Re: vincamine vs vinpocetine

[Guest guest]

I only use the pure herb Periwinkle and only use it in tincture form. I buy the

cut and sifted and make my own tincture. I have used it for almost two years

now.

I haven't tried your synthetic form of periwinkle. So IF you are going to use

it, follow their directions so you don't get into trouble. That is all I can

say about it.

jim.

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kendra <kendraz@...> wrote:

greetings,

i was receiving intuitive feeling that i should start vincamine, which i

bought few months ago but left sitting. today i realized that one of the

things it's supposed to help is tinnitus, which happens to be a symptom that

i've had for years, but it's been getting much stronger recently and really

bothering me. so, happy coincidence.

i've re-read what buhner says in his book, but now i'm a bit perplexed. it

seems that buhner only mentions in book vincamine, which is, as far as i can

tell, a " natural constituent found in the leaves of Vinca minor (lesser

periwinkle). " but i do not see buhner ever mention vinpocetine, which is a

" chemical substance synthesized from vincamine. " buhner's dosages are for

the form of vincamine. i bought vinpocetine, the extract, Pure

Encapsulations, 20mg--without realizing it was different.

so now i'm wondering if i should reduce the dosage since i'm taking

vinpocetine. i found some info on web below, which suggests that the

vinpocetine is a LOT more potent than vincamine (but their suggestion for

dose does not specify the mg per capsule). does anyone have experience with

these two forms?

curiously,

kendra

" VINPOCETINE: A side effect free synthetic derivative of

vincamine. Vinpocetine is three to four times as potent as

vincamine at improving cerebral circulation and overall is

OVER TWICE as potent as vincamine in humans. Vinpocetine has

wide ranging effects and can be used to improve memory,

treat stroke, menopausal symptoms, macular degeneration,

impaired hearing and tinnitus. The usual oral starting dose

is 1-2 tablets three times daily, to be followed by a

maintenance dose of 1 tablet three times daily for a longer

period of time. Vinpocetine has not been reported to

interact with other drugs and may be used in combination. "

-- 'Recommended Dosages' sheet from Interlab.

http://stason.org/TULARC/health/body/tinnitus-ringing-ears/9-12-Treating-Tin

nitus-vinpocetine-and-vincamine.html

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[Guest guest]

I only use the pure herb Periwinkle and only use it in tincture form. I buy the

cut and sifted and make my own tincture. I have used it for almost two years

now.

I haven't tried your synthetic form of periwinkle. So IF you are going to use

it, follow their directions so you don't get into trouble. That is all I can

say about it.

jim.

###

kendra <kendraz@...> wrote:

greetings,

i was receiving intuitive feeling that i should start vincamine, which i

bought few months ago but left sitting. today i realized that one of the

things it's supposed to help is tinnitus, which happens to be a symptom that

i've had for years, but it's been getting much stronger recently and really

bothering me. so, happy coincidence.

i've re-read what buhner says in his book, but now i'm a bit perplexed. it

seems that buhner only mentions in book vincamine, which is, as far as i can

tell, a " natural constituent found in the leaves of Vinca minor (lesser

periwinkle). " but i do not see buhner ever mention vinpocetine, which is a

" chemical substance synthesized from vincamine. " buhner's dosages are for

the form of vincamine. i bought vinpocetine, the extract, Pure

Encapsulations, 20mg--without realizing it was different.

so now i'm wondering if i should reduce the dosage since i'm taking

vinpocetine. i found some info on web below, which suggests that the

vinpocetine is a LOT more potent than vincamine (but their suggestion for

dose does not specify the mg per capsule). does anyone have experience with

these two forms?

curiously,

kendra

" VINPOCETINE: A side effect free synthetic derivative of

vincamine. Vinpocetine is three to four times as potent as

vincamine at improving cerebral circulation and overall is

OVER TWICE as potent as vincamine in humans. Vinpocetine has

wide ranging effects and can be used to improve memory,

treat stroke, menopausal symptoms, macular degeneration,

impaired hearing and tinnitus. The usual oral starting dose

is 1-2 tablets three times daily, to be followed by a

maintenance dose of 1 tablet three times daily for a longer

period of time. Vinpocetine has not been reported to

interact with other drugs and may be used in combination. "

-- 'Recommended Dosages' sheet from Interlab.

http://stason.org/TULARC/health/body/tinnitus-ringing-ears/9-12-Treating-Tin

nitus-vinpocetine-and-vincamine.html

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Kendra,

I don't know the answer to your question, but if you do start taking

Vincamine, I'd be interested to know if it helps foggy brain.

I think it was who had that result from it, also vision, if I

remember correctly.

I tried it, but I wasn't able to tolerate it, made me very nautious.

But ' rec was so high, I keep thinking, I should try it again.

ellen

>

> greetings,

> i was receiving intuitive feeling that i should start vincamine, which i

> bought few months ago but left sitting. today i realized that one of the

> things it's supposed to help is tinnitus, which happens to be a

symptom that

> i've had for years, but it's been getting much stronger recently and

really

> bothering me. so, happy coincidence.

>

> i've re-read what buhner says in his book, but now i'm a bit

perplexed. it

> seems that buhner only mentions in book vincamine, which is, as far

as i can

> tell, a " natural constituent found in the leaves of Vinca minor (lesser

> periwinkle). " but i do not see buhner ever mention vinpocetine,

which is a

> " chemical substance synthesized from vincamine. " buhner's dosages

are for

> the form of vincamine. i bought vinpocetine, the extract, Pure

> Encapsulations, 20mg--without realizing it was different.

>

> so now i'm wondering if i should reduce the dosage since i'm taking

> vinpocetine. i found some info on web below, which suggests that the

> vinpocetine is a LOT more potent than vincamine (but their

suggestion for

> dose does not specify the mg per capsule). does anyone have

experience with

> these two forms?

>

> curiously,

> kendra

>

> " VINPOCETINE: A side effect free synthetic derivative of

> vincamine. Vinpocetine is three to four times as potent as

> vincamine at improving cerebral circulation and overall is

> OVER TWICE as potent as vincamine in humans. Vinpocetine has

> wide ranging effects and can be used to improve memory,

> treat stroke, menopausal symptoms, macular degeneration,

> impaired hearing and tinnitus. The usual oral starting dose

> is 1-2 tablets three times daily, to be followed by a

> maintenance dose of 1 tablet three times daily for a longer

> period of time. Vinpocetine has not been reported to

> interact with other drugs and may be used in combination. "

> -- 'Recommended Dosages' sheet from Interlab.

>

>

http://stason.org/TULARC/health/body/tinnitus-ringing-ears/9-12-Treating-Tin

> nitus-vinpocetine-and-vincamine.html

>

[Guest guest]

I have been taking Periwinkle tincture for about 22 months now. It is good for

eye problems, dimentia, headaches, memory difficulties, etc.. However I like

Devils Claw the best for my vision problems. When I stop taking Devil's Claw, I

notice the biggest deterioration in my vision.

Jim.

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rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote:

Kendra,

I don't know the answer to your question, but if you do start taking

Vincamine, I'd be interested to know if it helps foggy brain.

I think it was who had that result from it, also vision, if I

remember correctly.

I tried it, but I wasn't able to tolerate it, made me very nautious.

But ' rec was so high, I keep thinking, I should try it again.

ellen

[Guest guest]

jim wrote:

So IF you are going to use it, follow their directions so you don't get into

trouble.

well, this is part of what's confusing to me. the directions on my bottle of

vinpocetine is for the SAME dose as what buhner recommends for the vicamine,

20mg 3xday. so IF the vinpocetine is truly a lot stronger, this does not

make sense. then jo just wrote about taking only 5mg of vinpocetine (1/4 of

my capsule) ...

i'm starting with 1cap of 20mg per day. see how that goes. maybe go up to

2xday. think i'll send query to buhner too.

i did not realize there was a difference between these before i bought. i

was not able to find any of the vincamine without extra fillers, binders,

rice, gluten, etc, that i need to avoid. i just looked again and can't even

find a lower dose of the vinpocetine that is filler-free.

still curious,

kendra

-----Original Message-----

I only use the pure herb Periwinkle and only use it in tincture form. I buy

the cut and sifted and make my own tincture. I have used it for almost two

years now.

I haven't tried your synthetic form of periwinkle. So IF you are going to

use it, follow their directions so you don't get into trouble. That is all

I can say about it.

jim.

kendra <kendraz@...> wrote:

greetings,

i was receiving intuitive feeling that i should start vincamine, which i

bought few months ago but left sitting. today i realized that one of the

things it's supposed to help is tinnitus, which happens to be a symptom that

i've had for years, but it's been getting much stronger recently and really

bothering me. so, happy coincidence.

i've re-read what buhner says in his book, but now i'm a bit perplexed. it

seems that buhner only mentions in book vincamine, which is, as far as i can

tell, a " natural constituent found in the leaves of Vinca minor (lesser

periwinkle). " but i do not see buhner ever mention vinpocetine, which is a

" chemical substance synthesized from vincamine. " buhner's dosages are for

the form of vincamine. i bought vinpocetine, the extract, Pure

Encapsulations, 20mg--without realizing it was different.

so now i'm wondering if i should reduce the dosage since i'm taking

vinpocetine. i found some info on web below, which suggests that the

vinpocetine is a LOT more potent than vincamine (but their suggestion for

dose does not specify the mg per capsule). does anyone have experience with

these two forms?

curiously,

kendra

" VINPOCETINE: A side effect free synthetic derivative of

vincamine. Vinpocetine is three to four times as potent as

vincamine at improving cerebral circulation and overall is

OVER TWICE as potent as vincamine in humans. Vinpocetine has

wide ranging effects and can be used to improve memory,

treat stroke, menopausal symptoms, macular degeneration,

impaired hearing and tinnitus. The usual oral starting dose

is 1-2 tablets three times daily, to be followed by a

maintenance dose of 1 tablet three times daily for a longer

period of time. Vinpocetine has not been reported to

interact with other drugs and may be used in combination. "

-- 'Recommended Dosages' sheet from Interlab.

http://stason.org/TULARC/health/body/tinnitus-ringing-ears/9-12-Treating-Tin

nitus-vinpocetine-and-vincamine.html

[Guest guest]

I have ONLY used Periwinkle (vincamine) in tincture form right from the

beginning, so didn't have to deal with any impure capsules.

I am wondering WHAT SIZE capsules are used to only give you 20mg? I realize

that Periwinkle is quite light, compared to most of the other herbs, but is a

" 0 " size capsule equal to 20 mg, or a " 00 " size, or do you have to have a much

smaller size capsule?

Does anyone know IF Buhner has said anything about using tincture versus

encapsulated powder?

I imagine I could get Periwinkle in bulk powder form, though I haven't tried

as yet.

Thanks,

Jim.

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kendra <kendraz@...> wrote:

jim wrote:

So IF you are going to use it, follow their directions so you don't get into

trouble.

well, this is part of what's confusing to me. the directions on my bottle of

vinpocetine is for the SAME dose as what buhner recommends for the vicamine,

20mg 3xday. so IF the vinpocetine is truly a lot stronger, this does not

make sense. then jo just wrote about taking only 5mg of vinpocetine (1/4 of

my capsule) ...

i'm starting with 1cap of 20mg per day. see how that goes. maybe go up to

2xday. think i'll send query to buhner too.

i did not realize there was a difference between these before i bought. i

was not able to find any of the vincamine without extra fillers, binders,

rice, gluten, etc, that i need to avoid. i just looked again and can't even

find a lower dose of the vinpocetine that is filler-free.

still curious,

kendra