Re:Upset at my doctors

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Hey ya'll:

I am a newbie. I am somewhat knowledgeable in alternative medicine though.

I have ordered Cat's Claw, but I haven't used it yet. I am currently

de-worming with a black walnut hull formula and I say it is making me feel

better.

Anyhow, I was wondering about the cat's claw. What kind of success are

ya'll having with it, and what else are you taking with it to keep down yeast

and

any other bad effects from it.

Heidi

[Guest guest]

Pam, One of the benefits, in my opinion, of the herbal protocol is that

we dont' have to deal with doctors! Of course, I'm not saying that

having a good doctor is not a good thing, a very good thing, but there

isn't that 'gate keeper' to getting herbs and using the book and other

sources of info to treat oneself. I'm not recommending that you abandon

your doctor; please dont' get that idea. I see two, though I self direct

a lot of my treatment.

Why are you retesting at IGenX if you have already gotten positive tests

otherwise? The co-infections? Not challenging you, just wondering. I

faced this myself recently. I did go ahead and retest, though I've been

told that the antibodies stay in the blood even if the infection is

eradicated. But I tested negative to coinfections last time so am

especially interesetd in what comes back this time.

Best wishes, jo

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Pam,

It seems hard to find a doctor who can deal with a well informed patient. I

have been known to be looked at as a know it all. I think what happens is it

hurts their feelings when you do not have blind trust in them and ask for

specific tests and medications, they feel like you are undermining their

professional knowledge. Also besides the Igenex lab testing you should get the

PCR and

C6 peptide tests. The seem to be most accurate in detecting Lyme.

Hope you can convince your docs to give you what you need. They should

remember you are a paying customer. Good luck.

Dagmar

(Ps: I trust no Doctors anymore. Lol)

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> Pam,

>

> It seems hard to find a doctor who can deal with a well informed

patient. I

> have been known to be looked at as a know it all. I think what

happens is it

> hurts their feelings when you do not have blind trust in them and

ask for

> specific tests and medications, they feel like you are undermining

their

> professional knowledge. Also besides the Igenex lab testing you

should get the PCR and

> C6 peptide tests. The seem to be most accurate in detecting Lyme.

> Hope you can convince your docs to give you what you need. They should

> remember you are a paying customer. Good luck.

> Dagmar

> (Ps: I trust no Doctors anymore. Lol)

> Well put, Dagmar, and the longer you have an unsolved illness, the

more you read to try to help yourself and so the problem of coming

across as a know-it-all increases too.

Of course, as well as feeling subtly criticised or threatened, doctors

can also, I think, feel irritated by our 'partial' knowledge, that is,

we may have a lot of information, some worthwhile, some not, on parts

of OUR condition, but without a broad medical background .

Of course, the problems of retention and brain fog don't help some of

us to put our case well either!

regards,

Carolyn

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Dagmar said:

" it hurts their feelings when you do not have blind trust in them and

ask for specific tests and medications, they feel like you are

undermining their professional knowledge. "

Exactly what happened to me.

Very early on in my diagnosis, I asked my doctor to give me a test for

babesia. I had the horrible night sweats, and lucky for me, a support

group I was attending at the time, immediately told me it was babesia,

and I did some research and concluded they were right. Otherwise, I

would never have connected night sweats to the tick bite.

Neither would my doctor. When I asked him for the test, he fired me! I

was really stunned. He told me I should find another doctor. Turns out

he thought I shouldn't have asked for the test - I was being, as you

said, Dagmar, a " know-it-all " by assuming I knew what was wrong. The

effrontery of me!

Instead, he said, I should have told him, " Oh, Mr. God Doctor, I have

these horrible night sweats and I don't know what they are and can you

in your godliness tell little old stupid me what they are. "

Imagine! If I had done that, he would still be testing me (one year

later) trying to find out what was causing the night sweats, because I

can guarantee he doesn't know about babesia.

[i did manage to get into his good graces again. He is a doctor who

will meet me at this office any time of day or night if I am sick.

I've even been told he does house calls, altho I've never requested

that. So I try to keep him around for emergencies.]

In a way, the public at large is responsible for this situation (all

of us) because for decades we have allowed them to think they *are*

god. I think this is slowly changing. I read in a couple of places

that as many people visit alternative doctors as visit conventional

doctors. (in USA). Alt.docs are generally less arrogant. generally.

And I absolutely agree with the poster who said -if we can heal

ourselves, to whatever extent we can, we don't have to lean on docs.

ellen

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> Pam,

>

> It seems hard to find a doctor who can deal with a well informed

patient. I

> have been known to be looked at as a know it all. I think what

happens is it

> hurts their feelings when you do not have blind trust in them and

ask for

> specific tests and medications, they feel like you are undermining

their

> professional knowledge. Also besides the Igenex lab testing you

should get the PCR and

> C6 peptide tests. The seem to be most accurate in detecting Lyme.

> Hope you can convince your docs to give you what you need. They should

> remember you are a paying customer. Good luck.

> Dagmar

> (Ps: I trust no Doctors anymore. Lol)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Question: " Do you know the difference between God and a Doctor??? "

Answer " " GOD knows HE is not a Doctor!!! "

I have shared this with a few of my doctors who actually DO know

that they are not God, and they know which of their collegues who

really think that they are!

> >

> > Pam,

> >

> > It seems hard to find a doctor who can deal with a well informed

> patient. I

> > have been known to be looked at as a know it all. I think what

> happens is it

> > hurts their feelings when you do not have blind trust in them and

> ask for

> > specific tests and medications, they feel like you are

undermining

> their

> > professional knowledge. Also besides the Igenex lab testing you

> should get the PCR and

> > C6 peptide tests. The seem to be most accurate in detecting

Lyme.

> > Hope you can convince your docs to give you what you need. They

should

> > remember you are a paying customer. Good luck.

> > Dagmar

> > (Ps: I trust no Doctors anymore. Lol)

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the

> all-new AOL at

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[Guest guest]

Dear Heidi,

I did fine on Cat's Claw, but it didn't seem to make much of a difference for

me.

However, my husband got bad tendonitis. I was researching this, and several

people on the Lymenet site had this problem and associated it with taking cat's

claw. My husband stopped taking the cat's claw, and the tendonitis got better.

Some people say that cat's claw has the same alkaloids in it as an antibiotic

that is known to cause tendonitis in a percentage of people. (sorry for the

generalities here, but I can't recall the name of the antibiotic right off or

how frequent this side effect is). However, Buhner says in Healing Lyme that

the alkaloids are NOT the same--it's in the chapter on cat's claw near the end.

Be that as it may, a very few people apparently have this adverse reaction to

cat's claw by testimony from personal experience, so that's something you should

be aware of.

Best,

Cass A

[Guest guest]

Dear Cass A:

Thanks for telling me; I already have tendenitis.

Heidi