars an ounce and comes in a small box I want to say

> its in

> leave form too but I cannot read Indian , make a tincture it gets

> pretty

> muddy so stir often then strain thru coffee filters put 1/4 liquid

> to 2

> parts witch hazel , put in sprayer to mist your animals as well as

> help with

> itching and inflammation . you can also add lemon or orange eos

> that are

> food grade

>

> as far a s worming goes black walnut is useful to humans and animals

>

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:55:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jgwarren@... writes:

>

> I might have missed something here....

>

> The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and the beer information

> (although very good information)The subject is ' tick repellant

> nontoxic' and the

> beer information (although very good information)<WBR>, doesn't

> mention

> ticks. Is the author saying

>

> Jan

>

> On Mar 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

> (mailto: ) wrote:

>

> > Re: tick repellant nontoxic

> > Posted by: " " _msadams@..._

> (mailto:msadams@...) msadams

> > Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:27 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > This was posted on Silver Pets....

> >

> >

> > been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend uses the

> *cheap

> > beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the

> ratio is

> on

> > the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, you see, I have no one to do the body check so it's just too

risky. I am

not willing to suit up like I'm taking a walk on the moon every time

I go out.

I've decided to be a city dweller and only venture into nature when I am

relatively sure they don't have ticks. Like at high altitudes and in the

mediterranean. Then of course, you're dealing with muggers, terrorists,

bears and intolerable heat . . . Of course, there are winter outdoor

sports to enjoy. . .

Until they come up with a vaccine, I am afraid these are my choices.

On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:37 AM, lizzianthus007@... wrote:

> HMM you seem very frustrated , me too I have been infected over 5

> times in

> the past 4 years , I dress right and un change in cellar with

> putting my

> clothes in dryer on hot setting for 20 minutes then hubby does the

> body check

> ....LOL

>

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:32:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> amanno@... writes:

>

> Best repellant: stay out of the woods, tall grasses, where deer

> forage, woodpiles,

> away from unprotected pets and the outdoors anywhere on the Eastern

> seaboard and wherever

> the deer tick may live. That would include northern Europe, the US

> midwest, and

> where else? Where else is it not safe to go out?

>

> On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, lizzianthus007@... wrote:

>

> > neem is also very useful as it a deter ant for ticks and fleas and

> > also an

> > antibacterial , you can get it in powdered form at any Indian

> > grocery store

> > its under 5 dollars an ounce and comes in a small box I want to say

> > its in

> > leave form too but I cannot read Indian , make a tincture it gets

> > pretty

> > muddy so stir often then strain thru coffee filters put 1/4 liquid

> > to 2

> > parts witch hazel , put in sprayer to mist your animals as well as

> > help with

> > itching and inflammation . you can also add lemon or orange eos

> > that are

> > food grade

> >

> > as far a s worming goes black walnut is useful to humans and animals

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:55:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > jgwarren@... writes:

> >

> > I might have missed something here....

> >

> > The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and the beer information

> > (although very good information)The subject is ' tick repellant

> > nontoxic' and the

> > beer information (although very good information)<WBR>, doesn't

> > mention

> > ticks. Is the author saying

> >

> > Jan

> >

> > On Mar 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

> > (mailto: ) wrote:

> >

> > > Re: tick repellant nontoxic

> > > Posted by: " " _msadams@..._

> > (mailto:msadams@...) msadams

> > > Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:27 pm (PDT)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This was posted on Silver Pets....

> > >

> > >

> > > been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend

> uses the

> > *cheap

> > > beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the

> > ratio is

> > on

> > > the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Makes me want to move back to New York City and stay there.

Re: [ ] Re: tick repellant nontoxic

Well, you see, I have no one to do the body check so it's just too

isky. I am

ot willing to suit up like I'm taking a walk on the moon every time

go out.

've decided to be a city dweller and only venture into nature when I am

elatively sure they don't have ticks. Like at high altitudes and in the

editerranean. Then of course, you're dealing with muggers, terrorists,

ears and intolerable heat . . . Of course, there are winter outdoor

ports to enjoy. . .

Until they come up with a vaccine, I am afraid these are my choices.

n Mar 27, 2010, at 9:37 AM, lizzianthus007@... wrote:

> HMM you seem very frustrated , me too I have been infected over 5

times in

the past 4 years , I dress right and un change in cellar with

putting my

clothes in dryer on hot setting for 20 minutes then hubby does the

body check

....LOL

In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:32:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

amanno@... writes:

Best repellant: stay out of the woods, tall grasses, where deer

forage, woodpiles,

away from unprotected pets and the outdoors anywhere on the Eastern

seaboard and wherever

the deer tick may live. That would include northern Europe, the US

midwest, and

where else? Where else is it not safe to go out?

On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, lizzianthus007@... wrote:

> neem is also very useful as it a deter ant for ticks and fleas and

> also an

> antibacterial , you can get it in powdered form at any Indian

> grocery store

> its under 5 dollars an ounce and comes in a small box I want to say

> its in

> leave form too but I cannot read Indian , make a tincture it gets

> pretty

> muddy so stir often then strain thru coffee filters put 1/4 liquid

> to 2

> parts witch hazel , put in sprayer to mist your animals as well as

> help with

> itching and inflammation . you can also add lemon or orange eos

> that are

> food grade

>

> as far a s worming goes black walnut is useful to humans and animals

>

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:55:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jgwarren@... writes:

>

> I might have missed something here....

>

> The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and the beer information

> (although very good information)The subject is ' tick repellant

> nontoxic' and the

> beer information (although very good information)<WBR>, doesn't

> mention

> ticks. Is the author saying

>

> Jan

>

> On Mar 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

> (mailto: ) wrote:

>

> > Re: tick repellant nontoxic

> > Posted by: " " _msadams@..._

> (mailto:msadams@...) msadams

> > Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:27 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > This was posted on Silver Pets....

> >

> >

> > been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend

uses the

> *cheap

> > beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the

> ratio is

> on

> > the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have ben hearing that it also travels by birds so you best not feed the

pigeons!

In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:38:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Katenyc5@... writes:

Makes me want to move back to New York City and stay there.

Re: [ ] Re: tick repellant nontoxic

Well, you see, I have no one to do the body check so it's just too

isky. I am

ot willing to suit up like I'm taking a walk on the moon every time

go out.

've decided to be a city dweller and only venture into nature when I am

elatively sure they don't have ticks. Like at high altitudes and in the

editerranean. Then of course, you're dealing with muggers, terrorists,

ears and intolerable heat . . . Of course, there are winter outdoor

ports to enjoy. . .

Until they come up with a vaccine, I am afraid these are my choices.

n Mar 27, 2010, at 9:37 AM, _lizzianthus007@lizzian_

(mailto:lizzianthus007@...) wrote:

> HMM you seem very frustrated , me too I have been infected over 5

times in

the past 4 years , I dress right and un change in cellar with

putting my

clothes in dryer on hot setting for 20 minutes then hubby does the

body check

.....LOL

In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:32:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

_amanno@..._ (mailto:amanno@...) writes:

Best repellant: stay out of the woods, tall grasses, where deer

forage, woodpiles,

away from unprotected pets and the outdoors anywhere on the Eastern

seaboard and wherever

the deer tick may live. That would include northern Europe, the US

midwest, and

where else? Where else is it not safe to go out?

On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, _lizzianthus007@lizzian_

(mailto:lizzianthus007@...) wrote:

> neem is also very useful as it a deter ant for ticks and fleas and

> also an

> antibacterial , you can get it in powdered form at any Indian

> grocery store

> its under 5 dollars an ounce and comes in a small box I want to say

> its in

> leave form too but I cannot read Indian , make a tincture it gets

> pretty

> muddy so stir often then strain thru coffee filters put 1/4 liquid

> to 2

> parts witch hazel , put in sprayer to mist your animals as well as

> help with

> itching and inflammation . you can also add lemon or orange eos

> that are

> food grade

>

> as far a s worming goes black walnut is useful to humans and animals

>

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2010 8:55:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> _jgwarren@roadrunnerjgwa_ (mailto:jgwarren@...) writes:

>

> I might have missed something here....

>

> The subject is ' tick repellant nontoxic' and the beer information

> (although very good information) (although very good inform

> nontoxic' and the

> beer information (although very good information)<WBR>, doesn't

> mention

> ticks. Is the author saying

>

> Jan

>

> On Mar 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, _ @ On Mar 2 On Mar

> (mailto:_ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: ) ) wrote:

>

> > Re: tick repellant nontoxic

> > Posted by: " " __msadamsmsadams (DOT) _ms_

(mailto:_msadams@...) _

> (mailto:_msadams@..._ (mailto:msadams@...) ) msadams

> > Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:27 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > This was posted on Silver Pets....

> >

> >

> > been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. a friend

uses the

> *cheap

> > beer* to worm her dogs.. and has for years.. i forget what the

> ratio is

> on

> > the cheap beer.. as i do not use that.

>

>

[Guest guest]

when I find a tick on me I have to remember to tape it to an index card

with date and location if applicable as I am all over the place with my work

and finding a tick on myself I have to wonder how long its been on me too ,

but the tape and index card is a good way I would think to ID it for study

, any ideas appreciated as I am pulling ticks off dogs right and left !

I have heard of studies in woods catching them for study is there anyway

one could do so to send to whom ever that are in my area Groton mass, and if

there is no study being done I would like to start one in my area

thank you for having me Blessed be Bobbi

In a message dated 3/28/2010 9:12:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

KTOvrutsky@... writes:

Rodents are often the culprit in terms of harboring the infectious

organisms. In California lizards have been infecting the ticks. So even though

the

deer are a factor in the proliferation of the tick population where I was

infected (Westchester County, New York)--spread of the disease is caused

mostly by white-footed mice which have proliferated with the regrowth of the

forest providing lots of acorns for rodents. In Cure Unknown Pamela

Weintraub describes how the change in ecology and growth of rural suburbs

facilitated the spread of Lyme in the Northeast (US). I've heard that Germany,

Austria & Switzerland and Eastern Europe have the most cases in Europe. The

problem is that people can get infected on a trip or vacation, making it

difficult to pinpoint exactly where they picked up the infection(s)

This is an international public health disaster in the making. Until we

get more accurate tests for tick-borne infections I don't see much progress

being made. The level of ignorance about TBD is so high. When

Letterman (talk show host) and Ben Stiller (he and his son recently got Lyme

while

visiting in New England) were discussing how Stiller found out he had it,

Letterman commented, " That's not a problem in California. " Well I hope CALDA

starts inundating the network about his comments because 52 out of 56

counties in California have reported infected ticks.

-----Original Message-----

From: knot_weed <_tek0nik@..._ (mailto:tek0nik@...) >

_ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: )

Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:52 am

Subject: [ ] Re: tick repellant nontoxic

>

> Makes me want to move back to New York City and stay there.

in Netherlands about one in three people get infected with Lyme in their

own garden. And we don't have gardens like in the US suburbs, our gardens

are small plots in the cities without any wildlife (some birds and small

rodents probably, but nothing bigger).

Maybe it is safe in a skyscraper, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bb finds

a transport soon to reach their plentiful targets there as well

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

I think its worm and germ site I get it as I am a subscriber and it is very

interesting ...will put on list to send link as OT ok >>

In a message dated 3/28/2010 10:06:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

amanno@... writes:

Who is “The Worm�

On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:49 AM, knot_weed wrote:

>

>

>

>

> > Until they come up with a vaccine, I am afraid these are my choices.

>

> I'm a biochemist and I would NEVER!! use a Lyme vaccin. DANGEROUS.

>

> I would consider using a general anti-tick vaccine (probably less

> effective, but could be safe). But only if it is coming from

> someone not associated with the Worm and his friends.

>

>

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------------------------------

Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And

Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations:

http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

Links

[Guest guest]

ok this is the link I think you are referring to

_http://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/_ (http://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/)

In a message dated 3/28/2010 10:14:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

lizzianthus007@... writes:

I think its worm and germ site I get it as I am a subscriber and it is very

interesting ...will put on list to send link as OT ok >>

In a message dated 3/28/2010 10:06:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

_amanno@..._ (mailto:amanno@...) writes:

Who is “The Worm�

On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:49 AM, knot_weed wrote:

>

>

>

>

> > Until they come up with a vaccine, I am afraid these are my choices.

>

> I'm a biochemist and I would NEVER!! use a Lyme vaccin. DANGEROUS.

>

> I would consider using a general anti-tick vaccine (probably less

> effective, but could be safe). But only if it is coming from

> someone not associated with the Worm and his friends.

>

>

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------------------------------

Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And

Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations:

_http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d)

Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

>

and wherever

> the deer tick may live. That would include northern Europe, the US

> midwest, and

> where else? Where else is it not safe to go out?

not safe: almost anywhere in the temperate climate zones. Even in Brazil they

now have a 'Lyme simile' disease caused by an Bb species that is not yet

certain. So the best advice is indeed to stay on the tracks, do not go into high

grass, bushes etc.

Don't think for a minute it is safe if there are no deer (or similar animals) in

the area! Bb infection numbers in ticks can be just as high in areas without big

mammals, as they are spread by rodents, birds, hedgehogs or whatever is

available for transport at the location.

[Guest guest]

> Until they come up with a vaccine, I am afraid these are my choices.

I'm a biochemist and I would NEVER!! use a Lyme vaccin. DANGEROUS.

I would consider using a general anti-tick vaccine (probably less effective, but

could be safe). But only if it is coming from someone not associated with the

Worm and his friends.

[Guest guest]

>

> Makes me want to move back to New York City and stay there.

in Netherlands about one in three people get infected with Lyme in their own

garden. And we don't have gardens like in the US suburbs, our gardens are small

plots in the cities without any wildlife (some birds and small rodents probably,

but nothing bigger).

Maybe it is safe in a skyscraper, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bb finds a

transport soon to reach their plentiful targets there as well

[Guest guest]

>

> I have ben hearing that it also travels by birds so you best not feed the

> pigeons!

definitely, although most of the bird ticks will not feed on humans. But these

other ticks carry Bb and coinfections just the same, and most of the deer/sheep

etc. occasionally feed on the same animals, spreading the infection (that is

probably how the Bb species can spread so fast, even across the oceans).

[Guest guest]

We are so screwed-- meaning the human race. I always thought since we

have no

more large predators, the micro organisms are going to reduce our

numbers, and

maybe we'll learn how to live in harmony with the Earth once again.

On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:59 AM, knot_weed wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > I have ben hearing that it also travels by birds so you best not

> feed the

> > pigeons!

>

> definitely, although most of the bird ticks will not feed on

> humans. But these other ticks carry Bb and coinfections just the

> same, and most of the deer/sheep etc. occasionally feed on the same

> animals, spreading the infection (that is probably how the Bb

> species can spread so fast, even across the oceans).

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rodents are often the culprit in terms of harboring the infectious organisms.

In California lizards have been infecting the ticks. So even though the deer

are a factor in the proliferation of the tick population where I was infected

(Westchester County, New York)--spread of the disease is caused mostly by

white-footed mice which have proliferated with the regrowth of the forest

providing lots of acorns for rodents. In Cure Unknown Pamela Weintraub

describes how the change in ecology and growth of rural suburbs facilitated the

spread of Lyme in the Northeast (US). I've heard that Germany, Austria &

Switzerland and Eastern Europe have the most cases in Europe. The problem is

that people can get infected on a trip or vacation, making it difficult to

pinpoint exactly where they picked up the infection(s).

This is an international public health disaster in the making. Until we get

more accurate tests for tick-borne infections I don't see much progress being

made. The level of ignorance about TBD is so high. When Letterman (talk

show host) and Ben Stiller (he and his son recently got Lyme while visiting in

New England) were discussing how Stiller found out he had it, Letterman

commented, " That's not a problem in California. " Well I hope CALDA starts

inundating the network about his comments because 52 out of 56 counties in

California have reported infected ticks.

[ ] Re: tick repellant nontoxic

>

> Makes me want to move back to New York City and stay there.

in Netherlands about one in three people get infected with Lyme in their own

garden. And we don't have gardens like in the US suburbs, our gardens are small

plots in the cities without any wildlife (some birds and small rodents probably,

but nothing bigger).

Maybe it is safe in a skyscraper, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bb finds a

transport soon to reach their plentiful targets there as well

[Guest guest]

Who is “The Worm”?

On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:49 AM, knot_weed wrote:

>

>

>

>

> > Until they come up with a vaccine, I am afraid these are my choices.

>

> I'm a biochemist and I would NEVER!! use a Lyme vaccin. DANGEROUS.

>

> I would consider using a general anti-tick vaccine (probably less

> effective, but could be safe). But only if it is coming from

> someone not associated with the Worm and his friends.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> We are so screwed-- meaning the human race. I always thought since we

> have no

> more large predators, the micro organisms are going to reduce our

> numbers, and

> maybe we'll learn how to live in harmony with the Earth once again.

yes, studies in some EU countries show that - contrary to what is often said in

US publications - having deer and other 'large grazing animals' in the

neigborhood will REDUCE the risk for humans of getting bitten by a tick and

getting lyme disease. If there are no deer, sheep, cattle etc. the ticks will

choose humans or their pets.

Shooting deer as a preventive measure against Lyme disease is only effective in

stricly isolated places like small islands. In most situations it will make

things worse, usually with a 2-3 year lag though - so sometimes it seems to be

effective the next year.