Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Hi all! I love to give folks information to let them help themselves whenever possible. So a quick reminder I have a totally free Lyme Computer Resource CD of info I have collected over the past 4 years helping my wife get her Chronic Lyme in remission. See my webpage below. Also I belong to a large number of dealing with Chronic Lyme etc. There are 2 groups that I am seeing the most reports of healing and success. They are the Salt/C group and the Doug Plus (for a rife like machine) groups. They both have a lot of good information following on them and people helping each other. <DougPlus/> DougPlus/ <lymestrategies/> lymestrategies/ www.lyme-resource.com <http://www.lyme-resource.com/> You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 This is my point....There are many alternative therapies like CS, Rife with which many folks have gotten remarkable results like your wife despite the fact of lack of scientific proof. Scientific proof in my humble opinion is practically useless as those with credentials like LLMD's have little incentive to conduct and many reasons to avoid..like risking their livelihoods. I, personally have not had much luck with Rife or CS, but it was certainly worth the attempt as many wonderful fols have had almost miracle recoveries...Ditto Teasel therapy. We all know the science community, ie FDA is not exactly on our side, until somebody VERY powerful decides to help....Look at Dr. Oz...He was going to do a show & then " mysteriously " changed format to CFS..... Streetsmarts & positive attitudes are much more important in recovery than pure science. Jazzman [ ] Knowledge is power. Hi all! I love to give folks information to let them help themselves whenever possible. So a quick reminder I have a totally free Lyme Computer Resource CD of info I have collected over the past 4 years helping my wife get her Chronic Lyme in remission. See my webpage below. Also I belong to a large number of dealing with Chronic Lyme etc. There are 2 groups that I am seeing the most reports of healing and success. They are the Salt/C group and the Doug Plus (for a rife like machine) groups. They both have a lot of good information following on them and people helping each other. <DougPlus/> DougPlus/ <lymestrategies/> lymestrategies/ www.lyme-resource.com <http://www.lyme-resource.com/> You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 > > We all know the science community, ie FDA is not exactly on our side, until somebody VERY powerful decides to help....Look at Dr. Oz...He was going to do a show & then " mysteriously " changed format to CFS..... > Streetsmarts & positive attitudes are much more important in recovery than pure science. I can assure you that one of the big roadblocks in getting scientists like those from the CDC on our side, is all the nonsense on Lyme message boards. Like people who claim to be cured from deadly Lyme with a few days of MMS, or other miracle treatments. I know this issue is not specific for LD, but there's nothing like the madness going on in the Lyme community. Yes I know, patients are desperate sometimes, but try to imagine what the scientists or burocrats think. Why would they spend time and money on finding a cure for a disease if simple 'rifing' or a few days of swallowing bleach is all it takes to permanently get rid of it? What should they do with people who have 'proven Lyme' and a host of other parasites - proven with some kind of 'bio-resonance' device, while there is absolutely nothing wrong to be found with any of the current medical tests? Yes, Lyme tests are flawed but the good ones from a good lab are pretty reliable. Should we treat everyone, no matter the risks and the cost? I have to talk to the people making the rules, and I can understand that they often don't take Lyme patients serious. Being optimistic is indeed a good approach for your own cure, but being too optimistic about all kinds of miracle treatments is also a sure way to prolong the suffering of Lyme patients worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 jay, are you being sarcastic when you say " if simple 'rifing' or a few days of swallowing bleach is all it takes to permanently get rid of it? " because if this is your true notion then you need to understand that nobody in the " rifing " community believes nor states that it is a simple thing to get rid of chronic lyme. we all know people who have the symptoms of chronic lyme but do not test positive for it. do they have co-infections instead? who knows, but they are suffering and if rifing or mms along with strict diet and detox supplements help people get better then it is a real tragedy that the " medical community " does not recognize treatments that help people get better. janet From: tek0nik@... Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:55:36 +0000 Subject: [ ] Re: Knowledge is power. > > We all know the science community, ie FDA is not exactly on our side, until somebody VERY powerful decides to help....Look at Dr. Oz...He was going to do a show & then " mysteriously " changed format to CFS..... > Streetsmarts & positive attitudes are much more important in recovery than pure science. I can assure you that one of the big roadblocks in getting scientists like those from the CDC on our side, is all the nonsense on Lyme message boards. Like people who claim to be cured from deadly Lyme with a few days of MMS, or other miracle treatments. I know this issue is not specific for LD, but there's nothing like the madness going on in the Lyme community. Yes I know, patients are desperate sometimes, but try to imagine what the scientists or burocrats think. Why would they spend time and money on finding a cure for a disease if simple 'rifing' or a few days of swallowing bleach is all it takes to permanently get rid of it? What should they do with people who have 'proven Lyme' and a host of other parasites - proven with some kind of 'bio-resonance' device, while there is absolutely nothing wrong to be found with any of the current medical tests? Yes, Lyme tests are flawed but the good ones from a good lab are pretty reliable. Should we treat everyone, no matter the risks and the cost? I have to talk to the people making the rules, and I can understand that they often don't take Lyme patients serious. Being optimistic is indeed a good approach for your own cure, but being too optimistic about all kinds of miracle treatments is also a sure way to prolong the suffering of Lyme patients worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 I think you may be overlooking another motivating factor in the industry. Have you seen the movie " Under our Skin " yet? It helps highlight this factor for the last 1/3 of the movie. Or perhaps read the book " Cure unknown: Inside the lyme Epidemic " by Pamela Weintraub? Its called Greed and to some extent Pride. Don't blame the victims please, its not their fault. Look to the ones causing the suffering. www.lyme-resource.com You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > [ ] Re: Knowledge is power. > > > > > > > > > We all know the science community, ie FDA is not exactly on > our side, until somebody VERY powerful decides to > help....Look at Dr. Oz...He was going to do a show & then > " mysteriously " changed format to CFS..... > > Streetsmarts & positive attitudes are much more important > in recovery than pure science. > > > I can assure you that one of the big roadblocks in getting > scientists like those from the CDC on our side, is all the > nonsense on Lyme message boards. Like people who claim to be > cured from deadly Lyme with a few days of MMS, or other > miracle treatments. I know this issue is not specific for LD, > but there's nothing like the madness going on in the Lyme community. > > Yes I know, patients are desperate sometimes, but try to > imagine what the scientists or burocrats think. Why would > they spend time and money on finding a cure for a disease if > simple 'rifing' or a few days of swallowing bleach is all it > takes to permanently get rid of it? > > What should they do with people who have 'proven Lyme' and a > host of other parasites - proven with some kind of > 'bio-resonance' device, while there is absolutely nothing > wrong to be found with any of the current medical tests? Yes, > Lyme tests are flawed but the good ones from a good lab are > pretty reliable. Should we treat everyone, no matter the > risks and the cost? > > I have to talk to the people making the rules, and I can > understand that they often don't take Lyme patients serious. > Being optimistic is indeed a good approach for your own cure, > but being too optimistic about all kinds of miracle > treatments is also a sure way to prolong the suffering of > Lyme patients worldwide. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 > > > jay, are you being sarcastic when you say " if simple 'rifing' or a few days of swallowing bleach is all it takes to permanently get rid of it? yes, I'm playing the devils advocate here. Don't think all these government burocrats and scientists are evil, most of them are just clueless or lazy when it comes to LD. But a few of them will visit the lyme forums and come back with stories for their colleagues; you need just a few people like these (like McSweegan in the US) to get a lot of damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 > > I think you may be overlooking another motivating factor in the industry. > > Its called Greed and to some extent Pride. I fully agree this is a major factor. > Don't blame the victims please, its not their fault. Look to the ones > causing the suffering. There are a lot of snakes oil salesmen and women on the forums, and crazy stories don't really help if you want officials to take LD seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 <There are a lot of snakes oil salesmen and women on the forums, and crazy stories don't really help if you want officials to take LD seriously. For a really brilliant analysis of the truly absurd situation many people infected with tick-born infections find themselves in, read the clinical observations & recommendation of Bernard D. Raxlen, M.D. (Neuropsychiatry Integrative Medicine), founding member of ILADS. You can find it online. He addresses every aspect of dealing with tick-borne infections. The section on the limits of evidence-based medicine is very illuminating as it's from a physician's point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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