Re: Babesia, SELMA

September 2, 2007

Hi Selma:

I take it you do NOT have his latest CD set yet? I don't have the whole set,

just one CD that a gal sent me from her own recording of the Seminar out east

that he gave. IF MY memory serves me right, he NOW doesn't have much faith in

Artemisinin. I will have to go back and listen to it again. Get forgetful when

not working with it every day.

THe info I gave here, I took from his Healing Lyme book, page 184. He isn't

really recommending ANYTHING on that page. He pretty much just reports what

happens here and there. He talks about the people in China NOT having Malaria

very much, and it is because of the Artemisinin or maybe I should say the

Artemisia annua. Then he goes on to tell about the 800 to 1200 mg a day, for

THREE days, then off for two weeks.

BUT he is talking about Malaria. HOWEVER, he also states on that page: " whole

herb can reliably be used for malaria IF the dosage is increased to the 500mg

range. This would apply to babesia treatment as well. . . . . . . The secret

is in the dose, as with all medications. " .

I got NO results at all, couldn't feel a thing, when I went on his low dose,

so I went on the high dose to finish the bottle, and felt a little was

happening. Then later I went on the artemisia annua and felt kinda weird,

especially in my head. So I felt something was happening that time. Then later

I started taking it again, but that was when I was starting the Coptis and had

trouble last year, so stopped it all for a few days; and have never tried the

Artemisia annua again.

I have been kinda relapsing lately, but I am beginning to think it is because

I haven't got the rest of my Amalgams out yet. And my jaw has been hurting in

places, and sinus headaches, and I didn't have this before. So I am thinking it

is more the mercury in my body than anything at this point. I had two ELISA

tests this summer, and they were both negative. Course I know we shouldn't

take much stock in them. Those are the ONLY tests I have ever had for Lyme.

Everything was clinical by my duck before that, and now the past year and a half

on my own, diagnosing best I can for myself.

I need to start looking seriously for a GOOD dentist, I think. I am afraid to

go back to the one I had the past two or three years. There is supposed to be a

good holistic dentist over in Green Bay, but I don't know how much he will cost,

nor how long it takes to get into see him. But I KNOW I need to do something,

so I can heal.

Jim.

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selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Jim, did he really said that high dose for artemisinin? That's

exactly the protocol Dr. K uses (I think that's how most Chinese try

to get malaria with artemisinin).

I did that too, two times in my first AND second babesial infection.

Artemisinin hit lots of bugs, but it didn't kill the cystic forms, I

suppose. I relapsed after.

Can you confirm if Buhner is now recommending the high dose REALLY?

He was very careful in recommending some high doses in the past, if

my memory is good.

Thanks,

Selma

September 3, 2007

Hi Jim, thanks for the info. When you listen to it again, please let

us know!

Yes, teeth problems are hell. I'm with you!! I read dr. K. thinks jaw

pains, inflamation are more related to babesia and bartonella. I did

find some babesia in my roots when I asked through muscle test,

specially the ones which roots had infection (or felt like, because I

felt pain and got no cavities there). But I also found borrelia in

the same tooth. It was the only time I could see tick born pathogens

there, otherwise, they often tested for different critters (in my

case, the same as listed in the gastro-intestinal parasites from the

KMT).

I think it was right, as when I ran the KMT on the Gastro-intestinal

parasites/ bacteries, I did feel relief most of the times. I think I

could save at least 2 teeth from dying with this KMT in this recent

re-infection.

It seems that our jaws are extremely vulnerable when we catch lyme.

I've heard so many stories, and my own of course, that shows we can

have lots of infections coming and going there due to lyme and co.

Specially when we're toxic (with killings/ metals).

Yes, start with the amalgams. I found a good place (ebay Germany) to

buy cheaper chlorella (it's chlorella surokiana or something like

that). The price is really much lower and I tested it, it seems as

good as the expensive brands I've been taking for ages.

My naturopath tested too, it tested good, so probably it's clean.

That's what I'm using (now my chlorella monthly budtget fell to 1/3

to what it was). I owe that tip to another lymenet member! Search in

ebay US, who knows you'll find something? Chlorella is essential for

catching lose metals. It doesn't detox the brain, but it detoxes the

blood and organs from these nasty metals.

You know, I changed my theory on 'relapses'. Since I started my own

muscle tests, I dont' call these coming back of symptoms as relapses,

not in my case at least.

I am tracking the evolution of critters in my body, and I'm always

going one step up in treatment, slowly but surely. Everytime I win a

battle (one critter is down OR the critters have to change strategies

to fight my herbs/ my immune system), I have what people would call a

relapse. It's not. It's that critters change, for example, babesia

gets down and borrelia comes up, so I start having borrelia symptoms

(like the EM rash I had).

Yesterday, another two critters seem to have gone (knocking on wood),

bart and ehrlichia (I was in final battles with them), and guess

what? I felt my left knee a bit and lower part of my back!! What?

Yes, borrelia trying to colonize my joints again...

Just a few days ago, my doctor could only find borrelia in a small

part of my brain, but since the other critters fell, borrelia takes

hold of the situation and spreads all over trying to survive (at

least, that's how I understand what's happening). I haven't got any

arthritic symptoms since the first days after reinfection in May.

Guess what? Knotweed and phellodendron, the two most constant herbs

since my reinfection, stopped testing AT THE SAME TIME yesterday. I'm

SOOO SURPRISED. How can I stop knotweed? I feel afraid, because it IS

my magic herb in this reinfection. No, it not only stopped to test

but it tests NEGATIVE. Meaning, if I take it, borrelia will have an

advatange. So I'm 'forbidden' to take it (according to my tests).

I keep thinking about the reason, and I think (I suppose) it's

because borrelia got used to the way knotweed attacks it and found a

way to recolonize my body ANYWAY. So you know for what I started

testing good since yesterday night? Well, andrographis AND stephania.

I never so far tested good for stephania. And andro was testing NO

most of the previous times. Last week I asked many times, andro and

stephania were testing a big NO.

Not now! I'm not taking knotweed for the first time since May, and

started stephania instead. You know, I start to think a critter

cannot resist these muscle tests and the constant change of protocol.

They exhaust them, I believe.

When they find a way to get through my immune system and herbs, bang,

I change protocols. I'm doing that almost on a daily basis (at least

the amount changing, or a herb changing etc). I don't know though if

they can still hide in metals or so and still evade my constant

changes...

So now, I'm on another new battle, this time against borrelia alone

(and my feet candida, that still shows up in my blood, but not on my

skin).

I wonder who will get down first. Both are VERY stubborn critters.

Well, wish you good luck on the dentist thing. Eleuthero is testing

excellent to many things, also for a chronic pulpitis I have in a

tooth. No other herb tests good for this infection (I still couldn't

find it).

Eleuthero must be taken away from cold herbs (now that I do my muscle

tests, this eleuthero and cardamon do test good but FAR away from

andro/ stephania, about 2 hour interval is needed). I thought about

you and your story of garlic, as both eleuthero and cardamon seem to

be hot (in my tests).

Good luck with the dentist hunt.

Selma

>

> Hi Selma:

>

> I take it you do NOT have his latest CD set yet? I don't have

the whole set, just one CD that a gal sent me from her own recording

of the Seminar out east that he gave. IF MY memory serves me right,

he NOW doesn't have much faith in Artemisinin. I will have to go

back and listen to it again. Get forgetful when not working with it

every day.

>

> THe info I gave here, I took from his Healing Lyme book, page

184. He isn't really recommending ANYTHING on that page. He pretty

much just reports what happens here and there. He talks about the

people in China NOT having Malaria very much, and it is because of

the Artemisinin or maybe I should say the Artemisia annua. Then he

goes on to tell about the 800 to 1200 mg a day, for THREE days, then

off for two weeks.

>

> BUT he is talking about Malaria. HOWEVER, he also states on that

page: " whole herb can reliably be used for malaria IF the dosage is

increased to the 500mg range. This would apply to babesia treatment

as well. . . . . . . The secret is in the dose, as with all

medications. " .

>

> I got NO results at all, couldn't feel a thing, when I went on

his low dose, so I went on the high dose to finish the bottle, and

felt a little was happening. Then later I went on the artemisia

annua and felt kinda weird, especially in my head. So I felt

something was happening that time. Then later I started taking it

again, but that was when I was starting the Coptis and had trouble

last year, so stopped it all for a few days; and have never tried the

Artemisia annua again.

>

> I have been kinda relapsing lately, but I am beginning to think

it is because I haven't got the rest of my Amalgams out yet. And my

jaw has been hurting in places, and sinus headaches, and I didn't

have this before. So I am thinking it is more the mercury in my body

than anything at this point. I had two ELISA tests this summer, and

they were both negative. Course I know we shouldn't take much stock

in them. Those are the ONLY tests I have ever had for Lyme.

Everything was clinical by my duck before that, and now the past year

and a half on my own, diagnosing best I can for myself.

>

> I need to start looking seriously for a GOOD dentist, I think. I

am afraid to go back to the one I had the past two or three years.

There is supposed to be a good holistic dentist over in Green Bay,

but I don't know how much he will cost, nor how long it takes to get

into see him. But I KNOW I need to do something, so I can heal.

>

> Jim.

> ###

September 8, 2007

Hi Selma:

I haven't had a chance to listen to it, seems like so much going on al the

time. I sure HOPE your tests are telling you the truth. As I understand they

are only about 80% accurate, right?

Take care,