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> Does anyone know where we can find out more info on this? What is

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> brand to take? What does it do? Is anyone taking it?

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Do an archive search on this topic. Lots of people are getting

results, there are a lot of posts, including some research.

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ROSAVIN is an adapogen ... for others in the same " family "

see http://www.herb.com/adapt-2.html.

Laurie is about to start ordering others adapogens because of

the research on adrenelin, etc encouraging (4000x /day) CFIDS bacterium

growth, plus adrenelin, etc being vascioconstrictors (which the CFIDS bacterium

toxins are also according to old 1958 publication). [ Vascioconstrictors causes

hypertension, and the hard pumping heart that is sometimes reported with CFIDS]

We want to be as mellow as the mellow can be.... and adapogen seems the

" best, safest path " to this state that we can find.

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  • 2 years later...

I wasn't particulary anxious, but I felt wired and agitated so I

never tried more that one dose. Maybe PWCs with low blood pressure

may get a better reation from it. It also may be one of those

supplements that someone (not you Roxy) is trying to 'promote'.

Also, any supplement that gives you more energy without addressing

the 'partial blockade in the Crebs cycle', as Rich puts it, is

probably not a long term alternative. It may be kind of like

taking Ritalin.

Mike C. PS My BP tends to run normal/high, never low.

> Has anyone tried the herb rhodiola rosea, which is reputed to

address many of

> the symptoms of CFS and FM?

> " Overall, R. rosea has very few side effects. Some individuals,

particularly

> those who tend to be anxious, may feel overly activated, jittery,

or agitated.

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We use Rhodiola Rosea, and have found that it is helpful. If you do

a search on Medline you will find over 40 abstracts on Rhodiola

Rosea currently. None are specifically about CFS.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

Here are exerpts from a couple of them.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=11862018 & dopt=Abstract

" It [rhodiola rosea] prevents hypoxia-induced biological changes by

increasing intracellular oxygen diffusion and efficiency of oxygen

utilization. Alternatively, it reduces hypoxia-induced oxidative

damage by its antioxidant activities. "

And

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=11081987 & dopt=Abstract

" Rhodiola rosea in stress induced fatigue--a double blind cross-over

study of a standardized extract SHR-5 with a repeated low-dose

regimen on the mental performance of healthy physicians during night

duty. " " A statistically significant improvement in these tests was

observed in the treatment group (RRE) during the first two weeks

period. No side-effects were reported for either treatment noted.

These results suggest that RRE can reduce general fatigue under

certain stressful conditions. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=7756969 & dopt=Abstract

" [The cardioprotective and antiadrenergic activity of an extract of

Rhodiola rosea in stress] "

We use it whenever stress is a concern. We also have found

passionflower to be helpful.

Laurie

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I take Rhodiola rosea. Actually, I have an anxiety disorder and a panic

attack disorder on top of my CFS, and from the information that you wrote, I

would probably not be a candidate for using it. However, since I didn't know

this before starting it, and since I already started taking it and have been

taking it for about 10 months now, I have my own reaction to go by rather

than what they say would happen. (I rarely react to medications the way that

is expected, so I'm not surprised that I react to Rhodiola rosea in a way

that is not expected.) From my own personal experience, it has a calming

effect on me, rather than making me more jittery. Perhaps it works somewhat

like Ritalin, which can make someone who doesn't need it more agitated, but

can have a calming effect on someone with ADHD.

It has helped a little bit with mental clarity, but it has also helped me

with mood instability much more. Didn't really do a thing for energy. I

could not tolerate St. 's Wort, which made me very agitated and

constantly angry, and supposedly Rhodiola rosea is supposed to have some

antidepressant effects as well, like St. 's Wort. But it didn't affect

me negatively like St. 's Wort did.

As for it causing jitteryness, I don't tolerate caffeine or thiabromine such

as in chocolate at all, even in the small amounts like in decaffeinated

coffee's or tea, and I don't tolerate ginseng either, because of the jittery

effects it has on me. But Rhodiola rosea doesn't seem to have even the

slightest stimulating effect on me. I've been told that it's an adaptogen

similar to ginseng, but with a milder effect.

I started it after starting bioneurofeedback therapy, and it actually helped

to decrease my excess high beta wave activity a little bit, and reduced

excess theta wave activity a little tiny bit.

As for it addressing CFS symptoms, it didn't decrease any of my symptoms,

other than improving mental clarity slightly and some mood stabilization. I

still have sleep problems, circadian rhythm problems, pain, soar throats and

lymph gland pain, dizzy spells, neurally mediated hypotension, neuropathy in

my feet, infections, multiple chemical sensitivities, poor natural killer

cell activity, lead weight fatigue, heart arrhythmia's, etc., and they

haven't diminished in the least since starting it. Rhodiola rosea was a

small drop in the bucket, symptom wise, and not one of the most useful

supplements that I've taken concerning my CFS symptoms. But because it has

helped with the mood instability, I continue to take it, even though it

hasn't seemed to impact any of my CFS symptoms.

lindaj@...

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> Has anyone tried the herb rhodiola rosea, which is reputed to address many

of

> the symptoms of CFS and FM?

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Have you ever tried ashwaganda or made any research about it? I read that it

is also milder adaptogen compared to ginseng but don't know where exactly it

stands.Milder than rhodiola or not?

Thanks.

Nil

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| I take Rhodiola rosea. Actually, I have an anxiety disorder and a panic

| attack disorder on top of my CFS, and from the information that you wrote,

I

| would probably not be a candidate for using it. However, since I didn't

know

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, if you don't mind answering, is the anxiety/panic disorder

secondary to CFS in your opinion, or did you have the disorders

a long time before CFS? Anxiety and panic disorders are well

documented as 'byproducts' of CFS.

Mike C.

> I take Rhodiola rosea. Actually, I have an anxiety disorder and a

panic

> attack disorder on top of my CFS><<snip<<<<<

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I developed them after developing CFS. I've had CFS since I was 17, although

I was able to function enough to be able to be a homemaker and raise

children for years. (I couldn't manage working, but I functioned at least

well enough to do basic housecare and childcare) I'm currently 43. I've had

panic attacks for the last 4 years, although there was some anxiety problems

for about the past 10 years, but that also became severe about 4 years ago,

several months after I had a really severe flu that knocked me down to a

severe level of CFS that I'm still not back to my previous CFS levels of

functioning from. It also triggered the development of MCS, and IBS.

The outright panic attacks were only occasional, like maybe once a month

when they began. About a year ago I started having some severe stress and

stupidly started taking antidepressants at the urging of my doctor to try to

deal with the stress (and hoping that it might help with the CFS, but in

fact it made it much worse) and became very debilitated from the panic

attacks that began happening repeatedly through out the day. The panic

attacks were far worse than the stress that I had been going through. I'm

convinced that the antidepressants were the trigger for the increase in the

panic attacks, because the increase started immediately after starting on

the antidepressants. Two days after starting Remeron, I ended up

hospitalized in the psychiatric ward because of the panic attacks, but

instead of taking me off the Remeron, they tried adding Celexa and Ativan.

Even though I had been going through severe stress for about a month before,

it was the antidepressants that triggered the increase in the panic attacks.

They released me from the hospital four days later because I demanded it,

and I went home and quit the Remeron, which helped a little, but the panic

attacks continued. When I discontinued the Celexa a month later, the panic

attacks reduced in intensity and frequency, but haven't returned to the

previous level that they were before taking antidepressants. I also

discontinued the Ativan at that time, because it seemed to have a rebound

effect that made the panic attacks worse, and did nothing to stop them once

they started. I had tried a couple other benzodiazepines, but one (Buspar)

made me hallucinate, and the other (Vallium) did nothing at all. During the

last 10 months I've also developed neuropathy in my feet and hands, and

localized seizure activity in my left temporal lobe that registers on EEG's,

plus occasional episodes of high blood pressure. (I normally have abnormally

low blood pressure)

I don't know if this is the result of having had CFS for so many years, or

if the flu that I had 4 years ago started an additional disorder and the

stress increased it, or if the antidepressants caused some sort of permanent

damage, or if I had some sort of blood clotting that might have caused micro

strokes, or what. (I've had veins break in my hands and feet on a half dozen

different occasions, for no apparent reason)

I have a major problem getting good medical care, and I've had to depend on

my bioneurofeedback therapist and a naturopath who is not able to prescribe

or order tests, and a BioSET practitioner for what little I know about

what's going on with me, although I did manage to get in to see an

infectious disease specialist about six months ago who at least tested me

for basic hypercoagulation problems (and said I didn't have any, in spite of

the occasional blood vessels in my hands and feet breaking. but I' haven't

had an ISAAC panel done) and natural killer cell function, which was barely

within normal levels, but still very low, in spite of taking Moducare,

PineExtra and Beta Glucan for a couple years. If nothing else, at least he

confirmed that I did in fact have CFS, and he didn't think I had something

else going on. I was hoping he'd at least test for pathogens, but he didn't

even do that. So at this point, I'm not sure what caused the increase in the

panic attacks, but I do know that I didn't have panic attacks before CFS,

and in fact didn't start having them till about 4 years ago.

lindaj@...

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> , if you don't mind answering, is the anxiety/panic disorder

> secondary to CFS in your opinion, or did you have the disorders

> a long time before CFS? Anxiety and panic disorders are well

> documented as 'byproducts' of CFS.

>

> Mike C.

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Actually, my naturopath just prescribed ashwaganda for me the last time I

saw her, but I've just gotten it, (she had to order it and send it to me)

and haven't started taking it, yet. I have a number of new things that she's

starting me on, and I've learned from painful experiences in the past to

only start one new thing at a time, and wait a while before starting

something new, so I can tell what is doing what. I'm going to be starting on

it on Monday. So I'll see what it does.

I'll be taking it in addition to the Rhodiola rosea, so I won't be able to

do any kind of side-by-side comparison of the two.

lindaj@...

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> ,

>

> Have you ever tried ashwaganda or made any research about it? I read that

it

> is also milder adaptogen compared to ginseng but don't know where exactly

it

> stands.Milder than rhodiola or not?

> Thanks.

> Nil

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Well, I'll try to explain a little more about it.

it's been a somewhat rocky ride, because my bioneurofeedback therapist

hasn't ever treated anyone else with CFS, and I came in with a diagnosis of

Fibromyalgia from a rheumetologist who didn't know what else to call it,

which kind of got things off to a confusing start, because I didn't seem to

fit the typical brain wave activity that she often sees in Fibromyalgia

patients. I also didn't fit the brain wave activity of someone suffering

from depression, so at least she didn't start out thinking that I was just

depressed. I definitely had some weird stuff going on, and it's baffled her

repeatedly. She's been very sympathetic, in part because she suffers from

some sort of arthritis and has major brain fog and sleep problems herself,

and she was the first therapist I've seen (and I've seen a half a dozen

different therapists) who actually believed that my problems weren't just

some form of depression or a result of poor coping skills, and that there

are in fact physiological causes for my problems.

I came in with excess high beta wave activity throughout my brain, and some

spikes of localized seizure activity in my left temporal lobe, and I kept

getting these episodes where my brain wave activity would just flatline,

even though I am every bit as alert and conscious as normal. She sometimes

has that happen when there is electrical interference in nearby areas of the

building, but it happens several times EVERY time I go to see her, and it

only happens a couple times a week with all her other clients combined, and

it's happened to me regardless of when I see her, or what room we do it in,

so she's convinced that it's got something to do with me, and not just

electrical interference. If I hadn't seen it on the EEG, I wouldn't have

known it, because I'm not consciously aware of it, aside from some

occasional visual distortion problems that I've learned are the spikes of

seizure activity in my left temporal lobe. So we've been working on reducing

the excess high beta wave activity. I also have excess theta wave activity,

but I've been less successful at reducing that, and we've lately begun

focusing on that. Hopefully that will help a little with the daytime brain

fog.

I got a little pocket neurofeedback device to use in-between visits. My

insurance covers about 2/3 of the cost of visits with the bioneurofeedback

therapist, but not the cost of buying my own neurofeedback unit, so it was

kind of a big chunk out of our pocket. (It ended up being a Christmas

present) But I felt that my progress in just having treatments once a week

was not working very quickly or effectively, and I can't manage going out

more often without having the stress and energy drain of it making me worse.

I get the flatline effects even at home, no matter where I go in my house,

and even outside with nothing anywhere near me, so at the least, it's

confirmed what happens to me at her office.

Basically, the treatments involve having an electrode pasted onto my head

(in different places, depending on what part of my brain we are trying to

work on), and I sit in front of a computer screen and monitor my brain wave

activity through different graphs on the computer, and try to influence it,

by thinking calming thoughts, or relaxing, or just trying to will it to

change. When I'm successful at getting it to change to fit the parameters

that she's set it up for, the computer will make a sound to let me know that

my brain wave activity is within the specified parameters. As time goes by,

she adjusts the parameters closer and closer to what our goal is, kind of

like raising the bar in pole vaulting. It has taken me a long time to be

able to get it to change, and just when I start getting successful

regardless of the parameters, she moves the electrodes to a different spot

and I feel like I'm starting all over again. I do two sessions each visit,

and each session lasts 20 minutes.

Sometimes I just do one session and then we do something else, like talking,

or heart rate attrainment, or like she tried to do hypnosis on me a couple

times, but it didn't work because my high beta wave activity went up rather

than down during the attempt. With the heart rate attrainment, right off the

bat I excelled at being able to modulate it. (from years of having

symptomatic mitral valve prolapse and I had already developed quite a bit of

control over it) So after a couple months of dabbling with that, she decided

that it was a dead end, (and her equipment had a difficult time picking up

my heart rate clearly because of my low blood pressure, and would falsely

report slower heart rate, even though it was just missing some of the beats)

So we moved on to focusing on the neurofeedback.

I don't think bioneurfeedback is a cure, it is really only a symptom

management treatment. The underlying problem is still there, but I've

stimulated my brain to compensate for some of it, which makes things a

little bit easier to cope with. I'm still ill, and I still have panic

attacks and sleep problems, etc., but I've had a reduction in the panic

attacks and a little increased stress tolerance, and I sleep for a little

longer at a time at night, and I've had a little more energy (enough to

start doing the lunch time cooking, and a little more personal care stuff)

which may seem small progress, but that's how I've made any progress with

this disease all along - little steps here and there, and I'll take any

progress that I can get.

I've been doing bioneurofeedback therapy for almost a year now, so it's been

a very slow and frustrating progress. I was at least well enough to be able

to travel to her office for treatments once a week when I started going to

her, which I would not have been able to do if I had been as ill as I was at

my lowest point, but I still crash for a day or two after going. And some

days I really struggle to get myself up and going to get to the

appointments. But I'm so sick of being ill, and I'm determined to do

whatever it takes to get as well as I can get, even if it takes a lot of

effort to just make a little bit of progress. My quality of life has gone

from being bedridden, and almost unable to shower and do basic grooming, to

where I'm now able to do some cooking, a little shopping, some occasional

light yard work and occasional light housework, and get away with playing

with my 1 1/2 year old granddaughter now and then. I've wanted to get back

into doing art work (I was an artist) but I have a lot of visual problems,

and pain and small muscle control problems in my hands.

The other thing that has helped is that she does offer a

sympathetic/listening ear, and she hasn't condemned me as being a

hypochondriac, or having poor coping skills (in fact, she agrees that I have

exceptional coping skills) and she hasn't just chalked everything up to

depression. She's believed in me, (although at times I've had to do a lot of

talking to convince her of some of my problems) but she's been willing to

listen. I've been to other therapists who knew nothing of CFS, and who

automatically make the assumption that someone with panic attacks or CFS

just has poor coping skills or some other poor behavior problems, and it can

ultimately be somewhat abusing to have therapists make those kinds of false

assumptions, creating it's own stressors and just adding to the burdens of

stress, rather than helping. Just having someone who tries to understand is

an immense emotional support. But the talking that we do doesn't evoke any

brain wave activity changes. It's been the bioneurofeedback that seems to be

making progress. But I'd probably continue going to her if I wasn't making

any progress with the bioneurofeedback therapy, just because I've become so

isolated with this illness, and I'd take social contact, even if it meant

paying someone to have it.

Each session costs $75, and my insurance covers $50 of that. I'm paying

about $100 a month out of my pocket in order to do this. There is a company

that does home treatments, (www.siberimaging.com) but my insurance wouldn't

cover the costs of home treatments, only the cost of treatments done in an

office by a licensed therapist, and to have it done through siberimaging

costs several thousands of dollars up front, which we couldn't afford, and

you only lease the equipment. But for someone who is bedridden, that would

be a possible option. We'll probably end up spending that much in the long

run, but at least it will have been a little at a time. I think it would be

possible for a person to do bioneurofeedback therapy on their own, but it is

an incredibly complicated field with a really wacky vocabulary, and trying

to understand it while also having brain fog makes having someone else do

the directing invaluable.

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> Dear ,

>

> You referred to your bioneurofeedback therapist, and said that he/she has

> helped. Can you tell us any more?

>

> Sue B.

> upstate New York

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Thanks to those who responded to my post

asking about this a while ago. My emails

were bouncing, so I didn't see the answers

until recently. I tried Enzymatic Therapy's

version of rhodiola, since it was the

cheapest and had only the one ingredient, but

didn't feel any different (though I think it

may have helped me to lose a little weight).

Perhaps this is because I am too tired to get

out of bed and encounter anything stressful?!

, Laurie and Nil -- and anyone else who

has found it helpful -- can you please let me

know the brand and dosage you use? Thanks

again...

BTW, I also have tried samples of the

anti-narcoleptic Provigil in the meantime.

It helped with fatigue, but turns out not to

be covered by insurance except for

narcolepsy. At $230+ for the brand name,

I'll have to wait for the generic to come

out.

Roxy

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I use Swedish Herbal Institute brand from Vitaminshoppe. It's labeled as

Arctic Root, rather than Rhodiola rosea, so it won't come up in a search for

rhodiola rosea, but will for arctic root. It's in tablet form, 180 mg. per

tablet, and I take two per day. Solgar makes a rhodiola extract that has a

higher potency (at least as far as I can tell with my brain fog), but I

haven't tried it. There is also a Solary brand, but it has less than the

Swedish Herbal Institute brand.

As for how it affects me, it doesn't seem to have a whole lot of energy

benefits. It does seem to improve my ability to emotionally handle stress

better, and that is what I use it for. Everything I've tried that improves

energy, peters out after a few days or weeks, and I haven't found anything

that has had sustained benefits. But I've had a lot of emotional instability

since becoming so ill, especially with stress intolerance, and so I've

focused on improving the emotional stress tolerance, since I'm able to find

things that work on that aspect. The rhodiola, while it hasn't been the

total solution, does have a few " drops-in-the-bucket " benefits for me, and I

tend to count even small advantages, because it's only through the

accumulated benefits of a wide variety of things that I've been able to make

any progress.

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> , Laurie and Nil -- and anyone else who

> has found it helpful -- can you please let me

> know the brand and dosage you use? Thanks

> again...

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last week i started rhodiola tincture, herb pharm, 1:5. this is part of my

attempt to explore ways to better support my adrenals and reduce fatigue.

the tincture directions say: 30-40drops 3-4xday.

day 1: i started with only 15drops 1xd before 3pm--didn't notice anything.

day 2, increased to 15 drops 2xd--severe reaction, speedy (like when taking

" speed " ), can't stop moving, yet body is totally exhausted, feel terrible.

day 3, reduce to 15 drops 1xd--same speedy reaction.

day 4, reduce to 10 drops 1xd--same speedy reaction.

day 5, reduce to 5 drops 1xd--same speedy reaction.

day 6, reduce to 2 drops 1xd--not severe " speedy " but still feel unnaturally

" pushed " .

day 7, reduce to 1 drops 1xd--finally okay.

i've stayed at 1 drop 1xd and felt slight reduction in fatigue.

note that rhodiola is noted for being sedating at higher doses and

energizing at lower doses.

good luck.

kendra

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did you purchase it? Thanks. Ann

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The dude I get it from has written me several times expressing how it

will cure LD all by itself. I have not done the tea yet but am

getting ready to when I figure out how to do it here at work. I have,

however, been taking the whole root caps, along with the 'core'

protocol and have noticed some slight improvements in libido,

alertness and physical endurance. Seekverta, from

www.tibetangold.com, thinks the only way to do it is the tea fusion

thing - not cap form. Here's some more info. Hope this helps.....Sam

***

TibetanGold™ Natural Tibet Organic Rhodiola Tea

Starting at:

A delicious yet curatively potent tea: A little bit goes a long way

with this herb and makes the whole house smell great when being

brewed. Tibetan Rhodiola ( Rhodiola sacra) is a very safe, non-toxic

herbal nutrient tea. It may be consumed daily as a tonic and health

maintaining supplement.

• The bright red Rhodiola flower sits atop a thick fluted cactus-

like stem system, and has a root system with tree-like bark. It is

the root and root-bark which is used to make this delicious herbal

tea.

• It grows at altitudes of between 11,000 and 16,000 ft on the edges

of the snow.

• The main active principle in Rhodiola is glucoside, in addition

includes flavonoids, and polyphenols class volatile oils; also

contains18 amino acids which are needed by the human body, 7 of which

cannot be produced by the body. Such a broad spectrum of bio-

nutrients is seldom seen in any other natural plant.

• This beautiful cinnamon-colored tea from the Rhodiola roots tastes

a little like sarsaparilla (used to make root beer) and contains 15

biological trace elements, most assuredly Ormus-like.

• Rhodiola is one of the most popular adaptogenic herbs, used for

treatment of a multitude of ailments, including anemia, depression,

fatigue, impotence, and infections.

• Rhodiola Root has been shown to improve cognitive function,

athletic performance, and sexual function.

• Tibetan Rhodiola also is used as a powerful and safe

antidepressant. It's been shown to be more a more powerful anti-

depressant than St. 's Wort

• Recently, Rhodiola preparations have been shown to have the

following effects:

• Easing chronic fatigue syndrome: through a variety of mechanisms--

including raising levels of neurotransmitters, improving metabolism

of fatty acids, and enhancing energy molecules, such as ATP

(adenosine triphosphate) and CP (creatine phosphate).

• Enhances body endurance, reinforces physical strength, relief of

tiredness and weakness,

• Rhodiola tea significantly improves a person's capacity to absorb

and utilize oxygen. compensates for low oxygen,

• Improves performance capacity: In a double-blind study, measures

of mental fatigue (such as impaired short-term memory, associative

thinking, and audio-visual perception) were very much improved after

supplementation with Rhodiola tea as opposed to a placebo.

• Rhodiola has also been shown to have aphrodisiac properties, and

has been used to treat premature ejaculation and erectile

dysfunction.

• Improves efficiency of physical and mental work.

• Rhodiola Root is now being studied for its positive attributes in

fighting depression, Parkinson's, ADD, and fibromyalgia.

• In Germany , Rhodiola Root has been used for pain, headache,

hemorrhoids, and as an anti-inflammatory.

• The combination of green tea, or especially, Qololangma White

Sacred Tea ©, Rhodiola is of potential value in normalizing the blood

content of lipids, glucose, and hemoglobin, and calming nervousness,

while helping to overcome fatigue.

Precautions:

• Don't take Rhodiola tea during pregnancy or while breast-feeding;

risks have not been adequately studied.

• Because of its stimulating nature, avoid Rhodiola by individuals

with bipolar (manic-depressive) disorder.

• For fibromyalgia: 200-400 ml of tea in the morning on an empty

stomach is recommended

>

> Has anyone tried this herb? If so, how did it make you feel and

where

> did you purchase it? Thanks. Ann

>

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IMHO there is no herb that will cure Lyme all by itself. IF there was, we would

all be cured on here by now. He sounds like a salesman to me.

That is not to say it is not good. I haven't checked with Buhner, as to WHY

he hasn't recommended it. Have you? Would be interesting to hear what he has

to say about it.

Jim.

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Sam <dudehorner@...> wrote:

The dude I get it from has written me several times expressing how it

will cure LD all by itself. I have not done the tea yet but am

getting ready to when I figure out how to do it here at work. I have,

however, been taking the whole root caps, along with the 'core'

protocol and have noticed some slight improvements in libido,

alertness and physical endurance. Seekverta, from

www.tibetangold.com, thinks the only way to do it is the tea fusion

thing - not cap form. Here's some more info. Hope this helps.....Sam

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Thank you so much for this info.! Very informative.

-- [ ] Re: Rhodiola rosea

The dude I get it from has written me several times expressing how it

will cure LD all by itself. I have not done the tea yet but am

getting ready to when I figure out how to do it here at work. I have,

however, been taking the whole root caps, along with the 'core'

protocol and have noticed some slight improvements in libido,

alertness and physical endurance. Seekverta, from

www.tibetangold.com, thinks the only way to do it is the tea fusion

thing - not cap form. Here's some more info. Hope this helps.....Sam

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