Re: HRT and LD, female hormones and XMRV virus

[Guest guest]

Hi ladies,

I've been one who always thought my female hormones made me feel somewhat worse,

so much so I had my ovaries out 6 years ago!.  But I also knew I feel worse in

other ways without them.  Kind of half and half.  I could never ever explain

this!!

Learning I have late stage LD last summer answered alot of things, but not

this.  I had read in a lyme post that the brain without female hormones was

like throwing bleach on the brain!  They are supposed to be necesssary and I

was baffled!

I have narrowed down 2 possible reasons they made me feel somewhat worse. 

Estrogen, which I felt had the worst effect is very stimulating and increased my

anxiety alot.  Major panic was my constant companion.    It increases

glutamate reception in the brain, as does  the major lyme biotoxin, ammonia. 

I was also a high aromatizer, meaning too much of my progesterone would turn

into estrogen, which all estrogen is made from progesterone.  A supplement

chrysin was block this and also vitex chasteberry herb can help keep a better

balance.  The conversion is done in fat cells, the more fat, the more likely it

is to happen, which is a terrible vicious cycle, as estrogen causes more fat to

be stored!!  (just like it's purpose in raising cattle!  lol) 

The second thing seems most  likely. Two weeks ago, someone posted about the

XMRV virus.   This post below and many others, if you search the words XMRV

and hormones, show that any hormones, especially cortisol, androgens and female

ones, will cause multiplication of XMRV.  It was found in the most the chronic

fatigue patients tested.  Extreme fatigue is a major symptom for me, so this

really caught my attention!!!  I am back taking some small doses of all and

trying to take some natural antivirals.  I really think this may be the

underlying problem, as every day after I take these hormones I feel better and

worse somehow!  Though I think better is outweighing the worse somewhat so I am

taking low doses and may up it soon.  I cannot go lower on my cortisol as it

helps me so much as my body makes very little on its own. 

Glad you started this thread.

Take care!

Debbie

http://livingwithchronicfatiguesyndrome.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/xmrv-and-me/

Re: [ ] HRT and LD

  hi Maud,

 

thanky ou for your posts Having a hard day today after the epinephrine in

the dental shot for my 5 fillings. i also have had to be off my herbs for 3 days

because of doing a stool culture and saliva tests. I don't have any mood swings

or hot flashes due to menopause at all. On good lyme days I even have a libido.I

have not been on HRT for 18 months now and maintain a very strict diet, rest and

mild excercise while supporting my adrenals. the ND told me that maybe adding

the hormones would help my sleep etc. but upon taking them Thursday night my

heart was racing, I vomited 3 times, my breasts hurt real bad and I was tossing

and turning all night. They are both tiny little doses and I know there is an

adjustment period, but I just felt so very horrible. Im wondering if I should

try it again for 2 consecutive days, but I don't know. I am just really confused

right now and a little down(Im assuming because I have not taken my herbs in a

few days). I read

all over the place that post menopausal women without proper hormone ratios

have a harder time with lyme and treatment which is why I agreed to do them. I

am going to get a massage now and meditate hoping it helps. Thank you so very

much for all of your help.

 

Love and Light

& gt; 

& gt; Hi Again

& gt; 

& gt; So I had a total hysterectomy in 2001 for stage 1 ovarian cancer and

Endometriosis. Then I had what I thought was a hard time with bioidentical HRT,

but now know it was the LD. I then had a doctor who gave me the up and coming

" pellets " of hormones implanted in my hip. He never 1 time in 5 years took my

hormone levels even though I kept asking. He said he didnt need to because they

would only release as much as my body needed. I had no money and no insurance to

go elsewhere so I trusted he knew what he was doing. The pellets were supposed

to last 4-6 months but I went in every month with what I though were menopause

symptoms. I now know they were Bart symptoms. He kept giving me more pellets

every month.

& gt; 

& gt; When I started having low thyroid symptoms and adrenal issues I begged him

to please draw all the specialty thyroid tests. He did and I was Hypo with

reverse T3 syndrome. Armed with this diagnosis I found a specialist and spent my

life saving seeing them for 3 years. They are the ones who missed the lyme

diagnosis even though they also see Lyme patients as Endocrinologists who

specialize in Bio Hormones/Endocrine and Auto Immune diseases. When they drew my

hormone levels my estrogen was 2,487 and normal range is 70-200. It took me 11

months to crash off of all that estrogen and testosterone.

& gt; 

& gt; I was then terrified to take any hormones because when i did my head would

hurt and I felt like poison was running through my veins (It was the LD reacting

to it). So fast forward to today since my LD diagnosis. My LLND wanted me to

take a very small dose to help my body be more stable going thorugh this. So I

got the creams and I tried the tiny bit night before last and my Bart symptoms

flared real bad and I was terrified. Does anyone know if this might settle down

as my body adjusts to the chemical change? Will it make more bugs? I hear such

conflicting reports as to weather we need them or not. I had been HRT free for

18 months before this. Sorry so long I am just a little confused. Thank you for

any advice.

& gt; 

& gt; Blessings

& gt;

& gt;

& gt;

[Guest guest]

> The second thing seems most  likely. Two weeks ago, someone posted about the

XMRV virus.   This post below and many others, if you search the words XMRV

and hormones, show that any hormones, especially cortisol, androgens and female

ones, will cause multiplication of XMRV.  It was found in the most the chronic

fatigue patients tested.  Extreme fatigue is a major symptom for me, so this

really caught my attention!!!  I am back taking some small doses of all and

trying to take some natural antivirals.

We don't know if XMRV causes CFS or chronic fatigue in general; I doubt it,

definitely too early to tell. If it really is the cause it will be difficult to

get rid of, because normal antivirals do very little against retroviruses.

>   I really think this may be the underlying problem, as every day after I

take these hormones I feel better and worse somehow!

(I'm not female but responding anyway ...)

yes, I think for women the hormones are an additional problem; they have

fluctuations in immunity and inflammation as a result of the hormone cycles. For

most 'auto-immune' diseases and chronic Lyme as well, the majority of patients

are female.