OT: re: C diff

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Regarding how long c diff spores stay alive:

C-difficile produces spores when attacked by antibiotics. The spores can

live in the open air or in dirt for up to two years. Normal disinfectants

have been shown ineffective against the spores. This means that even if

you kill the C-dif bacteria, spores can still be present. When the

leftover spores detect an attack from conventional antibiotics, it unmasks

the spores and causes them to start producing the C-dif bacteria all over

again. This is why you can get rid of the symptoms while on the medicine

and it can come right back later.

From:

Peggy Janousky <jemmybear@...>

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Date:

09/16/2010 09:11 AM

Subject:

[ ] Re: C Diff

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Hi,

I did not get a chance to see the original post, but I have a lot of

experience with Cdiff. Both of my elderly parents have passed this

nasty infection back and forth several times. It is very aggressive

and can be life threatening.

Diarrhea, stomach pain, weight loss, and nausea are all big symptoms.

Antibiotic use is usually a precursor although not if you contracted it

from someone else.

For my mom the diarrhea was profuse. She had several in the span of an

hour. She got dehydrated and weak.

There are several things that do help. Allimed( a powerful garlic

extract) is good for cdiff. Culturelle(2 per day) and florastor( up

to 6 per day) show effectiveness against cdiff. Personally I would

combine the 2 because my parents did not clear the cdiff with just

florastor as their probiotic. My mom is doing significantly better on

the culturelle/florastor combo,

Cholestyramine is also good for cdiff. It helps to bind the toxins out

of your system. It is a script, but it is non antibiotic.

I agree with the kefir suggestion as well. Kefir is very powerful and

great against many gut infections. Be careful with the probotics and

kefir though. You can get die off and diarrhea form them when you first

start building up. It can be a catch twenty two.

Hope that this helps. If you are really ill, do not try to avoid the

ER or antibiotics. I have seen cdiff almost kill my parents. It is not

something to be taken lightly.

Peggy

P.S. Spores can live on surfaces for weeks. Alcohol based cleaners to

not touch it. Although I am not a fan of bleach. It is necessary to

scour all hard surfaces to prevent reinfection.

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>

> C-difficile produces spores when attacked by antibiotics.

> ...

> When the leftover spores detect an attack from conventional antibiotics, it

unmasks the spores and causes them to start producing the C-dif bacteria all

over again.

you are saying that ABX causes C-diff to produce spores, AND that ABX causes

spores to produce C-dif. I think something is mixed up here.