Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Hello again, fellow Lymies. I've been quiet for a while because I've just got back from Southern Italy, where I took at his word and relaxed my dietary regime somewhat, including drinking wine . I also had to cut down on the number of herb capsules in the interest of feasible packing!Too early to tell if alcohol, some wheat, more dairy etc for 2 weeks had much of an effect other than weight gain. The messages about the hot tub caught my eye because it was extremely hot and humid in Italy and this, combined with an increase in hot flushes [babesia or menopause??] made me feel as if I were in a sauna most of the time. This reminded me of the varying opinions on the use of saunas, especially Far infrared saunas, as both a method of helping to keep the spirochete population down and a form of detox. I know that Andy Cutler is against them where mercury chelation is concerned, but have read other positive experiences, so does anyone here have any further thoughts on the merits or otherwise of using infrared saunas? Best Wishes to evryone, Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 I believe my daughter has kept her lyme load very low by using our FIR sauna every night with other things. It has been shown in lab studies that the ketes are killed at about 103 degrees. Therefore using heat would seem to be a very reasonable modality to treat lyme. -- [ ] Re: Can't Figure This Out - Elbows Thanks, Jim, 102 isn't all that high - healthy people often go that high when working out. Since I'm starting below 95, I can't get it there with exercise alone. I used to control my Lyme with just exercise, until I had the big temp drop. And, sadly, I cannot tolerate andro or stephania. D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Has worked wonders for my daughter in detoxing and killing lyme! Highly recommend! -- [ ] Re: hot tubs / saunas Hello again, fellow Lymies. I've been quiet for a while because I've just got back from Southern Italy, where I took at his word and relaxed my dietary regime somewhat, including drinking wine . I also had to cut down on the number of herb capsules in the interest of feasible packing!Too early to tell if alcohol, some wheat, more dairy etc for 2 weeks had much of an effect other than weight gain. The messages about the hot tub caught my eye because it was extremely hot and humid in Italy and this, combined with an increase in hot flushes [babesia or menopause??] made me feel as if I were in a sauna most of the time. This reminded me of the varying opinions on the use of saunas, especially Far infrared saunas, as both a method of helping to keep the spirochete population down and a form of detox. I know that Andy Cutler is against them where mercury chelation is concerned, but have read other positive experiences, so does anyone here have any further thoughts on the merits or otherwise of using infrared saunas? Best Wishes to evryone, Carolyn Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 HI Carolyn! Definitively going out of diet can cause worsening of symptoms. It caused for me clearly, specially wheat AND dairy. Now I can take both, but I dont' think I have symptoms for a while. Before, it was impossible without getting extremely tired after the second or third 'bad' meal. Now I eat pizza, noodles, bread again and feel nothing bad (except in my conscience), but during my sick days, diet played a central part in feeling good! Difficult to resist the Italian specialties!!! I can't help you on FIR saunas as I never used these. But Dr. K is also against it, I think, IF you're starting to detox as you can move metals too much. Better to clean the great part of loose metals first, intestines etc, then go for the FIR saunas to help mobilizing stuff. If I remember well. He uses FIR saunas daily himself. take care! Selma > > Hello again, fellow Lymies. I've been quiet for a while because I've > just got back from Southern Italy, where I took at his word > and relaxed my dietary regime somewhat, including drinking wine . I > also had to cut down on the number of herb capsules in the interest of > feasible packing!Too early to tell if alcohol, some wheat, more dairy > etc for 2 weeks had much of an effect other than weight gain. > > The messages about the hot tub caught my eye because it was extremely > hot and humid in Italy and this, combined with an increase in hot > flushes [babesia or menopause??] made me feel as if I were in a sauna > most of the time. This reminded me of the varying opinions on the use > of saunas, especially Far infrared saunas, as both a method of helping > to keep the spirochete population down and a form of detox. I know > that Andy Cutler is against them where mercury chelation is concerned, > but have read other positive experiences, so does anyone here have any > further thoughts on the merits or otherwise of using infrared saunas? > > Best Wishes to evryone, > > Carolyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Many thanks, and Selma, for the sauna feedback. I had the mercury removed in 2000, Selma, and have taken quite a lot of stuff [eg.Humic acid, cilantro, Metal Free, Lipoic acid, MSM, chlorella] at various times since, so I am hoping that the heavy metal load might be reduced enough for a home portable sauna to be worth trying; though the hot flushes seem to be their own portable sauna! , I'm glad your daughter did so well with them: to ask a practical question, did you find CLEANING a sauna an arduous job? I have a lot of fatigue, but logic tells me that sweat containing toxins should not stay on the sauna lining. Do you have a sit-down or lie-down version? Any advice would be most welcome, Carolyn > > HI Carolyn! Definitively going out of diet can cause worsening of > symptoms. It caused for me clearly, specially wheat AND dairy. > > Now I can take both, but I dont' think I have symptoms for a while. > Before, it was impossible without getting extremely tired after the > second or third 'bad' meal. Now I eat pizza, noodles, bread again and > feel nothing bad (except in my conscience), but during my sick days, > diet played a central part in feeling good! > > Difficult to resist the Italian specialties!!! > > I can't help you on FIR saunas as I never used these. But Dr. K is > also against it, I think, IF you're starting to detox as you can move > metals too much. Better to clean the great part of loose metals > first, intestines etc, then go for the FIR saunas to help mobilizing > stuff. If I remember well. He uses FIR saunas daily himself. > > take care! > > Selma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 HI Carolyn, We purchased a 2 person FIR sauna. It is dry heat so it is all wood. (it's not really a 2 person, more like 1 1/2) But, you lay towels down that you sit on and towels around yourself and on the floor. The only cleanup is washing all the extra towels. There is practically no cleanup of the sauna itself, except to maybe wipe the floor from time to time and clean the glass For us (there are 4 of us using it b/c of lyme) the only real issue is all the extra towels! My husband and I sit with our feet on the bench, but my 12 year old is still small enough to lie down. It is also a snap to put together. My husband had it together in 30 min. It is a great investment and I highly recommend having one. -- [ ] Re: hot tubs / saunas Many thanks, and Selma, for the sauna feedback. I had the mercury removed in 2000, Selma, and have taken quite a lot of stuff [eg.Humic acid, cilantro, Metal Free, Lipoic acid, MSM, chlorella] at various times since, so I am hoping that the heavy metal load might be reduced enough for a home portable sauna to be worth trying; though the hot flushes seem to be their own portable sauna! , I'm glad your daughter did so well with them: to ask a practical question, did you find CLEANING a sauna an arduous job? I have a lot of fatigue, but logic tells me that sweat containing toxins should not stay on the sauna lining. Do you have a sit-down or lie-down version? Any advice would be most welcome, Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 > > HI Carolyn, > > We purchased a 2 person FIR sauna. It is dry heat so it is all wood. (it's > not really a 2 person, more like 1 1/2) But, you lay towels down that you > sit on and towels around yourself and on the floor. The only cleanup is > washing all the extra towels. There is practically no cleanup of the sauna > itself, except to maybe wipe the floor from time to time and clean the glass > For us (there are 4 of us using it b/c of lyme) the only real issue is all > the extra towels! My husband and I sit with our feet on the bench, but my > 12 year old is still small enough to lie down. > > It is also a snap to put together. My husband had it together in 30 min. > > It is a great investment and I highly recommend having one. > > > > -- [ ] Re: hot tubs / saunas > > Many thanks, and Selma, for the sauna feedback. > > I had the mercury removed in 2000, Selma, and have taken quite a lot > of stuff [eg.Humic acid, cilantro, Metal Free, Lipoic acid, MSM, > chlorella] at various times since, so I am hoping that the heavy metal > load might be reduced enough for a home portable sauna to be worth > trying; though the hot flushes seem to be their own portable sauna! > > , I'm glad your daughter did so well with them: to ask a > practical question, did you find CLEANING a sauna an arduous job? I > have a lot of fatigue, but logic tells me that sweat containing toxins > should not stay on the sauna lining. Do you have a sit-down or > lie-down version? Any advice would be most welcome, > > Carolyn > Thanks again for this useful description, . I've only recently forked out for a second hand KMT machine, but will probably look at the sauna seriously when funds allow. Best Wishes, Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 Carolyn, My sauna is poplar (a non allergenci wood). I was concerned about contaminating it with toxic sweat, so I always used ample towels when I was in it. Wrapped around me, under me, under my feet; anyplace the sweat would fall so as not to leave it in the sauna. Even so, after each use, I also left the door open to air it out thoroughly. jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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