Vitamin C

[Guest guest]

Dear Harriet:

> Standard Process are " USUALLY " only available through

distributors, my

> chiropractor sells them.

----That's what I thought. I took some standared process some years

ago and it was that way then. Just didn't know if it was still the

same. I have a chiropractor that I think sells them. Anyway, what

are the ingredients listed on the Vit C bottle? Is it Rosehips,

hesperidin and rutin?

>

> Any good health food store should be able to steer you towards

types of

> vitamins that use acerola cherry as a source of vitamin c.

---I must not have any " good HFSs " because they just look at me with

this weird look on their face when I ask for it!LOL

If worst comes to

> worst, choose your favorite online vitamin source and plug acerola

cherry into

> their search.

---That was going to be my next step but I thought that there would

be people here that already figured this out since it it a big part

of the candida diet.

> If you need the names of some good companies feel free to shout

----Sure, which ones do you like??

Thanks,

Del

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

However, papaya is a fruit, and other than lemons and limes, they are

not allowed on the candida diet. But broccoli is an excellent source

and is allowed.

The best,

Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Jeanne,

Taking it with food helps, otherwise it can be hard on the stomach,

but also it could be part of the healing process.

Luv,

Bee

> Every time I take vitamin C lately, it causes me lots

> of gastric distress and my stomach swells up. What

> could be the cause? Thanks, jne

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/27/2005 2:24:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

suzt77@... writes:

Anyone have any recommendation as to how much vitamin C would be a

good supplemental dose to be taking?

Thanks

Sue

Hey Sue,

Go the vitamincfoundation.org for information on Vit. C.

Mark

[Guest guest]

A 1000 milligrams a day. It is best to take it 3 or 4 times a day, instead

of one large dose.

Re: vitamin C

>

> In a message dated 4/27/2005 2:24:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> suzt77@... writes:

>

> Anyone have any recommendation as to how much vitamin C would be a

> good supplemental dose to be taking?

>

> Thanks

>

> Sue

>

>

>

> Hey Sue,

>

> Go the vitamincfoundation.org for information on Vit. C.

>

> Mark

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can actually take much more vit c than 1000 milligrams a day. You can

take as much at 1000 milligrams an hour, or until you reach bowel intolerance,

then you can reduce the dosage. When I was catching a cold, I took up too

4000 milligrams every 20 minutes for two hours. It substantially reduced my

cold symptom, as well as improved the texture of my skin. (I used to have

redness and flakiness around my nose.) Anyway, again, check out

vitamincfoundation.org. There's a lot of information there.

[Guest guest]

I don't know who it was in this group that told me to take the vitamin C

about 10-15 minutes before meals, but I want to thank that person because

it's working. I was previously getting all kinds of digestive problems,

upset stomach, acid reflux/heartburn when I took the C with meals. That

isn't happening anymore taking it before meals.

Someone else told me not to take it with B vitamins too. That may have

been a problem tho I stopped taking the B & still was having problems with

the C with meals. I don't why, but before meals it works. I am SO thankful I

can take my buffered C w/bioflavanoids again because I need it badly.

Thanx muchly & blessings,

Caroline

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris

Synthetic vitamins are drugs like any other pharmaceuticals. And just

like any drugs they have their place in life-and-death situations and

for people with serious health problems . Extremely high doses of Vit C

have stopped people dying. High doses of vit B have cured

schizophrenics/people with mental illness and so on...(if you want to

do more research in this, look up orthomolecular medicine)

I am sure you've come accross ing, Hoffer and Hoffman's work in

your research. ing took 14g of Vit C daily and lived into his 90s

(he did die of cancer though, but you have to die of something).

This issue was raised on a WAP forum recently and the resident Doc said

that synthetic vitamins just push biological pathways, where as food-

based vitamins actually nourish.

I can't say categorically that they prevent wellness, but taken for a

long enough time they will create an imballance in the body, which may

lead to illness.

Personally I only use synthetic vitamins in emergencies, eg when dog

got poisoned, or child stung by an insect etc.

Otherwise all my vit C comes from food: green veggies, sauerkraut,

lemon, meats etc.

If you're in US I think Standard Process make Acerola Cherry Vit C, and

I believe this is the only food-based vit C around. We're not so lucky

here in Australia, there is only synthetic stuff

hope this clarifies things

Irene

> I recently read that vitamin C in ascorbic acid form may actually

> prevent wellness.

>

> " the point i am trying to make about synthetic vitamin c is that by

> supressing the symptoms it suppress healing, rather than supporting

> healing which may involve a worsening of the symptoms for a period of

> time. "

>

> Can anyone shred light on whether there's truth to this. I'm looking

> for a uality, affordable source of vitamin C and the more I research,

> the more frustrated I get.

>

> TIA

[Guest guest]

I know I cannot take C as ascorbic acid or anything made of ascorbate. I get

horrible symptoms every time. I have to have buffered non-ascorbate. And

even having digestive trouble with that for the past year. I've tried all

the forms & brands of C & don't know what to do next. Taking the buffered C

10-15 minutes before meals seems to work better tho.

Good luck with your search.

Caroline

From: " marychrisw "

>I recently read that vitamin C in ascorbic acid form may actually prevent

>wellness.

[Guest guest]

I'm thinking because of ingesting so much C with the high amounts of lemon

juice, greens, liver & such, that's why when I started taking C before meals

once again after a year without much of it, I started having loose bowels

immediately. I may be getting too much C now. I'm also taking extra

magnesium 'tween meals & the extra salt seems to cause the same bowel

problems. So it's maybe a combination of all these but resuming the C really

made it a lot worse. I may cut back on it now.

It talked to ing a few years before he died. He was still taking C as

was his wife who died a few years previously. He was lonely & missed her, he

admitted. We all die of something. He may have stopped taking C, other

supplements & doing other healthy things to hasten his own death. Many

people do that.

Sounds like herbs (food-based) are a better, more natural bet. Rose hips

is an herb actually. Hisperidin & rutin, etc. are bioflavanoids one gets in

the pulp & skin of citrus fruits.

Caroline

From: " isprey "

> Synthetic vitamins are drugs like any other pharmaceuticals. And just like

> any drugs they have their place in life-and-death situations and

> for people with serious health problems .> This issue was raised on a WAP

> forum recently and the resident Doc said that synthetic vitamins just push

> biological pathways, where as food-based vitamins actually

> nourish.....taken for a long enough time they will create an imballance in

> the body, which may

> lead to illness.

[Guest guest]

chris wrote:

> I recently read that vitamin C in ascorbic acid form may actually

> prevent wellness. " the point i am trying to make about synthetic

vitamin c is that by supressing the symptoms it suppress healing,

rather than supporting healing which may involve a worsening of the

symptoms for a period of time. " Can anyone shred light on whether

there's truth to this. I'm looking for a uality, affordable source of

vitamin C and the more I research, the more frustrated I get.

==> I recommend a vitamin C supplement that includes ascorbic

acid; this is from my article: Vitamin C, containing rosehips, citrus

bioflavonoids, hesperidin and rutin. Take 1,000 mgs twice a day.

==>Vitamin C is not just ascorbic acid, and no supplement can

perfectly duplicate all of the elements that make up a " true "

or " whole " vitamin C like food sources can.

==>I believe supplements " can " suppress symptoms to some degree, but

they do not suppress them as severely as drugs do, nor in the same

way drugs do. That's why I recommend only 1,000 mgs per day (taken

in two or more doses) on a regular basis. All of the supplement

amounts I recommend are at doses that will not suppress symptoms

significantly but still provide necessary nutrients to boost the

immune system. " More is not better, " except when you get very very

sick and need megadoses for awhile to assist your body.

==>Unfortunately most candida sufferers are malnourished so they

require the help from basic supplements I recommend.

I hope that helps,

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike

What Vit C are you reordering? I have checked the website and there

were many sources (the link didn't work, so i couldn't go directly to

your source)

Thanks

> I'm about to re-order on my Vitamin C and wanted the group along

with Bee's

> recomendation on one.

> http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

Screen=CTGY & C

> ategory_Code=VITC

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, they have quite a selection and I'm thinking rosehip although they

have the berry selection too for Vitamin C but you might get carbs too I

think. The link is long, that's why it came into two seperate lines that

have to be put back together.

http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY & C

ategory_Code=VITC

[ ] Re: Vitamin C

Hi Mike

What Vit C are you reordering? I have checked the website and there

were many sources (the link didn't work, so i couldn't go directly to

your source)

Thanks

> I'm about to re-order on my Vitamin C and wanted the group along

with Bee's

> recomendation on one.

> http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

Screen=CTGY & C

> ategory_Code=VITC

[Guest guest]

Do you know how much vitamin C is in Rosehips? I like to know how much I am

taking so I would probably buy the buffered ascorbic acid powder. I know that

rosehips are popular but I couldn't find anything that gave the amount of

Vitamin C. I have seen Vitamin C with rosehips in the stores so I presume that

it is not as high in V-C as the ascorbic acid.

I personally take 1000 mg. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) daily and am a little leary

about eating rosehips because they contain a lot of other things that I know

nothing about.

I have rose bushes but would hesitate to eat the rosehips, not knowing how much

I should eat to get my daily amount of Vitamin C.

Ora

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:40:29 -0600, " Mike " <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

>I'm about to re-order on my Vitamin C and wanted the group along with Bee's

>recomendation on one.

>http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY & C

>ategory_Code=VITC

>

>Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm about to re-order on my Vitamin C and wanted the group along

with Bee's

> recomendation on one.

> http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

Screen=CTGY & C

> ategory_Code=VITC

==>Hi Mike. Actually acerola contains the highest amount of vitamin

C. Rosehips contain 10 times the amount in oranges. It is listed as

a Superfood at Weston A. Price as follows:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/superfoods.html

Acerola Tablets: A berry rich in ascorbic acid, acerola provides

vitamin C with numerous cofactors, including bioflavonoids and rutin,

to optimize the body's uptake and use of ascorbic acid. Vitamin C,

the most important dietary antioxidant, was popularized by Linus

ing who recommends taking pure ascorbic acid in amounts up to 15

grams a day for a variety of ailments. But large quantities of

vitamin C may be harmful to the kidneys and can lead to deficiencies

in bioflavonoids. Only small quantities of natural vitamin C in the

form of acerola tablets can provide the same protection as large

amounts of pure ascorbic acid, without the side effects.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Do you know how much vitamin C is in Rosehips? I like to know how

much I am> taking so I would probably buy the buffered ascorbic acid

powder. I know that> rosehips are popular but I couldn't find

anything that gave the amount of> Vitamin C. I have seen Vitamin C

with rosehips in the stores so I presume that> it is not as high in V-

C as the ascorbic acid.

>

> I personally take 1000 mg. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) daily and am a

little leary> about eating rosehips because they contain a lot of

other things that I know> nothing about.

==>There are a lot of good nutrients contained in rosehips, as well

as acerola cherry powders. They are both available at Wilderness

Naturals and they are the best way to get vitamin C because they do

contain all of the other elements of vitamin C, except

bioflavonoids. Ascorbic acid is an incomplete vitamin C. A better

form of vitamin C is called " ascorbate acid " , which I just learned

about it. If you take ascorbate acid you must be eating plenty of

greens to obtain the other forms of vitamin C.

>

> I have rose bushes but would hesitate to eat the rosehips, not

knowing how much I should eat to get my daily amount of Vitamin C.

==>Rosehips are extremely bitter, but you can make tea from them, if

they have not been treated with any pesticides.

The following amounts are based on 100 gram quantities:

From: http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_food_guide_fruit_vitamin_c.htm

and also:

http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-

phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data4i.html

Acerola cherry 1,677 mg

Rosehip 1,150 - 2,500 mg depending upon the variety

Tomato, raw 120 mg

Broccoli, boiled 100 mg

Spinach, boiled 60 mg

Orange 53 mg

Lemon juice 46 mg

Meats contains vitamin C too:

Beefburger, fried 60 mg

Chicken livers, fried 130 mg

Lamb chops, grilled 120 mg

Chicken, roast 130 mg

Pork chop, grilled 100 mg

Turkey, roast 120 mg

There's about 4 mgs of vitamin C in a small apple which has the

bioequivalency of 1,500 mg from a supplement. I don't have

comparable facts on meats and vegetables, but it would be similar

because whole foods contain all the co-factors of vitamin C, not just

ascorbic acid, as well as other vitamins and minerals.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I thank everyone who sent help to me about ear infections. I am

doing better, up to 13,000 mg. of c so far today, yet no diarrhea. Is

this normal? I also have used CO in my ears and nose today. The

hydrogen peroxide protocol I have been using since yesterday. What

happens if I don't have diarrhea? Also, the amount of c that I work

up to, am I supposed to have that amount every day, even when I am

not sick?

==>Dear Joyce, the fact that you haven't gotten loose stools from

taking that much vitamin C means your body needs it so you can use

more. After you are feeling better you do not need to continue on

that amount. That level is different for every person.

==>I found out you can also mix baking soda and ascorbic acid in

equal amounts in clean water and use it in your nose - your body

absorbs the vitamin C better through your nose and it helps your nose

and sinuses. Great huh?

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee, I took your advice for taking more c for sinus pain. I took 15

grams last tuesday with no bowel problems. I took another 4 the next

morning and ended up with a four day migraine that enemas cannot

correct. I have learned my lesson to ease into this! I am extremely

sensitive to almost anything anyway but thought I would do okay with

the c.

==>A Migraine created by vitamin C alone would be healing reactions

that are obviously needed.

> If I put co into my nose for sinus bleeding, would that be a good

idea? I cannot use a humidifier because the motor in it causes me to

have headaches, electrical problems. Just trying to get rid of this

pain and bleeding.

==>Yes, coconut oil in your nose would be good. Boil water on the

stove to get more moisture, or run the shower hot and allow the steam

to fill up the room (don't burn yourself turning off the taps), and

sit in it for 15-20 minutes. Put wet heat compresses over your

sinuses. Sniff the oil of oregano bottle frequently to get the fumes

into your nose and sinuses. Continue with vitamin C, because it is

obviously working.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Sue wrote:

>

> Bee is it possible that the vitamin C with riboflavens i began

taking yesterday can upset my upper stomach?

==>I believe you mean bioflavonoids, not riboflavens. You should be

taking supplements with full meals including protein, fats and carbs

to minimize your stomach's reaction.

> My stomach was terrible today yesterday, which is when i began the

new vitamin c. I also increased my coconut oil and ate raw broccoli

so im not sure if it was any of those three or the new vit's.

==>I believe you've been advised to not eat any raw vegetables while

your stomach is so sensitive. You also changed two things at the

same time, i.e. starting vitamin c, and increasing your coconut oil.

You will do better making one change at a time. You may need to stay

on a dose of coconut oil much longer before increasing it because of

your stomach reactions.

==>You should do this special treatment, recommended in my article:

Treatment for severe die-off and healing symptoms, and digestive

problems, try this mild treatment. While doing this treatment do not

take any supplements, antifungals, or probiotics. Your die-off

symptoms will be much less after this treatment.

Day One - Consume plenty of clear, salted meat and vegetable broth

(salted with an ocean sea salt like Celtic). Do not eat any solid

foods. Take two enemas each day of clear, room temperature warm

purified water only. These help to physically remove a substantial

amount of yeast present in the large colon.

Day Two - Add solid foods; they should be only protein, fats and low

carbohydrate vegetables. Cook and highly puree all foods in a

blender to maximize absorption, thus minimizing the food residue in

the intestines. Take two enemas each day as described in Day One

above.

Day Three – Eat cooked pureed foods as described in Day Two above,

and gradually add more and more solid foods each day over the next

five days until you are completely back on a solid food diet, however

do not eat any raw vegetables.

Day Six - You start adding any supplements, antifungals and

probiotics you were taking prior to this treatment.

> I was reading the files a lot the past 2 days, that's what i do

when im not feeling well...just read and read and i have to say that

you have sooo much info here that you should really consider putting

this into action in the form of a book, but then again maybe not

because you wouldnt have time for us and we all need you tremendously.

==>Thanks for the support and encouragement.

>

> for all that you do, i'd like to thank you....

>

You are welcome indeedy dear Sue.

Hugs, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I was talking to a friend about Vitamin C. He said he is unable to

> take vitamin C as his lips crack when he takes it. Can any one

> explain this. Would they still crack if he administered it nasally?

> Because of the acidic nature of vitamin c is it possible to cause

> damage to the nasal cavaties administering it this way? Thank you

> Pat Brogan

Lips cracking are a healing symptom. It might help if he administered

it nasally for sure. Also nasally increase absorption by 1,000 percent

over taking it orally.

Cheers, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I was looking at your supplements file to find out what kind of

> vitamin C to buy. I was wondering, why do you recommend that we

take sodium ascorbate in particular?

>

> I was wondering because I found I vitamin C powder with the C in

the calcium ascorbate form and including all the bioflavinoids etc

>

> http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=RLT-10332

>

> Is it a bad idea to take the vitamin C as in the calcium form?

>

> i was thinking if I took 4000mg a day of this product, this would

> cover 400mg of my calcium requirement and save on that!

==>, this product is loaded with sugar from all of the fruits so

I wouldn't recommend it.

Bee

>

[Guest guest]

==>Hi . Welcome to our group.

>

> Over the last month or so, i have slowly transitioned to being

almost entirely on the diet. I am having difficulty in one area

though: I have tried a couple of times to add a Vitamin C supplement

and I just can't stomach it. I've determined it is the baking soda

because i've tried mixing it with other drinks and i feel like

gagging each time. I used to take Sodium Ascorbate and could stomach

that alright.

==>Sodium ascorbate " is " ascorbic acid crystals (vitamin C) mixed in

equal amounts with baking soda, so I do not understand what vitamin C

is causing the problem.

>Right now I am eating about a cup of sauerkraut a day and other

lacto-fermented veggies, hoping to get my Vitamin C in this way. Is

it possible to get enough Vitamin C through food like sauerkraut? If

not, any suggestions on a different supplement form or a way around

baking soda(blech)?

==>Yes, I believe you can get enough vitamin C with lacto-fermented

veggies! Good plan!

Bee

[Guest guest]

Have you checked what the vit c is made from? some times it is made

from petroleum, manytimes corn, I cannot tolerate most vit c's you

have to look for one from a different source other than these. If it

doesn't say it is most likely petroleum

>

> ==>Hi . Welcome to our group.

> >

> > Over the last month or so, i have slowly transitioned to being

> almost entirely on the diet. I am having difficulty in one area

> though: I have tried a couple of times to add a Vitamin C

supplement

> and I just can't stomach it. I've determined it is the baking soda

> because i've tried mixing it with other drinks and i feel like

> gagging each time. I used to take Sodium Ascorbate and could

stomach

> that alright.

>

> ==>Sodium ascorbate " is " ascorbic acid crystals (vitamin C) mixed

in

> equal amounts with baking soda, so I do not understand what vitamin

C

> is causing the problem.

>

> >Right now I am eating about a cup of sauerkraut a day and other

> lacto-fermented veggies, hoping to get my Vitamin C in this way.

Is

> it possible to get enough Vitamin C through food like sauerkraut?

If

> not, any suggestions on a different supplement form or a way around

> baking soda(blech)?

>

> ==>Yes, I believe you can get enough vitamin C with lacto-fermented

> veggies! Good plan!

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ==>Hi . Welcome to our group.

>

> Thank you for having this group.

> ==>Sodium ascorbate " is " ascorbic acid crystals (vitamin C) mixed in

> equal amounts with baking soda, so I do not understand what vitamin C

> is causing the problem.

>

>

>>The sodium ascorbate i used to take was store-bought which i think

was just sodium and ascorbic acid mixed. I actually enjoyed taking

this form (I think it was because i was severely lacking good salt at

the time) but then i stopped when i heard it wasn't the best way to get

Vitamin C. It's recently when i've tried the ascorbic acid crystals

with baking soda that i feel like gagging.

> ==>Yes, I believe you can get enough vitamin C with lacto-fermented

> veggies! Good plan!

>

> That is what my body seemed to be telling me and i love lacto-

fermented veggies.

On a side-note: I just had a yummy dinner of cooked spaghetti squash

smothered in butter with a side of two hard-boiled eggs and half a

tomato, all heavily salted. At times on this diet it is easy to feel

somewhat deprived but there are times, like tonight, where i'm really

enjoying myself. Thank you so much Bee.

>

[Guest guest]

>The sodium ascorbate i used to take was store-bought which i think

> was just sodium and ascorbic acid mixed. I actually enjoyed taking

> this form (I think it was because i was severely lacking good salt

at the time) but then i stopped when i heard it wasn't the best way

to get Vitamin C. It's recently when i've tried the ascorbic acid

crystals with baking soda that i feel like gagging.

==>Store-bought sodium ascorbate does not contain salt; it is

ascorbic acid and baking soda combined. The reason it may have been

okay is because they could have mixed less baking soda in it than my

recipe calls for.

> On a side-note: I just had a yummy dinner of cooked spaghetti

squash smothered in butter with a side of two hard-boiled eggs and

half a tomato, all heavily salted. At times on this diet it is easy

to feel somewhat deprived but there are times, like tonight, where

i'm really enjoying myself. Thank you so much Bee.

==>That's wonderful ! It sound yummy. You can trully enjoy

your foods on this program, with a little planning and ingenuity. And

your body will thank you immensely.

Cheers, Bee