Re: Blood in stool concern

[Guest guest]

in my personal opinion i would go to ER for blood in the stool!!! i know

that is not the best place to be for lyme but there might be something just

as serious going on. blood in the stool is never a good sign of anything.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM, skrobison@... <

shannontex6@...> wrote:

>

>

> Our son (you know the 15 yo one I continue to post about), has had blood in

> his stool (not fissures) off and on over the last few days.

> Besides the chronic fatigue that has been pretty much 3 solid days now with

> an hour or 2 of him being up, he is experiencing low grade fever which

> includes low grade headaches in the afternoons with sweating, though his

> hands and feet are clammy and ice cold. He is not chilled he said.

>

> He is still in a mental 'fog' as he describes it and even when he is awake

> is having great difficulty attending to any of his school subjects.

>

> I moved our son up to 300mg per day today of doxy and will be moving him to

> more in the next few days to be in line with the ILDS until we can get him

> into an LLMD. We are almost certain we will be traveling to California to

> see a particular LLMD. I will know more soon. In the meantime, I am

> documenting everything and upping the doxy while continuing the full

> throttle max-Buhner protocol at the same time.

>

> I have not read anything on bloody stool though. Any thoughts on that one

> will be appreciated.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

always a concern....

taking it with food right..gosh maybe get some physician advice..sorry not a

good sign..i do not think

From: shannontex6@...

Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:46:49 +0000

Subject: [ ] Blood in stool concern

Our son (you know the 15 yo one I continue to post about), has had blood in his

stool (not fissures) off and on over the last few days.

Besides the chronic fatigue that has been pretty much 3 solid days now with an

hour or 2 of him being up, he is experiencing low grade fever which includes low

grade headaches in the afternoons with sweating, though his hands and feet are

clammy and ice cold. He is not chilled he said.

He is still in a mental 'fog' as he describes it and even when he is awake is

having great difficulty attending to any of his school subjects.

I moved our son up to 300mg per day today of doxy and will be moving him to more

in the next few days to be in line with the ILDS until we can get him into an

LLMD. We are almost certain we will be traveling to California to see a

particular LLMD. I will know more soon. In the meantime, I am documenting

everything and upping the doxy while continuing the full throttle max-Buhner

protocol at the same time.

I have not read anything on bloody stool though. Any thoughts on that one will

be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

I have a 16 y/o dtr who periodically has had blood in her stools. It is bright

red and is ON the stool and on her tissue when she wipes. She has been dx'd with

eosinophilic gastroenteritis in 08. I always knew something was driving that

dx, even though the GI clinic at the children's hospital does not see it that

way. She has had to take meds to control symptoms. When I was dx'd with lyme,

our MD wanted to see her, saying that all of his pt's that have had eos

disorders test positive for lyme, and indeed, she did.

I have had 2 pediatric GI docs, a pediatrician, and GI ARNP assert that her

blood is probably from fissures which are caused by hard stools/constipation.

When she was scoped in 08, they saw no lesions. Visual exams never revealed

fissures, but they heal up very quickly so by the time I would get her in they

probably healed.

The GI clinic told me that if the blood persists, they would want to scope her

again. When she has is periodically, if I question her, I will find out that

indeed, she has been constipated, has at some time that week strained, and

probably had a rectal tear/fissure. If she does not go for 1 day, she knows to

take a dose of Miralax to soften the stool. 2 days of constipation will lead to

abdominal pain and nausea.

It is disconcerting, and I feel badly for her that at a time in her life in

which she would REALLY rather to not be talking to her mom about bowel habits

and poop, she has to. The GI clinic and myself have finally convinced her that

yes, mom DOES need to know these things as it could be a sign of something more

serious.

But I do know that for her, it is not something to worry about unless it would

become a persistent thing. Talking to the dr's and at least having them look at

her was what gave me peace of mind.

Bright red indicates the blood is from further down in the colon, closer to the

rectum. Dark red (burgundy/blackish) is old blood, from higher up in the colon.

Hope this helps.

Take care,

>

> Our son (you know the 15 yo one I continue to post about), has had blood in

his stool (not fissures) off and on over the last few days.

> Besides the chronic fatigue that has been pretty much 3 solid days now with an

hour or 2 of him being up, he is experiencing low grade fever which includes low

grade headaches in the afternoons with sweating, though his hands and feet are

clammy and ice cold. He is not chilled he said.

>

> He is still in a mental 'fog' as he describes it and even when he is awake is

having great difficulty attending to any of his school subjects.

>

> I moved our son up to 300mg per day today of doxy and will be moving him to

more in the next few days to be in line with the ILDS until we can get him into

an LLMD. We are almost certain we will be traveling to California to see a

particular LLMD. I will know more soon. In the meantime, I am documenting

everything and upping the doxy while continuing the full throttle max-Buhner

protocol at the same time.

>

> I have not read anything on bloody stool though. Any thoughts on that one will

be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

My son battled lyme for many years during his teen years. One of his

biggest symptoms was blood in his stool. He was on oral abx for many years

and he eventually we went to a lyme literate gastroenterologist who

biopsied his colon and stomach and confirmed a positive lyme and mycoplasma

infection via PCR (which actually finds the DNA). This positive PCR enabled

him to be treated with IV antibiotics, (the insurance company agreed to

cover the cost for 4 weeks, which we were able to get extended to 6 weeks.

The bleeding stopped as his lyme and mycoplasma improved. I understand this

is a more common symptoms in teens and younger children with lyme.

Good luck.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Does he have a Gi complaints with the bloody stool? If he does talk to your PCP

becuase he might have some GI problems...I have same problems and I end up

having gallbladder sludge, Pancreas and liver problems. I was put on Wellcholl

and Cholastaramine. but for the eman time call your PCP becuase prolonged use of

antibiotics hurst our organs. I was alos put on Prolosec to help eleviates the

stomach pain.

Im so sorry about your son, I have an 8 yewar old daughter who also has Lyme.

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From: " skrobison@... " <shannontex6@...>

Sent: Tue, October 26, 2010 5:46:49 PM

Subject: [ ] Blood in stool concern

Our son (you know the 15 yo one I continue to post about), has had blood in his

stool (not fissures) off and on over the last few days.

Besides the chronic fatigue that has been pretty much 3 solid days now with an

hour or 2 of him being up, he is experiencing low grade fever which includes low

grade headaches in the afternoons with sweating, though his hands and feet are

clammy and ice cold. He is not chilled he said.

He is still in a mental 'fog' as he describes it and even when he is awake is

having great difficulty attending to any of his school subjects.

I moved our son up to 300mg per day today of doxy and will be moving him to more

in the next few days to be in line with the ILDS until we can get him into an

LLMD. We are almost certain we will be traveling to California to see a

particular LLMD. I will know more soon. In the meantime, I am documenting

everything and upping the doxy while continuing the full throttle max-Buhner

protocol at the same time.

I have not read anything on bloody stool though. Any thoughts on that one will

be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

I am new to this group, but wanted to chime in - as an infant, my son began

having blood in his stool - after months of testing, it was found to be a colyn

polyp and it was removed. I think if the blood was accompanied by diarrhea and

stomach pain, it would be more parasitic in nature too as we have seen that

after travelling to another country, here in our house. It could be a small

polyp, or from the constipation, or both. If it is alot, Iron may be low, my

sons was very low so, something to think about.

> >

> > Our son (you know the 15 yo one I continue to post about), has had blood in

his stool (not fissures) off and on over the last few days.

> > Besides the chronic fatigue that has been pretty much 3 solid days now with

an hour or 2 of him being up, he is experiencing low grade fever which includes

low grade headaches in the afternoons with sweating, though his hands and feet

are clammy and ice cold. He is not chilled he said.

> >

> > He is still in a mental 'fog' as he describes it and even when he is awake

is having great difficulty attending to any of his school subjects.

> >

> > I moved our son up to 300mg per day today of doxy and will be moving him to

more in the next few days to be in line with the ILDS until we can get him into

an LLMD. We are almost certain we will be traveling to California to see a

particular LLMD. I will know more soon. In the meantime, I am documenting

everything and upping the doxy while continuing the full throttle max-Buhner

protocol at the same time.

> >

> > I have not read anything on bloody stool though. Any thoughts on that one

will be appreciated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There is a supplement by allergy research called Phloe. It is derived

from kiwis so if you are kiwi sensitive this would not be a good

choice. Phloe helps the GI tract with both constipation and diarrhea.

It is an amazing product. I have been on it for awhile and have found

it to be helpful. My son was on it for awhile for constipation and it

worked just as well for him. It is a natural alternative to chemically

based stool softeners. It is also gentle as opposed to some herbals

that can actually irritate the GI tract. The company markets it for

irritable bowel as well. You need to take it on an empty stomach for it

to be effective.

Hope this helps.

Peggy

[Guest guest]

I like this product for help with constipation. It's NOT a magnesium supplement

and it's not habit forming. I started out using it everyday and now I only use

it about once a week.

http://www.iherb.com/Aerobic-Life-Mag-O7-180-Capsules/17762?at=0

Connie

[ ] Re: Blood in stool concern

Hi ,

There is a supplement by allergy research called Phloe. It is derived

from kiwis so if you are kiwi sensitive this would not be a good

choice. Phloe helps the GI tract with both constipation and diarrhea.

It is an amazing product. I have been on it for awhile and have found

it to be helpful. My son was on it for awhile for constipation and it

worked just as well for him. It is a natural alternative to chemically

based stool softeners. It is also gentle as opposed to some herbals

that can actually irritate the GI tract. The company markets it for

irritable bowel as well. You need to take it on an empty stomach for it

to be effective.

Hope this helps.

Peggy

[Guest guest]

Forgive me if you already know this (I'm new to the list) but Doxy is

hard on the GI tract. You might want to consider stopping or at least

reducing the doxy since you are also using the Buhner protocol. The

blood is probably from the Lyme but could be aggravated by the doxy?

Unless the bleeding is continuous, extremely dark, I would think and ER

would be a bit excessive since we know Lyme can do this and he will be

seeing a LLMD soon? Keep a sharp eye on it though... That's what I would

do anyway...

Jen

On 10/26/2010 5:46 PM, skrobison@... wrote:

>

> Our son (you know the 15 yo one I continue to post about), has had

> blood in his stool (not fissures) off and on over the last few days.

> Besides the chronic fatigue that has been pretty much 3 solid days now

> with an hour or 2 of him being up, he is experiencing low grade fever

> which includes low grade headaches in the afternoons with sweating,

> though his hands and feet are clammy and ice cold. He is not chilled

> he said.

>

> He is still in a mental 'fog' as he describes it and even when he is

> awake is having great difficulty attending to any of his school subjects.

>

> I moved our son up to 300mg per day today of doxy and will be moving

> him to more in the next few days to be in line with the ILDS until we

> can get him into an LLMD. We are almost certain we will be traveling

> to California to see a particular LLMD. I will know more soon. In the

> meantime, I am documenting everything and upping the doxy while

> continuing the full throttle max-Buhner protocol at the same time.

>

> I have not read anything on bloody stool though. Any thoughts on that

> one will be appreciated.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i have never heard so far that lyme can cause blood in the stools.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:58 PM, <jenuhferr@...> wrote:

>

>

> Forgive me if you already know this (I'm new to the list) but Doxy is

> hard on the GI tract. You might want to consider stopping or at least

> reducing the doxy since you are also using the Buhner protocol. The

> blood is probably from the Lyme but could be aggravated by the doxy?

> Unless the bleeding is continuous, extremely dark, I would think and ER

> would be a bit excessive since we know Lyme can do this and he will be

> seeing a LLMD soon? Keep a sharp eye on it though... That's what I would

> do anyway...

>

> Jen

>

> On 10/26/2010 5:46 PM, skrobison@...

<skrobison%40sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> >

> > Our son (you know the 15 yo one I continue to post about), has had

> > blood in his stool (not fissures) off and on over the last few days.

> > Besides the chronic fatigue that has been pretty much 3 solid days now

> > with an hour or 2 of him being up, he is experiencing low grade fever

> > which includes low grade headaches in the afternoons with sweating,

> > though his hands and feet are clammy and ice cold. He is not chilled

> > he said.

> >

> > He is still in a mental 'fog' as he describes it and even when he is

> > awake is having great difficulty attending to any of his school subjects.

> >

> > I moved our son up to 300mg per day today of doxy and will be moving

> > him to more in the next few days to be in line with the ILDS until we

> > can get him into an LLMD. We are almost certain we will be traveling

> > to California to see a particular LLMD. I will know more soon. In the

> > meantime, I am documenting everything and upping the doxy while

> > continuing the full throttle max-Buhner protocol at the same time.

> >

> > I have not read anything on bloody stool though. Any thoughts on that

> > one will be appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I previously posted that my son did have blood in his stool, which was from

the lyme. It was confirmed when his gastro biopsied portions of his stomach

and colon and it tested positive for lyme and mycoplasma by PCR testing.

The bleeding stopped after he received treatment from the lyme.

Re: [ ] Blood in stool concern

i have never heard so far that lyme can cause blood in the stools.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:58 PM, <jenuhferr@...> wrote:

>

>

> Forgive me if you already know this (I'm new to the list) but Doxy is

> hard on the GI tract. You might want to consider stopping or at least

> reducing the doxy since you are also using the Buhner protocol. The

> blood is probably from the Lyme but could be aggravated by the doxy?

> Unless the bleeding is continuous, extremely dark, I would think and ER

> would be a bit excessive since we know Lyme can do this and he will be

> seeing a LLMD soon? Keep a sharp eye on it though... That's what I would

> do anyway...

>

> Jen

>

> On 10/26/2010 5:46 PM, skrobison@...

<skrobison%40sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> >

> > Our son (you know the 15 yo one I continue to post about), has had

> > blood in his stool (not fissures) off and on over the last few days.

> > Besides the chronic fatigue that has been pretty much 3 solid days now

> > with an hour or 2 of him being up, he is experiencing low grade fever

> > which includes low grade headaches in the afternoons with sweating,

> > though his hands and feet are clammy and ice cold. He is not chilled

> > he said.

> >

> > He is still in a mental 'fog' as he describes it and even when he is

> > awake is having great difficulty attending to any of his school

subjects.

> >

> > I moved our son up to 300mg per day today of doxy and will be moving

> > him to more in the next few days to be in line with the ILDS until we

> > can get him into an LLMD. We are almost certain we will be traveling

> > to California to see a particular LLMD. I will know more soon. In the

> > meantime, I am documenting everything and upping the doxy while

> > continuing the full throttle max-Buhner protocol at the same time.

> >

> > I have not read anything on bloody stool though. Any thoughts on that

> > one will be appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I previously posted that my son did have blood in his stool, which was from

> the lyme. It was confirmed when his gastro biopsied portions of his stomach

> and colon and it tested positive for lyme and mycoplasma by PCR testing.

> The bleeding stopped after he received treatment from the lyme.

do you know a bit more about this, I'm curious ...

how long did it take for the bleeding to stop after you started treatment (ABX I

suppose?)?

this suggests that either Borrelia or mycoplasma is causing bleeding.

but Borrelia is an unlikely infection in the gut IMHO ... maybe the bleeding

occurs when people have multiple infections? Or maybe Borrelia causes rupture of

small blood vessels, like Bart or Babs?

[Guest guest]

Before I was diagnosed w Lyme, Erhlichia, Babesia and Bart, I had

severe GERD and colitis. Basically my entired GI tract was a disaster. I

had a colonoscopy due to occult blood found in my stool (my father had

colon cancer at a young age). Nothing was found. I started treatment for

Bab which also treats Lyme and my colitis symptoms went away... can't

remember how long that took. I DO know that my GERD did NOT go away

until I treated for Bartonella for nine months with rifampin. I got

relief after a few months but couldn't stop taking it without a

recurrence until I tried again at 9 months. No GERD since then! I

remember reading that Bart can be horrible to the GI tract but I'm sure

Lyme can too.

Jen

Lymie parents, 5yo Lymie/Aspie

On 10/30/2010 12:14 PM, knot_weed wrote:

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I previously posted that my son did have blood in his stool, which

> was from

> > the lyme. It was confirmed when his gastro biopsied portions of his

> stomach

> > and colon and it tested positive for lyme and mycoplasma by PCR testing.

> > The bleeding stopped after he received treatment from the lyme.

>

> do you know a bit more about this, I'm curious ...

> how long did it take for the bleeding to stop after you started

> treatment (ABX I suppose?)?

>

> this suggests that either Borrelia or mycoplasma is causing bleeding.

> but Borrelia is an unlikely infection in the gut IMHO ... maybe the

> bleeding occurs when people have multiple infections? Or maybe

> Borrelia causes rupture of small blood vessels, like Bart or Babs?

>

[Guest guest]

Connie and Peggy:

Thanks for the resources!!. I've tried Relax drink, but it has mag citrate in it

and gives me heartburn. Psyllium causes bloating and it does contain traces of

gluten so I've tried to avoid that. Smooth Move tea works in a pinch.

I really don't like using Miralax for my dtr, so these are great natural

alternatives.

Take care,

>

>

> I like this product for help with constipation. It's NOT a magnesium

supplement and it's not habit forming. I started out using it everyday and now I

only use it about once a week.

>

> http://www.iherb.com/Aerobic-Life-Mag-O7-180-Capsules/17762?at=0

>

>

>

> Connie

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: Blood in stool concern

>

>

>

>

> Hi ,

> There is a supplement by allergy research called Phloe. It is derived

> from kiwis so if you are kiwi sensitive this would not be a good

> choice. Phloe helps the GI tract with both constipation and diarrhea.

> It is an amazing product. I have been on it for awhile and have found

> it to be helpful. My son was on it for awhile for constipation and it

> worked just as well for him. It is a natural alternative to chemically

> based stool softeners. It is also gentle as opposed to some herbals

> that can actually irritate the GI tract. The company markets it for

> irritable bowel as well. You need to take it on an empty stomach for it

> to be effective.

>

> Hope this helps.

> Peggy

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