Re: FDA Warns Against Miracle Mineral Supplement

[Guest guest]

and the FDA doesn't want us using stevia either. i honestly don't trust the FDA

at all.

~dory - who is new to list and will write an intro.

1 Thessalonians 5:17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for

this is the will of

[Guest guest]

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> and the FDA doesn't want us using stevia either. i honestly don't trust the

FDA at all.

> ~dory - who is new to list and will write an intro.

I think the concerns FDA has for MMS are valid, plenty of evidence for the

risks. Now if the MMS pushers would mention this when they sell this 'miracle

cure', then everybody can decide for themselves if they want to take the risk.

But you have to wonder why the FDA is acting now with MMS, as it has been

marketed for years.

I agree that most of the FDA recommendatons are strongly influenced by Big

Pharma etc. But that doesn't mean all the advice is wrong.

[Guest guest]

i have friends who use MMS. i've considered it myself but haven't tried it yet.

and yes most people who market (that i know of) do explain the chemical

reaction. it is that specific reaction that kills highly metabolic cancer cells

and protozoa. The action of killing cells and protazoa etc converts the chlorine

back into harmless substances.

the majority of people get more chlorine from their drinking water.

~dory

[Guest guest]

>>>>I think the concerns FDA has for MMS are valid, plenty of evidence for the

risks.<<<<

Where is this evidence? The only thing I could find is nausea and diarrhea which

are both explained as possible side effects. Could you please list the places

where there is real evidence so I could do some research ?

Thank You

Mike

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>it is that specific reaction that kills highly metabolic cancer cells and

protozoa. The action of killing cells and protazoa etc converts the chlorine

back into harmless substances.

utter nonsense

[Guest guest]

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> >>>>I think the concerns FDA has for MMS are valid, plenty of evidence for the

risks.<<<<

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> Where is this evidence? The only thing I could find is nausea and diarrhea

which are both explained as possible side effects. Could you please list the

places where there is real evidence so I could do some research ?

or course there is no official risk assessment for MMS, it is not an official

chemical but just a marketing word. But there is loads of info on chlorine

dioxide (or chlorite, which has the same action in the body). One quick google

search or a visit to the library (chemical handbook etc.) will show you all you

need to know.

People working with chlorine dioxide solutions for cleaning etc. (much lower

concentrations than in MMS) have to use all kinds of protection, like special

suits, gloves and masks. Do you think this is to scare the workers and make them

less efficient?

[Guest guest]

i know people taking this by IV. It hasn't harmed them.

From: knot_weed <tek0nik@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: FDA Warns Against " Miracle " Mineral Supplement

Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 4:32 AM

 

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> >>>>I think the concerns FDA has for MMS are valid, plenty of evidence for the

risks.<<<<

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> Where is this evidence? The only thing I could find is nausea and diarrhea

which are both explained as possible side effects. Could you please list the

places where there is real evidence so I could do some research ?

or course there is no official risk assessment for MMS, it is not an official

chemical but just a marketing word. But there is loads of info on chlorine

dioxide (or chlorite, which has the same action in the body). One quick google

search or a visit to the library (chemical handbook etc.) will show you all you

need to know.

People working with chlorine dioxide solutions for cleaning etc. (much lower

concentrations than in MMS) have to use all kinds of protection, like special

suits, gloves and masks. Do you think this is to scare the workers and make them

less efficient?

[Guest guest]

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> i know people taking this by IV. It hasn't harmed them.

that could be, but difficult to know for sure isn't it? I bet no one has really

checked, because it all happens outside the official healthcare system. Did you

know that chlorine dioxide can be neoplastic (carcinogenic) in concentrations

that are way, way lower that what is used with MMS? And that is just one of the

potential 'side effects'.

I would not be surprised if some of the people who are using MMS are the same

who have been opposing use of chlorine dioxide for drinking water purification

for years ...

cure-alls don't exist, and cure-alls that are totally safe are even more

unrealistic.

[Guest guest]

you sound angry. i'm sorry if this subject has triggered unpleasant emotions for

you. i believe the people should have access to whatever health care options

they choose. i believe we should research our own health care options, and make

our own choices. i believe the FDA gets in the way of this process. It is like

laetrile for cancer. can't get it here. but i eat apple seeds to get my own

laetrile. but oh they have cyanide! yes they do. and small doses of cyanide kill

cancer cells. and killing small renegade cancer cells is important to people

especially those of us with immune system dysfunction.

our own government, IDSA, CDC state the chronic lyme does not exists.

(none of us are still infected, we all have post lyme syndrome - ha ha) so why

should i trust the government with any of my health care information?

lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. if the FDA gets its way then we

will no longer have access to herbal remedies unless they go trough the same

expensive process that pharmaceuticals do.

The truth is none of us knows what will cause cancer in our bodies. It is

different for every one. Some people can smoke cigarettes for life and never

have cancer and others never smoke and get lung cancer. Charcoal broiling steaks

makes carcinogens but i don't see the FDA outlawing barbecue grills.  We know

cigarettes cause cancer but i do't see them outlawing cigarettes either. It is

all about money and who has it and who gets it and who can pay off whom.

There is no big lobbying for people with invisible illnesses. We have to be

proactive to keep from having our choices outlawed because big government, big

pharma and others don't want us to have access to low cost effective treatments.

~dory *stepping down from soapbox now*

1 Thessalonians 5:17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for

this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. - NKJV

" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible "

Washington.

From: knot_weed <tek0nik@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: FDA Warns Against " Miracle " Mineral Supplement

Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 2:47 PM

 

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> i know people taking this by IV. It hasn't harmed them.

that could be, but difficult to know for sure isn't it? I bet no one has really

checked, because it all happens outside the official healthcare system. Did you

know that chlorine dioxide can be neoplastic (carcinogenic) in concentrations

that are way, way lower that what is used with MMS? And that is just one of the

potential 'side effects'.

I would not be surprised if some of the people who are using MMS are the same

who have been opposing use of chlorine dioxide for drinking water purification

for years ...

cure-alls don't exist, and cure-alls that are totally safe are even more

unrealistic.

[Guest guest]

I am going to beg to differ a bit. I was a firm disbeliever and skeptic.

Now I understand the healing properties of homemade Colloidal silver. For

myself and my family and a large number of friends locally it has proven to

be an incredible cure all for many things.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

[ ] Re: FDA Warns Against " Miracle " Mineral

Supplement

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> i know people taking this by IV. It hasn't harmed them.

that could be, but difficult to know for sure isn't it? I bet no one has

really checked, because it all happens outside the official healthcare

system. Did you know that chlorine dioxide can be neoplastic (carcinogenic)

in concentrations that are way, way lower that what is used with MMS? And

that is just one of the potential 'side effects'.

I would not be surprised if some of the people who are using MMS are the

same who have been opposing use of chlorine dioxide for drinking water

purification for years ...

cure-alls don't exist, and cure-alls that are totally safe are even more

unrealistic.

------------------------------------

Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its

Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations:

http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

[Guest guest]

Knotweed is very negative.......He analytically destroys every known Lyme remedy

and is doing a disservice to others

Jazzman

[ ] Re: FDA Warns Against " Miracle " Mineral Supplement

Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 2:47 PM

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> i know people taking this by IV. It hasn't harmed them.

that could be, but difficult to know for sure isn't it? I bet no one has really

checked, because it all happens outside the official healthcare system. Did you

know that chlorine dioxide can be neoplastic (carcinogenic) in concentrations

that are way, way lower that what is used with MMS? And that is just one of the

potential 'side effects'.

I would not be surprised if some of the people who are using MMS are the same

who have been opposing use of chlorine dioxide for drinking water purification

for years ...

cure-alls don't exist, and cure-alls that are totally safe are even more

unrealistic.

[Guest guest]

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> you sound angry.

I don't like it if people spread misinformation as if it is solid scientific

fact.

> i believe the people should have access to whatever health care options they

choose. i believe we should research our own health care options, and make our

own choices. i believe the FDA gets in the way of this process.

Agree about free choice, at least as long as society does not have to bear all

the risk if things go wrong. A warning is appropriate for MMS; they are not

talking about a total ban, are they?

> Charcoal broiling steaks makes carcinogens but i don't see the FDA outlawing

barbecue grills.  We know cigarettes cause cancer but i do't see them outlawing

cigarettes either. It is all about money and who has it and who gets it and who

can pay off whom.

But they warn again charcoal, cigarettes etc. I don't see the big difference

with MMS. Some people use cigarettes despite the evident statistical risk. It is

all about informed choice, and the info on the MMS website is extremely biased.

You don't have to 'trust' the evil government regarding warnings against MMS.

Info about risks of chlorine dioxide is very old, it can be found in chemical

handbooks from before the time that Big Pharma called the shots in Whashington

(or Brussels).

[Guest guest]

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> Knotweed is very negative.......He analytically destroys every known Lyme

remedy and is doing a disservice to others

> Jazzman

talk about negative bias ...

I'm just warning against the most obvious hoax treatments. Unfortunately some

people are totally unable to separate fact from fiction.

[Guest guest]

Colloidal silver is touted as a hoax as well and yet it is being used more and

more by LLMDs as an adjunct. Some countries are trying to shut down the

manufacturers of this product and yet you find silver being embedded in bandaids

to help prevent infection, added to humidifiers to control growth of microbes in

water, etc. I bought two silver generators in the event that they take this

away from us too.

We all have heard of the Golden Rule - he who has the gold makes the rules. Big

Pharma has the dollars to lobby against anything that cuts their profits. And

their profits pay taxes to our government. So why should the government listen

to the little guy? Who will replace all those dollars?

deb

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remedy and is doing a disservice to others

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people are totally unable to separate fact from fiction.

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[Guest guest]

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> Colloidal silver is touted as a hoax as well and yet it is being used more and

more by LLMDs as an adjunct. Some countries are trying to shut down the

manufacturers of this product and yet you find silver being embedded in bandaids

to help prevent infection, added to humidifiers to control growth of microbes in

water, etc. I bought two silver generators in the event that they take this

away from us too.

yes, and some of these antibacterial applications mentioned are officially

approved by the evil FDA.

As I have mentioned before, I don't believe in cure-alls and especially not in

cure-alls that are 100% safe, but some CS applications do work (which isn't by

definition the same as kill Borrelia or cure LD).

[Guest guest]

I bought my generator from www.meissnerresearch.com. I also hear that the

silver puppy is a good one. Googling their site, I found

http://www.silvermedicine.org/silverpuppy-generators.html.

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more and more by LLMDs as an adjunct. Some countries are trying to shut down

the manufacturers of this product and yet you find silver being embedded in

bandaids to help prevent infection, added to humidifiers to control growth of

microbes in water, etc. I bought two silver generators in the event that they

take this away from us too.

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[Guest guest]

From my readings I find its interesting that in vitro experiments (i.e. in

labs) CS has been shown to be 100% effective against all bacteria's it was

used against. Also they appear not to be able to evolve a response to it. It

really is amazing stuff.

Viruses of course can be a different story. Supposedly CS will attack cells

that have been taken over by viruses, but I have yet to see any research

backing that up.

My wife has been consuming 12 ounces a day now for a year and half with no

side effects other than good health. We have other friends doing similar

with equal results. I was an extreme skeptic 4 years ago about CS and Rife

etc. I am no longer.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Re: FDA Warns Against " Miracle "

> Mineral Supplement

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> > Colloidal silver is touted as a hoax as well and yet it is

> being used more and more by LLMDs as an adjunct. Some

> countries are trying to shut down the manufacturers of this

> product and yet you find silver being embedded in bandaids to

> help prevent infection, added to humidifiers to control

> growth of microbes in water, etc. I bought two silver

> generators in the event that they take this away from us too.

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> yes, and some of these antibacterial applications mentioned

> are officially approved by the evil FDA.

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> As I have mentioned before, I don't believe in cure-alls and

> especially not in cure-alls that are 100% safe, but some CS

> applications do work (which isn't by definition the same as

> kill Borrelia or cure LD).

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> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

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[Guest guest]

I also use the Meissner generator. Actually have 3 of them running all the

time now. My wife now sells it in her health resource center. It's slow (2-3

days for half a gallon) but makes a quality product. See Meissner's web page

for lab reports on what the generator outputs.

I also have heard good things about the silver puppy. But since the Meissner

works so well for us I have stuck with it.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Re: FDA Warns Against " Miracle "

> Mineral Supplement

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> I bought my generator from www.meissnerresearch.com. I also

> hear that the silver puppy is a good one. Googling their

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> http://www.silvermedicine.org/silverpuppy-generators.html.

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