Re: OT- Herbs for Bladder/urinary support

[Guest guest]

ellen, the thing that helped my bladder (IC) was taking guaifenesin. Dr St Amand

prescribes it for fibro thinking that it helps rid the body of a some substance

causing the fibro but i think it works by busting biofilms. the herb it was

derived from is guaicum tree bark. i took 300mg long acting twice a day and the

IC was gone in about 6 months never to return. the other thought is you are not

getting into stage 4 sleep. stage 4 sleep decreases urine output. combined with

even a little heart failure, you will retain fluids during the day, then lie

down and start processing those fluids out, without getting into stage 4 sleep,

you will produce massive quantities of urine - i used to lose up to 5 lbs at

night this way. have you had a sleep study? now that i am on CPAP and meds to

help me get into stage 4 sleep i don't have the fluid dumping at night.

~dory

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From: rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...>

Subject: [ ] OT- Herbs for Bladder/urinary support

Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 5:12 AM

 

hi,

since we're talking herbs -

anybody take herbs for bladder support?

I'm going to order cranberry in herb form; the tea helps me so much I just know

that having a more concentrated dosage will help.

Chapter One has a mushroom product called Liver Force, which they suggested - I

know I need liver suport too.

I'd be interested to hear if anyone takes any other herbal remedies.

I have to urinate so very often, no incontinence, but it is annoying, esp. at

night.

And when I go for a walk I have to make sure I do not go too far from a

bathroom. I think I have a very low grade chronic infection. I have no pain.

When I remember to drink the cranberry tea (traditional medicines brand)

it makes a big difference. And tastes great.

thanks,

ellen

[Guest guest]

Another natural supplement is D-Mannose which is a simple sugar that helps

prevent bladder infections. Not sure how it might work for your other symptoms.

deb

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> hi,

> since we're talking herbs -

> anybody take herbs for bladder support?

> I'm going to order cranberry in herb form; the tea helps me so much I just

know that having a more concentrated dosage will help.

> Chapter One has a mushroom product called Liver Force, which they suggested -

I know I need liver suport too.

>

> I'd be interested to hear if anyone takes any other herbal remedies.

>

> I have to urinate so very often, no incontinence, but it is annoying, esp. at

night.

> And when I go for a walk I have to make sure I do not go too far from a

bathroom. I think I have a very low grade chronic infection. I have no pain.

> When I remember to drink the cranberry tea (traditional medicines brand)

> it makes a big difference. And tastes great.

>

> thanks,

> ellen

>

[Guest guest]

I use D-Mannose when I have bladder symptoms. Its the 'active ingredient' that

makes cranberry work. When I'm having chronic problems, I use a bit ofit

prophylactically (sp) on a daily basis for a while. I also include cranberries

in my diet. I buy them and freeze when they are in season for longer

availability. I use no sugar when I cook them, just eat with other foods. And I

cut them raw into coleslaw with mayonnaise to cut the sour taste. I like the

taste; I don't need them sweetened with sugar.

I occurred to me that in the book Healing Lyme, if I remember correctly, he says

that the bladder is one of the places lyme bugs like. It makes sense to me that

that could explain my long term need to urinate frequently. I used to think it

was that I had a small bladder, but maybe its irritation from the lyme which

does not show up on tests for bladder infection. Dont' know.

Mannose is expensive, of course. Otherwise I'd probably use it even more.

jo

>

> hi,

> since we're talking herbs -

> anybody take herbs for bladder support?

> I'm going to order cranberry in herb form; the tea helps me so much I just

know that having a more concentrated dosage will help.

> Chapter One has a mushroom product called Liver Force, which they suggested -

I know I need liver suport too.

>

> I'd be interested to hear if anyone takes any other herbal remedies.

>

> I have to urinate so very often, no incontinence, but it is annoying, esp. at

night.

> And when I go for a walk I have to make sure I do not go too far from a

bathroom. I think I have a very low grade chronic infection. I have no pain.

> When I remember to drink the cranberry tea (traditional medicines brand)

> it makes a big difference. And tastes great.

>

> thanks,

> ellen

>

[Guest guest]

thanks.

hmm..I don't remember that in the Lyme book, but I'm going to look for it.

> >

> > hi,

> > since we're talking herbs -

> > anybody take herbs for bladder support?

> > I'm going to order cranberry in herb form; the tea helps me so much I just

know that having a more concentrated dosage will help.

> > Chapter One has a mushroom product called Liver Force, which they suggested

- I know I need liver suport too.

> >

> > I'd be interested to hear if anyone takes any other herbal remedies.

> >

> > I have to urinate so very often, no incontinence, but it is annoying, esp.

at night.

> > And when I go for a walk I have to make sure I do not go too far from a

bathroom. I think I have a very low grade chronic infection. I have no pain.

> > When I remember to drink the cranberry tea (traditional medicines brand)

> > it makes a big difference. And tastes great.

> >

> > thanks,

> > ellen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

thank you for the info.

No I haven't had a sleep study, but I don't think I retain urine during the day

- as I go all the time!

I don't know about stage 4 sleep- I know I don't sleep well or enough.

el

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> From: rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...>

> Subject: [ ] OT- Herbs for Bladder/urinary support

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> I'm going to order cranberry in herb form; the tea helps me so much I just

know that having a more concentrated dosage will help.

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> Chapter One has a mushroom product called Liver Force, which they suggested -

I know I need liver suport too.

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bathroom. I think I have a very low grade chronic infection. I have no pain.

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> I occurred to me that in the book Healing Lyme, if I remember correctly, he

says that the bladder is one of the places lyme bugs like. It makes sense to me

that that could explain my long term need to urinate frequently. I used to think

it was that I had a small bladder, but maybe its irritation from the lyme which

does not show up on tests for bladder infection. Dont' know.

Another likely explanation that I have come across is that lyme damages /

disturbs the ganglions of the autonomous nervous system that control the

bladder, GI tract etc. In this case there is no real infection to the bladder

itself.

[Guest guest]

Dory, What do you take for sleep? I have been on c-pap for about 4 months;

unfotunately I still have such difficulty geting to sleep. And I'm still waking

to urinate. I had hoped that with use of the c-pap that I would be able to get

to sleep more easily and not awaken during the night so much. It HAS helped a

tad, and I'm sure its better for my body but I still suffer a lot with not being

able to get to sleep. And I just don't know if I'm going into stage 4 sleep

since I don't have a noticeable decrease in urine output. Thanks, jo

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> ellen, the thing that helped my bladder (IC) was taking guaifenesin. Dr St

Amand prescribes it for fibro thinking that it helps rid the body of a some

substance causing the fibro but i think it works by busting biofilms. the herb

it was derived from is guaicum tree bark. i took 300mg long acting twice a day

and the IC was gone in about 6 months never to return. the other thought is you

are not getting into stage 4 sleep. stage 4 sleep decreases urine output.

combined with even a little heart failure, you will retain fluids during the

day, then lie down and start processing those fluids out, without getting into

stage 4 sleep, you will produce massive quantities of urine - i used to lose up

to 5 lbs at night this way. have you had a sleep study? now that i am on CPAP

and meds to help me get into stage 4 sleep i don't have the fluid dumping at

night.

> ~dory

[Guest guest]

It is in the early part of the book where he talks about deer urinating and

other animals eating the spirochete when they feed. If memory serves. jo

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Dory. I do take clonazepam but have been trying to get off it. I've been

tested high on melatonin so don't take that. I'll check out the other one.

Actually, I've needed some kind of calming medication since getting sick 20

years ago. But I seem to be needing more of the clonazepam so wanted to take a

little break to wash out the tolerance I may have built up. Oh well, mabye I'll

just accept it the way it is.

Thanks, jo

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> for sleep i take 1mg clonazepam, 50mg diphenhydramine, 3mg melatonin. i also

take calcium magesium and zinc before bed. and i usually take an epsom salts

bath. i avoid all caffeine as even a cup of tea in the AM will keep me awake at

night. pain used to be a culprit in my not being able to sleep. i'm taking low

dose naltrexone for pain and it is better.

> my sleep specialist was the one who suggested the clonazepam because of it

helping get to stage 4 sleep.

> ~dory

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[Guest guest]

For me the interstitial cystitis is due to bartonella, it wasnt until I started

treating the bartonella that my frequency started decreasing. If you google

interstitial cystitis you will see that is a disease of cats and cats harbor

bartonella . Bartonella decreases your magnesium, magnesium deficiency creates

muscle spasms , the bladder is a muscle, spasms create frequency and urgency

also the people that have ic have pelvic floor dysfunction, were the pelvic

muscles are very tight creating frequency and sometimes pain. I go to a pelvic

floor therapist and it helps, but until the bartonella stops creating the

inflammation the ic wont resolve. Also bartonella ilikes to infect the sacral

nervous plexus, and thats why most people with ic have lower back pain , on top

of that the lyme and bart make you immunosupressed so you can get bladder

infections from bacteria that will normally wont cause infection on

immunocompetent people, like strep d .

Raquel

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> > I occurred to me that in the book Healing Lyme, if I remember correctly, he

says that the bladder is one of the places lyme bugs like. It makes sense to me

that that could explain my long term need to urinate frequently. I used to think

it was that I had a small bladder, but maybe its irritation from the lyme which

does not show up on tests for bladder infection. Dont' know.

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> Another likely explanation that I have come across is that lyme damages /

disturbs the ganglions of the autonomous nervous system that control the

bladder, GI tract etc. In this case there is no real infection to the bladder

itself.

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This may not be in the book, but these are helpful for the bladder

Uva Ursa < only take for one month on and one month on.

Cranberry is also great for the bladder.

And I know that detoxing heavy metals seems to play a role in bladder control.

Mag. is a must too, for all the nerves.

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he says that the bladder is one of the places lyme bugs like. It makes sense to

me that that could explain my long term need to urinate frequently. I used to

think it was that I had a small bladder, but maybe its irritation from the lyme

which does not show up on tests for bladder infection. Dont' know.

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> > Another likely explanation that I have come across is that lyme damages /

disturbs the ganglions of the autonomous nervous system that control the

bladder, GI tract etc. In this case there is no real infection to the bladder

itself.

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