Re: weight gain - knotweed?

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> I've had a lot of weight issues that I think are lyme related (they don't seem

to be behavior/eating or exercise-habit related). When I finally discovered and

started to treat the lyme my excess weight began to drip off.

for me it is exactly the other way round (I'm male btw, might make a

difference). I was already skinny before I got ill, but due to lyme I went from

about 63 kg to 55 kg when I was really ill. After ABX and Buhner protocol I'm

now back to about 61 kg, but still have obvious issues (very thin skin /

connective tissue layer, muscle loss etc.).

From following the Dutch lyme forum my impression was that most people with

weight issues gain weight after they get Lyme, and a minority has serious weight

loss. This impression might be skewed by gender, because females are more often

affected by lyme (or they have mor problems clearing the infection). Treatment

usually reverses the problem, so I think it is some kind of hormonal (or gut)

issue that is disturbed by Lyme.

I don't have the impression that this is related to knotweed (because many

people have these issues with ABX as well), but agree there might be some direct

effect of knotweed for some.

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An acquaintance who has had long-term Lyme had the same issue and told me about

a product by isagenix.com that she was using to detox and lose weight. This is

probably multi-level marketing so I can't say whether this will help or not but

you might want to look into it. I personally have not had the weight gain; more

often periods of weight loss.

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> I know we are all different with our symptoms, etc., but is anyone else

experiencing weight gain on the core protocol that they might attribute to

perhaps the knotweed?

> I've had a lot of weight issues that I think are lyme related (they don't seem

to be behavior/eating or exercise-habit related). When I finally discovered and

started to treat the lyme my excess weight began to drip off. I took this as a

sign that the infection was being addressed, and so the lipophilic nature of the

bug might be challenged, resulting in weight loss (no, not scientific, just

observation and hypothesis).

> Anyway, I've now added the core protocol and notice the scale going up up up.

Anyone else having something like this? I have read knotweed is slightly

estrogenic. I'm also thinking perhaps I need to detox a little more to flush

out some of the die-off.

> Ideas? Experiences?

> Thanks!

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I came to a Lyme disease diagnosis by way of hormonal, adrenal and thyroid

problems.

For 5 years I gained a pound a month regardless of diet or exercise. (During

three of those years I went from a white belt to brown senior belt in Tae Kwon

Do- so I really was working out) Eventually I realized that my basic biology

wasn't functioning and contacted Dr R out at NIHA.

After 6 weeks on the Buhner protocol I lost eight pounds, but now it seems to be

creeping back.

Initially, I thought my adrenals were functioning better, allowing my thyroid to

increase my metabolic rate. The last two months I have needed an awful lot of

progesterone cream to alleviate pms symptoms. Not really sure what is going on

now. Hoping to ride this out until my next discussion with Dr. R.

[ ] Re: weight gain - knotweed?

An acquaintance who has had long-term Lyme had the same issue and told me about

a product by isagenix.com that she was using to detox and lose weight. This is

probably multi-level marketing so I can't say whether this will help or not but

you might want to look into it. I personally have not had the weight gain; more

often periods of weight loss.

>

>

> I know we are all different with our symptoms, etc., but is anyone else

experiencing weight gain on the core protocol that they might attribute to

perhaps the knotweed?

> I've had a lot of weight issues that I think are lyme related (they don't seem

to be behavior/eating or exercise-habit related). When I finally discovered and

started to treat the lyme my excess weight began to drip off. I took this as a

sign that the infection was being addressed, and so the lipophilic nature of the

bug might be challenged, resulting in weight loss (no, not scientific, just

observation and hypothesis).

> Anyway, I've now added the core protocol and notice the scale going up up up.

Anyone else having something like this? I have read knotweed is slightly

estrogenic. I'm also thinking perhaps I need to detox a little more to flush

out some of the die-off.

> Ideas? Experiences?

> Thanks!

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that's similar to my history, km. I think on top of the hormonal stuff, it is

believed (or I have read) that the toxins Bb produces are fat soluble, and I

know with other fat soluble toxins (like heavy metals) your body will try to

trap it by creating more fat. I've only been on the Buhner protocol for a

month, so will be interesting to see what happens.

From: kmanguish@...

Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:05 -0400

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: weight gain - knotweed?

I came to a Lyme disease diagnosis by way of hormonal, adrenal and thyroid

problems.

For 5 years I gained a pound a month regardless of diet or exercise. (During

three of those years I went from a white belt to brown senior belt in Tae Kwon

Do- so I really was working out) Eventually I realized that my basic biology

wasn't functioning and contacted Dr R out at NIHA.

After 6 weeks on the Buhner protocol I lost eight pounds, but now it seems to be

creeping back.

Initially, I thought my adrenals were functioning better, allowing my thyroid to

increase my metabolic rate. The last two months I have needed an awful lot of

progesterone cream to alleviate pms symptoms. Not really sure what is going on

now. Hoping to ride this out until my next discussion with Dr. R.

[Guest guest]

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> I think on top of the hormonal stuff, it is believed (or I have read) that the

toxins Bb produces are fat soluble, and I know with other fat soluble toxins

(like heavy metals) your body will try to trap it by creating more fat.

There is no definite proof yet of Bb neurotoxins etc., but some Bb breakdown

products will be a bit toxic to us anyway because they are very different from

our own building blocks. Yes, most of these would be stored (trapped) in fat

tissue / connective tissue.

btw, do people gain weight when they have heavy metal poisoning? I never heard

about this.

Your suggestion is funny, because I was making the opposite assumption regarding

my weight loss

If toxins are stored in fat tissue, then by eliminating fat the toxins are

removed from the body. So weight loss might be a clever strategy of the body to

eliminate the problem for good (while 'trapping' is more of a stopgat, not a

permanent solution).

Of course with weight loss you temporarily have a higher toxin load in the blood

(causes herxing?). And your gut, bile etc. needs to be functioning otherwise you

don't really get rid of the toxins.

maybe both strategies apply depending on the individual situation. Or maybe it

is just some random event caused by hormonal fluctuations - we know that Bb

messes with all these things.

[Guest guest]

Yes I bet it's very individual. For me, I discovered lyme b/c I was having all

sorts of hormonal problems. The nearest I could figure out, it seemed like my

body was intentionally decreasing my metabolism to below normal (looking at

things like thyroid hormones with and without supplementation, pituitary,

adrenals, etc.).

My ND at the time mentioned that for people who don't detoxify well, the body

can down regulate as a way of keeping this stuff from floating around and not

getting dealt with. Some people treat things like heavy metal overload by

giving LOTS of health fats, things like ground flaxseed in the diet to help move

it through, or even some of the fat-trapping diet pills... so the idea is the

toxins migrate from body fat tissue into the dietary fats, then get captured and

eliminated so they are not reabsorbed in the intestines. It makes sense to me

same might be true for a lipophilic microbe??

I have not seen research on this, but it makes sense from an observational

standpoint, to me/for me. And I noticed as I treat the Bb infection my

metabolism-related labs, and metabolic symptoms, improve. Until this recent

weight re-gain. It's not like a pound a month that could be explained by an

extra ice-cream or two. It's more like half a pound to a pound a day... there

is no way I am suddenly consuming and not burning that amount of calories.

From: tek0nik@...

Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:47:17 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: weight gain - knotweed?

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> I think on top of the hormonal stuff, it is believed (or I have read) that the

toxins Bb produces are fat soluble, and I know with other fat soluble toxins

(like heavy metals) your body will try to trap it by creating more fat.

There is no definite proof yet of Bb neurotoxins etc., but some Bb breakdown

products will be a bit toxic to us anyway because they are very different from

our own building blocks. Yes, most of these would be stored (trapped) in fat

tissue / connective tissue.

btw, do people gain weight when they have heavy metal poisoning? I never heard

about this.

Your suggestion is funny, because I was making the opposite assumption regarding

my weight loss

If toxins are stored in fat tissue, then by eliminating fat the toxins are

removed from the body. So weight loss might be a clever strategy of the body to

eliminate the problem for good (while 'trapping' is more of a stopgat, not a

permanent solution).

Of course with weight loss you temporarily have a higher toxin load in the blood

(causes herxing?). And your gut, bile etc. needs to be functioning otherwise you

don't really get rid of the toxins.

maybe both strategies apply depending on the individual situation. Or maybe it

is just some random event caused by hormonal fluctuations - we know that Bb

messes with all these things.

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It's more like half a pound to a pound a day... there is no way I am suddenly

consuming and not burning that amount of calories.

that sounds pretty extreme; isn't that due to water retention or something?

[Guest guest]

Probably... that's why I'm wondering about the knotweed. I'm going to keep

tracking and see where it goes.

From: tek0nik@...

Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:20:53 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: weight gain - knotweed?

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It's more like half a pound to a pound a day... there is no way I am suddenly

consuming and not burning that amount of calories.

that sounds pretty extreme; isn't that due to water retention or something?