how long to feel some improvement?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've been building up the core protocol for over a month now, and

here's where I'm at:

Andro 3 tabs 3x day

JK (source naturals resveratrol) 2tabs 3x day

Cat's Claw 2 caps 3x day

I also take some sarsparilla 1 cap 3x day

and red root tincture, and milk thistle

I am feeling just awful, and seem to be getting steadily worse. Aside

from a big depression-style herx near the beginning, it has just been

steadily awful. I get weaker and more lethargic and foggy, gone back

to not working at all the past couple weeks, and there seems to be no

light at the end of the tunnel.

What I'd like to know, is when can someone expect to begin feeling ANY

BETTER on this protocol? I hear people talking about staying on

amounts of the herbs at about what i am taking, for months and years

on end. If i had to do that, and it keeps making me feel the way i do

now, I can kiss my life good-bye.

I was not well when i began the protocol, but i just feel worse and

worse. I need to know there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

Buhner talks about starting to feel better in about three weeks, but

there is no sign of that happening for me. I don't even know whether

how bad i feel comes from the herbs or the Lyme or something else at

this point. How can I tell?

Can anyone give me any helpful information based upon their

experience? How long did it take you to start to feel a turn-around?

Were you dealing with adrenal problems?

Are there people who just can't take the effects of these herbs, and

don't get better on them? Then what?

thanks for any help,

NJ

[Guest guest]

Dear NJ,

Sorry to hear you are not doing well.---

I can offer some comments about my experience, altho everyone is

different.

I started feeling better almost immediately. (weeks). My maximum was 4

of each of the core protocol 3 times a day.

It took 3 months til I could feel an appreciable difference, and then

I would say another 3 til I felt absolutely well.

I know some people stay on the herbs for much longer.

Since you say you are feeling worse, I wonder if you have considered

treatment by a doctor or a naturalpath who is familiar with herbs?

There are some natural practitioners out there who are familiar with

Buhner's protocol, if you want to continue with that. Also at Planet

Thrive [http://planetthrive.com/] you can ask Buhner a

question directly. Also he (Buhner) has - or at least he used to have

- an herbologist who works with him and with people directly

one-on-one via phone I believe (for a fee).

It sounds to me that you need some more input from the experts. I was

lucky. It worked for me. But if it is not working, perhaps more help

is needed. It's tough to go on your own.

I'm truly hoping you find some way to lick this disease. Don't give

up. There is a way. You will find it.

Ellen

> What I'd like to know, is when can someone expect to begin feeling ANY

> BETTER on this protocol? I hear people talking about staying on

> amounts of the herbs at about what i am taking, for months and years

> on end. If i had to do that, and it keeps making me feel the way i do

> now, I can kiss my life good-bye.

>

[Guest guest]

Ellen, i appreciate your comments. But you say:

> I started feeling better almost immediately.

>

and thenyou say:

> It took 3 months til I could feel an appreciable difference

This seems a contradiction to me. How can you start feeling better

almost immediately, and still take 3 months to feel an appreciable

difference?

I don't understand what you mean, could you please explain?

thanks agian,

NJ

[Guest guest]

Yes, I can see where that sounds contradictory!

What I mean is, that in a matter of weeks on the Buhner protocol

(which I call immediate) I could see improvement, enough to know that

things were getting better, whether it was in my energy level, in my

walking ability.

It was slow and gradual but I could see improvement. After 3 months, I

was walking un-assisted by cane and for a longer distance, and my

headaches were gone, so that is when I date some real difference from.

Hope that helps explain.

I should add [don't remember if I said this before]- after 3 months I

stopped Buhner's herbs to see how I would feel, and the pain in my

knee/leg started coming back, so I started taking Esberitox ( a

super-charged form of Echinacae). I took that for another 3 weeks, and

after that I was ok.

I understand from being on this group that my experience may not be

typical.

Wishing you well,

ellen

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with those who suggested you consult with an herbalist and/or

Buhner--just as we all may have various food intolerances we can as well have

problems with herbs and meds etc--it MAY be that one or a few of the herbs arent

" right " for you...or that you need to stick with it longer due to a larger

bacterial load

also an herbalist/ LLMD and or natural meds dr can adjust your nutritional

status, correct for deficiencies which make healing harder if not impossible and

maybe give you additional things to help individual sx..so its more bearable

anytime things get steadily worse its better to have a professional consulting

with you--even if its a long " herx " etc--the body may need other supportive

measures.not always is dabbling on ones own safe or recommended--herbs ARE

medicines, maybe gentler or more easily handled by the body but nonetheless have

to be respected as MEDICINES--if any medicine made you feel that way youd

hopefully consult with a professional!

once youre familiar with how you react, and the patterns of your sx, then you

can go it alone more often!!

good luck

Finette

[Guest guest]

Thanks Finette and everybody, some good things you say. But I AM

working with a LLMD who knows the Buhner protocol. So i'm not going it

alone, as several people are saying -- thought for sure i mentioned

that. I'm taking many supplements too. Wish he could make it better,

but unfortunately that's not happening.