which brands of artemisinin/artemesia do you like best?

[Guest guest]

I have tried Dr. Zhang's artemesia and Allergy Research Group's artemisinin. I

used Dr. Zhang's successfully for 6 months, but am now getting bladder

challenges with it. I've recently tried Allergy Research Group's but am have

dosing problems finding the right amount. I either don't kill or way overkill

with too much pro-oxidative stress.

Has anyone had success with other brands? What is your favorite?

[Guest guest]

Would  you share what the bladder problems are. I have tried both and prefer the

Zhang as I am getting less ear pain. I have only been on Zhang  a month. On Dr.

Schaller's suggestion I do one week on and one off using cryptolepsis on the off

week. Doug

From: lyme2health <lyme2health@...>

Subject: [ ] which brands of artemisinin/artemesia do you like

best?

Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:28 PM

 

I have tried Dr. Zhang's artemesia and Allergy Research

Group's artemisinin. I used Dr. Zhang's successfully for 6 months, but am now

getting bladder challenges with it. I've recently tried Allergy Research

Group's but am have dosing problems finding the right amount. I either don't

kill or way overkill with too much pro-oxidative stress.

Has anyone had success with other brands? What is your favorite?

[Guest guest]

I use the Pure Encapsulations brand. It is standardized.

Two questions if I may:

Wondering what type of bladder challenges. I didn't know that was a

possible side effect, and I've had some changes.

Also, how do you know you are getting pro-oxidative stress--it's interesting

to me that you can monitor this. I've been taking this stuff almost a year,

and I'm pretty sure the Babs is still there.

Carol

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I have tried Dr. Zhang's artemesia and Allergy Research Group's artemisinin.

I used Dr. Zhang's successfully for 6 months, but am now getting bladder

challenges with it. I've recently tried Allergy Research Group's but am have

dosing problems finding the right amount. I either don't kill or way

overkill with too much pro-oxidative stress.

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[Guest guest]

I think babs is still in me too. Didn't mean to lead you to believe otherwise.

However I also feel I damage brain tissue. From 1-2 hours after I take art, I

get a die off rxn. Then not much happens (did they reincyst? the dose decreases

below killing level?). Then about 3-4 hours after dose, my brain tissues get

very sensitive. It feels like being hit by extra bullets like Dr. Schaller

describes in his Babesia book when discussing pro-oxidative stress of artemesia.

>

>

> Also, how do you know you are getting pro-oxidative stress--it's interesting

> to me that you can monitor this. I've been taking this stuff almost a year,

> and I'm pretty sure the Babs is still there.

>

>

> Carol

[Guest guest]

I have Interstitial Cystitis so I already have bladder issues. I have Dr.

Zhang's Artemisiae but am now afraid to try, has anyone else tried with IC?

What brands are bladder friendly if you have IC?

> >

> >

> > Also, how do you know you are getting pro-oxidative stress--it's interesting

> > to me that you can monitor this. I've been taking this stuff almost a year,

> > and I'm pretty sure the Babs is still there.

> >

> >

> > Carol

>

[Guest guest]

IC is the one thing DMSO is FDA approved for. Have you tried that?

> [ ] Re: which brands of

> artemisinin/artemesia do you like best?

>

> I have Interstitial Cystitis so I already have bladder

> issues. I have Dr. Zhang's Artemisiae but am now afraid to

> try, has anyone else tried with IC? What brands are bladder

> friendly if you have IC?

>

[Guest guest]

As far as artemisia goes, there are two plants, artemisia annua and

artemisia absinthium, and the annua is far less toxic to the system. I

have

read on other Lyme groups that artemisia annua taken along with GSE,

(grapefruit seed extract), and cod liver oil can effectively keep the

pleomorphic spirochetes such as borrelia and bartonella at bay. The

GSE works to dissolve the biofilms surrounding stage 3 spiros, the

artemisia annua kills the exposed spiros, and the cod liver oil holds both

in the blood stream longer so they can attack the spiros more effeciently.

NutriBiotic, the maker of GSE, has a wonderful capsule, High Potency

Capsules Plus, which contains 125 mg grapefruit seed extract, 200 mg

artemisia annua, and 200 mg echinacea angustifolia root -- a capsule

seemingly made to order for spirochetal infestations. My daughter has

neuroborreliosis and bartonella, and I have been giving her the GSE

capsules and cod liver oil capsules (Carlson's Super 1000 mg) for close

to a year, and she has tolerated them without side effects. She is 17, and

weighs around 135, so I give her one GSE capsule and one cod liver oil

capsule in her morning handful of supplements, and her symptoms are all

but alleviated. When she misses two dosages in a row, her symptoms

return, especially the long stretch marks with bright red tips that are the

" handiwork " of bartonella spiros.

Those are just my observations, and I'm far from being an expert on

remedies, so take my opinions for what they're worth. I had to find

something to keep her out of the hospital, and after two courses of

doxycycline, we finally figured out that she was highly sensitive to it and

having severe cerebral hypertension, a common side effect, which causes

bone crushing headaches, swelling of the brain and facial tissues,

dizziness,

dyslexia, and vision problems. No more of THAT poison for her!!

Another thing I've noticed is an increase in neurological symptoms during

a full moon and a new moon. I've heard that parasites and mycoplasmas

go through reproductive cycles, and this seems to correlate with the phases

of the moon. Sure enough, Katelynn will have swelling, itching, and chills

when one of the cycles hits, and I increase her GSE capsule dosage to 2

in the morning during that time. I also give her Black Seed Oil capsules,

one in the a.m. and one in the p.m. They are known as the " cure for

everything but death " in the cultures that hold black cumin seeds and the

oil as remedies from the gods. I take them, and so does my husband, and

all of us have kept the flu at bay when everyone else we know gets it.

So that's what experience I have with artemisia, along with the other

herbs and oils I mentioned. Hope that helps someone to decide whether

or not to take any of the above.

With blessings,

Molly in Texas

[Guest guest]

MollyG,

Great info...........

Jay

[ ] Re: which brands of artemisinin/artemesia do you like

best?

As far as artemisia goes, there are two plants, artemisia annua and

artemisia absinthium, and the annua is far less toxic to the system. I

have

read on other Lyme groups that artemisia annua taken along with GSE,

(grapefruit seed extract), and cod liver oil can effectively keep the

pleomorphic spirochetes such as borrelia and bartonella at bay. The

GSE works to dissolve the biofilms surrounding stage 3 spiros, the

artemisia annua kills the exposed spiros, and the cod liver oil holds both

in the blood stream longer so they can attack the spiros more effeciently.

NutriBiotic, the maker of GSE, has a wonderful capsule, High Potency

Capsules Plus, which contains 125 mg grapefruit seed extract, 200 mg

artemisia annua, and 200 mg echinacea angustifolia root -- a capsule

seemingly made to order for spirochetal infestations. My daughter has

neuroborreliosis and bartonella, and I have been giving her the GSE

capsules and cod liver oil capsules (Carlson's Super 1000 mg) for close

to a year, and she has tolerated them without side effects. She is 17, and

weighs around 135, so I give her one GSE capsule and one cod liver oil

capsule in her morning handful of supplements, and her symptoms are all

but alleviated. When she misses two dosages in a row, her symptoms

return, especially the long stretch marks with bright red tips that are the

" handiwork " of bartonella spiros.

Those are just my observations, and I'm far from being an expert on

remedies, so take my opinions for what they're worth. I had to find

something to keep her out of the hospital, and after two courses of

doxycycline, we finally figured out that she was highly sensitive to it and

having severe cerebral hypertension, a common side effect, which causes

bone crushing headaches, swelling of the brain and facial tissues,

dizziness,

dyslexia, and vision problems. No more of THAT poison for her!!

Another thing I've noticed is an increase in neurological symptoms during

a full moon and a new moon. I've heard that parasites and mycoplasmas

go through reproductive cycles, and this seems to correlate with the phases

of the moon. Sure enough, Katelynn will have swelling, itching, and chills

when one of the cycles hits, and I increase her GSE capsule dosage to 2

in the morning during that time. I also give her Black Seed Oil capsules,

one in the a.m. and one in the p.m. They are known as the " cure for

everything but death " in the cultures that hold black cumin seeds and the

oil as remedies from the gods. I take them, and so does my husband, and

all of us have kept the flu at bay when everyone else we know gets it.

So that's what experience I have with artemisia, along with the other

herbs and oils I mentioned. Hope that helps someone to decide whether

or not to take any of the above.

With blessings,

Molly in Texas

[Guest guest]

In addition to artemesinin (Holly) I use Boneset, grapefruit seed extract (by

Nutribiotics) and 2 prescription meds, roxithromycin and Mepron. There is no

evidence to support grapefruit seed extract for babesia, but I'm using for Lyme

and it seems to hit me really hard, and I feel like babs is getting better as

well.

>

> I have tried Dr. Zhang's artemesia and Allergy Research Group's artemisinin.

I used Dr. Zhang's successfully for 6 months, but am now getting bladder

challenges with it. I've recently tried Allergy Research Group's but am have

dosing problems finding the right amount. I either don't kill or way overkill

with too much pro-oxidative stress.

>

> Has anyone had success with other brands? What is your favorite?

>

[Guest guest]

Just because something is approved for something doesn't mean it's really a good

treatment option. I've met more people that it's hurt more than it's helped.

Plus it only takes away the pain temporarily, it really doesn't fix.

Anyone have good suggestions for Artemesia?

>

> IC is the one thing DMSO is FDA approved for. Have you tried that?

>

> > [ ] Re: which brands of

> > artemisinin/artemesia do you like best?

> >

> > I have Interstitial Cystitis so I already have bladder

> > issues. I have Dr. Zhang's Artemisiae but am now afraid to

> > try, has anyone else tried with IC? What brands are bladder

> > friendly if you have IC?

> >

>