Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Selma, I just wanted to add to your comments about Eleuthero. It is a very powerful and wonderful adrenal tonic (among other things) and adaptogen. When I started taking it I noticed a difference in 2 weeks in my energy levels (chronic fatigue and flu symptoms are my most debilitating). After 20 years, I don't need Xanax during the day anymore, just to sleep at night (and I may be able to eliminate that too!). Eleuthero keeps you calm but energetic at the same time. I don't have enough praises for this gift of nature! Question: where can I read/learn (on the web?) about self-applied kinesiology? My LLMD does it, but he is 3+ hours away and I need to be able to do this for myself. Help from Anyone here would be most highly appreciated. Many thanks and All Best Wishes, Muriel [ ] Eleuthero I'm just posting here that I got my batch from 1st Chinese, this eleuthero powder is testing EXCELLENT for me. It helps my body fight all pathogens indirectly, because of its function as tonic, like B says. It's the first time that something tests EXCELLENT since I started doing my own muscle tests. Never happened before, that I remember. I wonder if the tincture is better than powder... I guess I'll make some and compare in the near future... Eleuthero, in my questions, even help the body to clean (because it's a general tonic), it crosses B/B barrier, it's the best thing I'm taking today against the rest of my infections (borrelia, bart and ehrlichia all in the brain). That's what my kinesiologic tests says. I have here the expensive CGF (chlorella growth factor) that is supposed to do wonders too. My daughter will not need CGF at all, if she takes eleuthero, according to my tests. Nor I. It will help her immune system and the building of bones, like CGF does, or even better. Buhner doesn't recommend eleuthero for small kids though, if I remember well. I just 'asked' though, to see what it gave me as answer! And for people who know D-Galaktose, another expensive supplement: D- Galaktose is better than eleuthero to help our bodies detox, but eleuthero is better than Galaktose as tonic/ energy booster! And eleuthero helps more our bodies fight infections than D-Galaktose. For a fraction of the price. I would still need D-Galaktose to help my body detox, but in lower amounts. My daughter wouldn't need it, if she's on eleuthero. Eleuthero's a warm herb, not cold like most core protocol ones (according to my questions, I still need to re-ask again in the next days). My dose is one-two teaspoons a day, mixed in water or so. It CAN'T be taken with other herbs, it needs a 30 minute interval even with food. I still didn't find any food where I could mix eleuthero... The powder doesn't taste too bad, but it doesn't solve in water. The only thing that accepted eleuthero is goat whey, but it can't solve there either... I don't get 'wired' at all with eleuthero, nor calm. I can't see the effects of it immediately (that's what B says, it takes time). What I write here is only based on my 'tests'. I had taken another product before, but it was an extract, and at that time I didn't do my own muscle tests to know if I could 'trust' the herb or not! Just sharing the good news, and thanking Buhner for this wonderful herb too. Selma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Muriel, I posted here about a site that teaches how to do yourself a few weeks ago. Can you do a search? I posted one few days ago about how to do with another person too. Glad to hear about your experiences with eleuthero. I suppose it will be one of my maintenance herbs IF I stop killers one day. I'm PRETTY SURE I herxed with it in the last two days. I don't take anything during the afternoon, so I decided to add eleuthero in the break (as it doesn't test good to be taken near other herbs nor food). I took it end of the afternoon yesterday. When I was writing this post down, I was feeling strange. Yes, another herx, quite strong, palpitations etc. I took a high dose of chlorella + cleansers and the herx vanished in about 30 min-60 min. So definitively, that was a herx and not an effect of eleuthero exciting my heart. I fell asleep still in the living room listening to Schubert! I hope you'll find the old posts! I would recommend though that someone else try to do muscle tests on you, not doing the solo approach because it's much easier with the 2 person approach. Selma > > Selma, I just wanted to add to your comments about Eleuthero. It is a > very powerful and wonderful adrenal tonic (among other things) and > adaptogen. When I started taking it I noticed a difference in 2 weeks > in my energy levels (chronic fatigue and flu symptoms are my most > debilitating). After 20 years, I don't need Xanax during the day > anymore, just to sleep at night (and I may be able to eliminate that > too!). > > Eleuthero keeps you calm but energetic at the same time. I don't have > enough praises for this gift of nature! > > Question: where can I read/learn (on the web?) about self-applied > kinesiology? My LLMD does it, but he is 3+ hours away and I need to be > able to do this for myself. Help from Anyone here would be most highly > appreciated. Many thanks and All Best Wishes, Muriel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Selma, that's wonderful that you're improvements have lasted nearly a month! can you tell me what form of eleuthero you use? the book recommends Herb Pharm for acute disease states and Nature's Way as symptoms decrease. I bought Nature's Way Siberian Eleuthero but it seems to contain only the root, while the book mentions it contains 250mg standardized extract and 200mg whole herb. is this a DIFFERENT nature's way eleuthero? perhaps someone out there can recommend a particular product name. Thanks, Steve On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:00 AM, selmanaka wrote: > Just writing to say that I'm entering my 4th week out of lyme! Still > no relapse. > > Still crossing fingers, as it can be too early to commemorate. > > I'm still battling candida in my teeth (roots), but slowly getting > better. I also have mercury in my jaws, so I'm cleansing these stuff > too. > > I'm on pau d'arco (few drops), stephania (3 capsules), cats claw (2), > eleuthero (4), few propolis drops and supporting stuff like > magnesium, iodine, milk thistle, artichoke and chlorella + bear > garlic. > > Cleansing metals with: cilantro tincture (rubbed), cilantro oil > (rubbed). > > I'm consistenly testing 'no' to my basic lyme and coinfection killers > like andrographis, teasel, artemisia annua, phellodendron, gervao, > gardenia, garlic, artemisinin etc... Nothing homeopathic against lyme > tests either. Nor the KMT! > > What's crazy is that I don't feel as happy as I should! I think it's > because I'm still battling infections in my teeth, and these are > still tough to get rid of. > > And I still herx once a day (light though), so I still feel close to > being on lyme treatment... Just taking much less stuff. > > Selma > > > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > Borreliosis And Its > Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Steve, how are YOU doing? Hopefully a bit of improvement since you first came here? Thanks, yes, I start to think I got lyme into remission, but I'm still not sure as I'm NOT stopping these herbs to check! I'm on eleuthero powder from 1stchinese (root only). I was on standardized pills before (brand from here, Germany). I can't tell the difference, maybe because one needs to take for long to feel the effects of eleuthero? I would rather go on tinctures if I had the budget, the one Buhner recommends, Herb Pharm if I'm not mistaken. If with active lyme, I would try the 2:1 dilution, if not, the 1:1 or less stronger dilutions... My whole family are on these capsules now. They test excellent to me, which is a 'rare' thing. I even herxed with these capsules. The taste of powder is not too bad, if you'd like to try taking it without encapsulating it. I mixed it with water. But eleuthero cannot be mixed with yoghurt, honey or other stuff, only water. I still didn't find anything that would match with eleuthero. Tests say consistently that it must be taken alone (no cats claw or stephania together). It's almost surely a warm herb, because I always get warm after. I take it after main meals. Sorry I can't help you more. In the next batch I buy, I'll tincture it myself to give it to my daughter. I think though that tincture from fresh herb must be stronger. I never took tinctures to compare with powder though. My husband got no lyme, only eczema, and I do see his skin getting better with eleuthero (he's on 4-5 " 00 " capsules a day). It's such a 'multi-use' herb, as it's tonic and an adaptogen that I think we'll be on it for a long time. Buhner, if I understood well, often employs it for himself too. Hope others will drop here to suggest brands! Wishing you a good day! Selma > Selma, > that's wonderful that you're improvements have lasted nearly a month! > can you tell me what form of eleuthero you use? the book recommends > Herb Pharm > for acute disease states and Nature's Way as symptoms decrease. > I bought Nature's Way Siberian Eleuthero but it seems to contain only > the root, > while the book mentions it contains 250mg standardized extract and > 200mg whole herb. > is this a DIFFERENT nature's way eleuthero? > perhaps someone out there can recommend a particular product name. > > Thanks, > Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Hey Selma, Good to hear from you. I realized that i bought the root extract from Nature's Way - a brand he recommended in the book, but then found out that Nature's Way has 2 kinds of eleuthero - and the whole standardized extract was what he recommended. i did a brief google to see if there was a diff. between the root and the whole plant and there doesn't seem to be a huge one with Siberian ginseng. nonetheless, he recommends the whole plant in the book. i'll have to switch products. i may try the Herb Pharm but it sounds very powerful and I have so many chemical sensitivities - and it contains glycerine, which i have a lot of trouble tolerating. it's very cheap however (less than 10 dollars on line) so it may be worth a try. it's hard to say whether i'm improving - i'm still only partially convinced that lyme is my biggest problem. i was born with food allergies and had health probs my whole life. docs seem to be leaning towards merc. poisoning and my immune system is so bad that perhaps i could beat lyme if it were only functioning better. i went to Dr. Rea's Environmental Health Center for 6 weeks this summer - and was tested 6 days a week for 6 weeks. turns out i'm allergic to every food out there. even lettuce. so rotation is useless. they gave me shots to give myself - some to immunized myself to foods, some to molds, some are neurotransmitter shots, some are peptides for digestion and also ALF - auto lymphocyte factor - where they culture your healthiest white cells and then you re-inject them back into your body every 4 days. of course that causes a great herx - the problem with all so called " cures " . i've grown allergic to all my shots except a few - so i can no longer take them. i still take the ALF but it takes months before your immune system really kicks in. that's where i'm at. wouldn't that be something if all i needed was some siberian ginseng? Steve On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:00 AM, selmanaka wrote: > Steve, how are YOU doing? Hopefully a bit of improvement since you > first came here? > > Thanks, yes, I start to think I got lyme into remission, but I'm > still not sure as I'm NOT stopping these herbs to check! > > I'm on eleuthero powder from 1stchinese (root only). I was on > standardized pills before (brand from here, Germany). I can't tell > the difference, maybe because one needs to take for long to feel the > effects of eleuthero? > > I would rather go on tinctures if I had the budget, the one Buhner > recommends, Herb Pharm if I'm not mistaken. If with active lyme, I > would try the 2:1 dilution, if not, the 1:1 or less stronger > dilutions... > > My whole family are on these capsules now. They test excellent to me, > which is a 'rare' thing. I even herxed with these capsules. > > The taste of powder is not too bad, if you'd like to try taking it > without encapsulating it. I mixed it with water. > > But eleuthero cannot be mixed with yoghurt, honey or other stuff, > only water. I still didn't find anything that would match with > eleuthero. Tests say consistently that it must be taken alone (no > cats claw or stephania together). It's almost surely a warm herb, > because I always get warm after. I take it after main meals. > > Sorry I can't help you more. In the next batch I buy, I'll tincture > it myself to give it to my daughter. I think though that tincture > from fresh herb must be stronger. I never took tinctures to compare > with powder though. > > My husband got no lyme, only eczema, and I do see his skin getting > better with eleuthero (he's on 4-5 " 00 " capsules a day). It's such > a 'multi-use' herb, as it's tonic and an adaptogen that I think we'll > be on it for a long time. Buhner, if I understood well, often employs > it for himself too. > > Hope others will drop here to suggest brands! Wishing you a good day! > > Selma > > >> Selma, >> that's wonderful that you're improvements have lasted nearly a > month! >> can you tell me what form of eleuthero you use? the book > recommends >> Herb Pharm >> for acute disease states and Nature's Way as symptoms decrease. >> I bought Nature's Way Siberian Eleuthero but it seems to contain > only >> the root, >> while the book mentions it contains 250mg standardized extract and >> 200mg whole herb. >> is this a DIFFERENT nature's way eleuthero? >> perhaps someone out there can recommend a particular product name. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> > > > > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > Borreliosis And Its > Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Think you are right Selma about it being warm or hot. I coudln't take it. It caused my skin to burn around my stoma. I am wondering if it cause yeast there also. I had to get treated for the yeast infection on my skin. First time I have had that that I know of. jim. ### selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote: Steve, how are YOU doing? Hopefully a bit of improvement since you first came here? Thanks, yes, I start to think I got lyme into remission, but I'm still not sure as I'm NOT stopping these herbs to check! I'm on eleuthero powder from 1stchinese (root only). I was on standardized pills before (brand from here, Germany). I can't tell the difference, maybe because one needs to take for long to feel the effects of eleuthero? I would rather go on tinctures if I had the budget, the one Buhner recommends, Herb Pharm if I'm not mistaken. If with active lyme, I would try the 2:1 dilution, if not, the 1:1 or less stronger dilutions... My whole family are on these capsules now. They test excellent to me, which is a 'rare' thing. I even herxed with these capsules. The taste of powder is not too bad, if you'd like to try taking it without encapsulating it. I mixed it with water. But eleuthero cannot be mixed with yoghurt, honey or other stuff, only water. I still didn't find anything that would match with eleuthero. Tests say consistently that it must be taken alone (no cats claw or stephania together). It's almost surely a warm herb, because I always get warm after. I take it after main meals. Sorry I can't help you more. In the next batch I buy, I'll tincture it myself to give it to my daughter. I think though that tincture from fresh herb must be stronger. I never took tinctures to compare with powder though. My husband got no lyme, only eczema, and I do see his skin getting better with eleuthero (he's on 4-5 " 00 " capsules a day). It's such a 'multi-use' herb, as it's tonic and an adaptogen that I think we'll be on it for a long time. Buhner, if I understood well, often employs it for himself too. Hope others will drop here to suggest brands! Wishing you a good day! Selma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 steve wrote: i may try the Herb Pharm but it sounds very powerful and I have so many chemical sensitivities - and it contains glycerine, which i have a lot of trouble tolerating. it's very cheap however (less than 10 dollars on line) so it may be worth a try. hi steve, sounds really difficult to be dealing with so many food allergies, wow, what are you eating? regarding eleuthero, i'm using the herb pharm. fyi, it is available in two versions: either alcohol base or glycerite. however, i did not realize until i received my order of the glycerite that the potency is different between them. ONLY the alcohol is 2:1. the glycerite is only 1.25:1--so it takes more of the tincture per dose, thus is more expensive. i;ve ordered at 41% discount from http://www.luckyvitamin.com/090800000829.html 4oz alcohol base Herb Pharm Eleuthero Retail Price: $44.89 Lucky Price: $26.49 You Save: $18.40 (41%) you can get different sizes too, 1oz or 4 oz bottles. here's link to 1oz glycerite http://www.luckyvitamin.com/090900000675.html Herb Pharm Eleuthero Glycerite 1 oz. Retail Price: $11.39 Lucky Price: $6.72 You Save: $4.67 (41%) if you really use buhner's max doses, a 1 oz bottle only last few days. i've been taking 3 dropperfuls of alcohol-base and 3 dropperfuls of glycerite once per day before 3pm. it has helped with fatigue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Dear Steve, I must say, your allergies seem to have come to a pretty pass; I wonder how you are manageing to eat anything. Have you , by any chance, looked at the info on MMS with a view to strengthening your immune system and lowering pathogen load? Just a thought, Carolyn > > Hey Selma, > > Good to hear from you. I realized that i bought the root extract from > Nature's > Way - a brand he recommended in the book, but then found out that > Nature's > Way has 2 kinds of eleuthero - and the whole standardized extract was > what he recommended. > i did a brief google to see if there was a diff. between the root and > the whole plant > and there doesn't seem to be a huge one with Siberian ginseng. > nonetheless, > he recommends the whole plant in the book. i'll have to switch products. > i may try the Herb Pharm but it sounds very powerful and I have so many > chemical sensitivities - and it contains glycerine, which i have a > lot of trouble > tolerating. it's very cheap however (less than 10 dollars on line) so > it may be > worth a try. > > it's hard to say whether i'm improving - i'm still only partially > convinced that > lyme is my biggest problem. i was born with food allergies and had > health > probs my whole life. docs seem to be leaning towards merc. poisoning > and my immune system is so bad that perhaps i could beat lyme if it were > only functioning better. i went to Dr. Rea's Environmental > Health > Center for 6 weeks this summer - and was tested 6 days a week for 6 > weeks. > turns out i'm allergic to every food out there. even lettuce. so > rotation is useless. > they gave me shots to give myself - some to immunized myself to > foods, some to molds, > some are neurotransmitter shots, some are peptides for digestion and > also ALF - > auto lymphocyte factor - where they culture your healthiest white > cells and > then you re-inject them back into your body every 4 days. of course > that causes > a great herx - the problem with all so called " cures " . > i've grown allergic to all my shots except a few - so i can no longer > take them. > i still take the ALF but it takes months before your immune system > really > kicks in. > > that's where i'm at. > wouldn't that be something if all i needed was some siberian ginseng? > > Steve > > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:00 AM, selmanaka wrote: > > > Steve, how are YOU doing? Hopefully a bit of improvement since you > > first came here? > > > > Thanks, yes, I start to think I got lyme into remission, but I'm > > still not sure as I'm NOT stopping these herbs to check! > > > > I'm on eleuthero powder from 1stchinese (root only). I was on > > standardized pills before (brand from here, Germany). I can't tell > > the difference, maybe because one needs to take for long to feel the > > effects of eleuthero? > > > > I would rather go on tinctures if I had the budget, the one Buhner > > recommends, Herb Pharm if I'm not mistaken. If with active lyme, I > > would try the 2:1 dilution, if not, the 1:1 or less stronger > > dilutions... > > > > My whole family are on these capsules now. They test excellent to me, > > which is a 'rare' thing. I even herxed with these capsules. > > > > The taste of powder is not too bad, if you'd like to try taking it > > without encapsulating it. I mixed it with water. > > > > But eleuthero cannot be mixed with yoghurt, honey or other stuff, > > only water. I still didn't find anything that would match with > > eleuthero. Tests say consistently that it must be taken alone (no > > cats claw or stephania together). It's almost surely a warm herb, > > because I always get warm after. I take it after main meals. > > > > Sorry I can't help you more. In the next batch I buy, I'll tincture > > it myself to give it to my daughter. I think though that tincture > > from fresh herb must be stronger. I never took tinctures to compare > > with powder though. > > > > My husband got no lyme, only eczema, and I do see his skin getting > > better with eleuthero (he's on 4-5 " 00 " capsules a day). It's such > > a 'multi-use' herb, as it's tonic and an adaptogen that I think we'll > > be on it for a long time. Buhner, if I understood well, often employs > > it for himself too. > > > > Hope others will drop here to suggest brands! Wishing you a good day! > > > > Selma > > > > > >> Selma, > >> that's wonderful that you're improvements have lasted nearly a > > month! > >> can you tell me what form of eleuthero you use? the book > > recommends > >> Herb Pharm > >> for acute disease states and Nature's Way as symptoms decrease. > >> I bought Nature's Way Siberian Eleuthero but it seems to contain > > only > >> the root, > >> while the book mentions it contains 250mg standardized extract and > >> 200mg whole herb. > >> is this a DIFFERENT nature's way eleuthero? > >> perhaps someone out there can recommend a particular product name. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Steve > >> > > > > > > > > > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > > Borreliosis And Its > > Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Kendra, thanks for the heads up on Herb Pharm. I think i can tolerate alcohol better than glycerine - although a teaspoon may be too much. i can't believe the alcohol costs so much more. wow. thanks for mentioning the source to buy it from. i wonder - if the only thing it helps with is fatigue, perhaps adrenal extracts and the capsule form of ginseng might do the same thing. the capsules are so much cheaper. Even rhodiola is cheaper. were you the one that had the bad reaction to rhodiola? i was experimenting with vin by Ameriden - my EI doc told me to take it. like you, i felt like i was on high octane nitro for 2 days - hardly slept and couldn't sit still. triggered a euphoric episode too. but i'm wondering if perhaps a 1/4 capsule every 2 days wouldn't be better. apparently the russians used this " secret " during the olympics for years. to answer your question, what do i eat? at the dallas clinic, each food has an allergy rating from 0 to 5 or so. 0 means non-reactive. i didn't have any non- reactive foods but i try to favor my 2's and 3's rather than eat 4's and 5's. the reaction i get from beef or greens are not as severe as say, nuts or grains. i was told to rotate my foods but this proved to be torture for me. their version of rotation means only eating a food in a 1 hour window every 4 days. no leftovers, no repeats of food groups. all the good fruits and vegetables are in the same food groups (ie, cherries, apples, pears, nectarines, etc) so you have to only eat one of them every 4 days (and you can't eat the others). same with beef, lamb and buffaloe. you end up having to eat exotic game meats and sea food just so you don't die of malnutrition. too much for me. Steve On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:06 PM, kendra wrote: > steve wrote: > i may try the Herb Pharm but it sounds very powerful and I have so > many > chemical sensitivities - and it contains glycerine, which i have a > lot of trouble tolerating. it's very cheap however (less than 10 > dollars on > line) so it may be worth a try. > > hi steve, > sounds really difficult to be dealing with so many food allergies, > wow, what > are you eating? > > regarding eleuthero, i'm using the herb pharm. fyi, it is available > in two > versions: either alcohol base or glycerite. however, i did not > realize until > i received my order of the glycerite that the potency is different > between > them. ONLY the alcohol is 2:1. the glycerite is only 1.25:1--so it > takes > more of the tincture per dose, thus is more expensive. > > i;ve ordered at 41% discount from > http://www.luckyvitamin.com/090800000829.html > 4oz alcohol base Herb Pharm Eleuthero > Retail Price: $44.89 > Lucky Price: $26.49 > You Save: $18.40 (41%) > > you can get different sizes too, 1oz or 4 oz bottles. > > here's link to 1oz glycerite > http://www.luckyvitamin.com/090900000675.html > Herb Pharm Eleuthero Glycerite 1 oz. > Retail Price: $11.39 > Lucky Price: $6.72 > You Save: $4.67 (41%) > > if you really use buhner's max doses, a 1 oz bottle only last few > days. > > i've been taking 3 dropperfuls of alcohol-base and 3 dropperfuls of > glycerite once per day before 3pm. it has helped with fatigue. > > > > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > Borreliosis And Its > Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hi Carolyn, regarding " what do i eat " ? i just posted this to the group: at the dallas clinic, each food has an allergy rating from 0 to 5 or so. 0 means non-reactive. i didn't have any non- reactive foods but i try to favor my 2's and 3's rather than eat 4's and 5's. the reaction i get from beef or greens are not as severe as say, nuts or grains. i was told to rotate my foods but this proved to be torture for me. their version of rotation means only eating a food in a 1 hour window every 4 days. no leftovers, no repeats of food groups. all the good fruits and vegetables are in the same food groups (ie, cherries, apples, pears, nectarines, etc) so you have to only eat one of them every 4 days (and you can't eat the others). same with beef, lamb and buffaloe. you end up having to eat exotic game meats and sea food just so you don't die of malnutrition. too much for me. What is MMS? Steve On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:23 PM, carolyntriance wrote: > Dear Steve, > I must say, your allergies seem to have come to a pretty pass; I > wonder how you are manageing to eat anything. > Have you , by any chance, looked at the info on MMS with a view to > strengthening your immune system and lowering pathogen load? Just a > thought, > > Carolyn >> >> Hey Selma, >> >> Good to hear from you. I realized that i bought the root extract from >> Nature's >> Way - a brand he recommended in the book, but then found out that >> Nature's >> Way has 2 kinds of eleuthero - and the whole standardized extract was >> what he recommended. >> i did a brief google to see if there was a diff. between the root and >> the whole plant >> and there doesn't seem to be a huge one with Siberian ginseng. >> nonetheless, >> he recommends the whole plant in the book. i'll have to switch >> products. >> i may try the Herb Pharm but it sounds very powerful and I have so >> many >> chemical sensitivities - and it contains glycerine, which i have a >> lot of trouble >> tolerating. it's very cheap however (less than 10 dollars on line) so >> it may be >> worth a try. >> >> it's hard to say whether i'm improving - i'm still only partially >> convinced that >> lyme is my biggest problem. i was born with food allergies and had >> health >> probs my whole life. docs seem to be leaning towards merc. poisoning >> and my immune system is so bad that perhaps i could beat lyme if >> it were >> only functioning better. i went to Dr. Rea's Environmental >> Health >> Center for 6 weeks this summer - and was tested 6 days a week for 6 >> weeks. >> turns out i'm allergic to every food out there. even lettuce. so >> rotation is useless. >> they gave me shots to give myself - some to immunized myself to >> foods, some to molds, >> some are neurotransmitter shots, some are peptides for digestion and >> also ALF - >> auto lymphocyte factor - where they culture your healthiest white >> cells and >> then you re-inject them back into your body every 4 days. of course >> that causes >> a great herx - the problem with all so called " cures " . >> i've grown allergic to all my shots except a few - so i can no longer >> take them. >> i still take the ALF but it takes months before your immune system >> really >> kicks in. >> >> that's where i'm at. >> wouldn't that be something if all i needed was some siberian ginseng? >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:00 AM, selmanaka wrote: >> >>> Steve, how are YOU doing? Hopefully a bit of improvement since you >>> first came here? >>> >>> Thanks, yes, I start to think I got lyme into remission, but I'm >>> still not sure as I'm NOT stopping these herbs to check! >>> >>> I'm on eleuthero powder from 1stchinese (root only). I was on >>> standardized pills before (brand from here, Germany). I can't tell >>> the difference, maybe because one needs to take for long to feel the >>> effects of eleuthero? >>> >>> I would rather go on tinctures if I had the budget, the one Buhner >>> recommends, Herb Pharm if I'm not mistaken. If with active lyme, I >>> would try the 2:1 dilution, if not, the 1:1 or less stronger >>> dilutions... >>> >>> My whole family are on these capsules now. They test excellent to >>> me, >>> which is a 'rare' thing. I even herxed with these capsules. >>> >>> The taste of powder is not too bad, if you'd like to try taking it >>> without encapsulating it. I mixed it with water. >>> >>> But eleuthero cannot be mixed with yoghurt, honey or other stuff, >>> only water. I still didn't find anything that would match with >>> eleuthero. Tests say consistently that it must be taken alone (no >>> cats claw or stephania together). It's almost surely a warm herb, >>> because I always get warm after. I take it after main meals. >>> >>> Sorry I can't help you more. In the next batch I buy, I'll tincture >>> it myself to give it to my daughter. I think though that tincture >>> from fresh herb must be stronger. I never took tinctures to compare >>> with powder though. >>> >>> My husband got no lyme, only eczema, and I do see his skin getting >>> better with eleuthero (he's on 4-5 " 00 " capsules a day). It's such >>> a 'multi-use' herb, as it's tonic and an adaptogen that I think >>> we'll >>> be on it for a long time. Buhner, if I understood well, often >>> employs >>> it for himself too. >>> >>> Hope others will drop here to suggest brands! Wishing you a good >>> day! >>> >>> Selma >>> >>> >>>> Selma, >>>> that's wonderful that you're improvements have lasted nearly a >>> month! >>>> can you tell me what form of eleuthero you use? the book >>> recommends >>>> Herb Pharm >>>> for acute disease states and Nature's Way as symptoms decrease. >>>> I bought Nature's Way Siberian Eleuthero but it seems to contain >>> only >>>> the root, >>>> while the book mentions it contains 250mg standardized extract and >>>> 200mg whole herb. >>>> is this a DIFFERENT nature's way eleuthero? >>>> perhaps someone out there can recommend a particular product name. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Steve >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme >>> Borreliosis And Its >>> Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: >>> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hi Steve, man, what an ordeal... I wonder if, for cases like you, EFT would work at all... You may be right as lyme not being your problem number 1, but mercury or metal poisoning. I had food allergies being developed in my early twenties or so. I was living in a lyme free contry (practically), very urban girl, so no way I had lyme then. But with the years, I got more and more food allergies, but some came and went (fruits), others were permanent... I had amalgams since early childhood. My allergy problems were much older than lyme, I believe mainly caused by heavy metals too. My daughter was born with many food allergies (I was loaded with amalgams and breastfed her), she's been going through metal cleansing and is muuuuch better now. Many allergies just faded by themselves, but some (stronger allergies like with nuts, wheat, egg whites, some fruits, beans) I did that EFT with her and they seem to be gone. No rashes, no tummy problems so far. I do believe then metals play an important role to disrupt our immune systems and cause allergies... At least to us here at home. Husband is also allergic. But, at the same time, somehow lyme toxins add up in the mess. I could see that clearly in my recent reinfection. In a matter of few weeks after being very sick again with reinfection,and herxing horribly every day, I started to react allergically to things I never had before. And the rhythm was frightening, about one new allergic food a day or so. I got very scared. So I started to react to strongly corn, to soya (never in my life I had problems with these 2 things), and some fruits again. The more I tested, the more I kept finding allergies, so I didn't test anymore... Too scary. Pathogens were slowly killed, and my body cleansed from the die-off toxins, and now I can eat again almost all those things. Even wheat, to a limited amount (once a day or so). Even milk, to a very limited amount (1-2 sips a day). Even before lyme, milk was impossible to me. So, in summary, I do believe metals play a role in our allergies but lyme and coinfections don't help us get rid of these (they made me develop new allergies very fast, I'm 100% sure). Good to see you're trying hard to come back to life and that you're herxing, which seems good somehow. Hope you will be able to eat something one day, Steve, without being worried about the rate of allergic reaction you would have... It's interesting that your doctors can 'rate' foods like that. Is it from blood test, or energetic test? Selma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 > >> > >>> Steve, how are YOU doing? Hopefully a bit of improvement since you > >>> first came here? > >>> > >>> Thanks, yes, I start to think I got lyme into remission, but I'm > >>> still not sure as I'm NOT stopping these herbs to check! > >>> > >>> I'm on eleuthero powder from 1stchinese (root only). I was on > >>> standardized pills before (brand from here, Germany). I can't tell > >>> the difference, maybe because one needs to take for long to feel the > >>> effects of eleuthero? > >>> > >>> I would rather go on tinctures if I had the budget, the one Buhner > >>> recommends, Herb Pharm if I'm not mistaken. If with active lyme, I > >>> would try the 2:1 dilution, if not, the 1:1 or less stronger > >>> dilutions... > >>> > >>> My whole family are on these capsules now. They test excellent to > >>> me, > >>> which is a 'rare' thing. I even herxed with these capsules. > >>> > >>> The taste of powder is not too bad, if you'd like to try taking it > >>> without encapsulating it. I mixed it with water. > >>> > >>> But eleuthero cannot be mixed with yoghurt, honey or other stuff, > >>> only water. I still didn't find anything that would match with > >>> eleuthero. Tests say consistently that it must be taken alone (no > >>> cats claw or stephania together). It's almost surely a warm herb, > >>> because I always get warm after. I take it after main meals. > >>> > >>> Sorry I can't help you more. In the next batch I buy, I'll tincture > >>> it myself to give it to my daughter. I think though that tincture > >>> from fresh herb must be stronger. I never took tinctures to compare > >>> with powder though. > >>> > >>> My husband got no lyme, only eczema, and I do see his skin getting > >>> better with eleuthero (he's on 4-5 " 00 " capsules a day). It's such > >>> a 'multi-use' herb, as it's tonic and an adaptogen that I think > >>> we'll > >>> be on it for a long time. Buhner, if I understood well, often > >>> employs > >>> it for himself too. > >>> > >>> Hope others will drop here to suggest brands! Wishing you a good > >>> day! > >>> > >>> Selma > >>> > >>> > >>>> Selma, > >>>> that's wonderful that you're improvements have lasted nearly a > >>> month! > >>>> can you tell me what form of eleuthero you use? the book > >>> recommends > >>>> Herb Pharm > >>>> for acute disease states and Nature's Way as symptoms decrease. > >>>> I bought Nature's Way Siberian Eleuthero but it seems to contain > >>> only > >>>> the root, > >>>> while the book mentions it contains 250mg standardized extract and > >>>> 200mg whole herb. > >>>> is this a DIFFERENT nature's way eleuthero? > >>>> perhaps someone out there can recommend a particular product name. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Steve > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > >>> Borreliosis And Its > >>> Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > >>> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hi Selma, Interesting, the chronology of your illness - makes me think that maybe mercury is a huge issue with me (i tested very high in it). Regarding how they rate your food allergies - they inject you subcutaneously with very diluted amounts of each food (no preservatives or chemicals) and they measure the wheal on your arm over a 10 minute period. you also have to write down any mental or physical changes that occur during that period. it's pretty methodical and it's all done in a chemical free, fume free room where nobody is allowed to wear any fragrances or " products " . it's as close as you're going to get to a perfect test - however there are always variables. glad to hear you've overcome many of your food obstacles. i tried EFT for a few weeks on my own but it just didn't work or maybe i just didn't do it right. the dallas clinic is also very big on saunas - every day if possible. i don't have one here in NY but I should buy a home unit. not only do saunas help you detox but lyme hates high heat. 2 benefits in one. Steve On Sep 26, 2007, at 5:36 AM, selmanaka wrote > Hi Steve, > > man, what an ordeal... > > I wonder if, for cases like you, EFT would work at all... > > You may be right as lyme not being your problem number 1, but mercury > or metal poisoning. I had food allergies being developed in my early > twenties or so. I was living in a lyme free contry (practically), > very urban girl, so no way I had lyme then. But with the years, I got > more and more food allergies, but some came and went (fruits), others > were permanent... I had amalgams since early childhood. > > My allergy problems were much older than lyme, I believe mainly > caused by heavy metals too. My daughter was born with many food > allergies (I was loaded with amalgams and breastfed her), she's been > going through metal cleansing and is muuuuch better now. > > Many allergies just faded by themselves, but some (stronger allergies > like with nuts, wheat, egg whites, some fruits, beans) I did that EFT > with her and they seem to be gone. No rashes, no tummy problems so > far. > > I do believe then metals play an important role to disrupt our immune > systems and cause allergies... At least to us here at home. Husband > is also allergic. > > But, at the same time, somehow lyme toxins add up in the mess. I > could see that clearly in my recent reinfection. In a matter of few > weeks after being very sick again with reinfection,and herxing > horribly every day, I started to react allergically to things I never > had before. And the rhythm was frightening, about one new allergic > food a day or so. I got very scared. > > So I started to react to strongly corn, to soya (never in my life I > had problems with these 2 things), and some fruits again. The more I > tested, the more I kept finding allergies, so I didn't test > anymore... Too scary. > > Pathogens were slowly killed, and my body cleansed from the die-off > toxins, and now I can eat again almost all those things. Even wheat, > to a limited amount (once a day or so). Even milk, to a very limited > amount (1-2 sips a day). Even before lyme, milk was impossible to me. > > So, in summary, I do believe metals play a role in our allergies but > lyme and coinfections don't help us get rid of these (they made me > develop new allergies very fast, I'm 100% sure). > > Good to see you're trying hard to come back to life and that you're > herxing, which seems good somehow. Hope you will be able to eat > something one day, Steve, without being worried about the rate of > allergic reaction you would have... > > It's interesting that your doctors can 'rate' foods like that. Is it > from blood test, or energetic test? > > Selma > > > > > > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > Borreliosis And Its > Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hi, Steve, Regarding heat, I found a used hot tub on ebay. I use no chemicals - just an enzyme treatment (Clear Choice). I keep it at 104 degrees, and soak in it once or twice daily, bringing my core temp up to, or just over, 102. This was a turning point for me. This temp won't kill the spirochetes, but it weakens them and makes them more susceptible to other therapies, and maybe helps to keep them in a dormant form. If you decide to deal with your mercury issues, I highly recommend that you look into Andy Cutler's protocol. It is well-researched, and probably the safest approach out there. The links section of the frequent dose chelation group is packed with information, such as this page on dosages and schedules. http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html All the best to your healing, D. steve <xanax006@...> wrote: > > Hi Selma, > > Interesting, the chronology of your illness - makes me think that maybe > mercury is a huge issue with me (i tested very high in it). Regarding > how > they rate your food allergies - they inject you subcutaneously with > very > diluted amounts of each food (no preservatives or chemicals) and they > measure the wheal on your arm over a 10 minute period. you also have > to write down any mental or physical changes that occur during that > period. > it's pretty methodical and it's all done in a chemical free, fume free > room where nobody is allowed to wear any fragrances or " products " . > it's as close as you're going to get to a perfect test - however > there are always > variables. > > glad to hear you've overcome many of your food obstacles. i tried EFT > for a few weeks > on my own but it just didn't work or maybe i just didn't do it right. > > the dallas clinic is also very big on saunas - every day if possible. > i don't have one > here in NY but I should buy a home unit. not only do saunas help you > detox > but lyme hates high heat. 2 benefits in one. > > Steve > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 5:36 AM, selmanaka wrote > > Hi Steve, > > > > man, what an ordeal... > > > > I wonder if, for cases like you, EFT would work at all... > > > > You may be right as lyme not being your problem number 1, but mercury > > or metal poisoning. I had food allergies being developed in my early > > twenties or so. I was living in a lyme free contry (practically), > > very urban girl, so no way I had lyme then. But with the years, I got > > more and more food allergies, but some came and went (fruits), others > > were permanent... I had amalgams since early childhood. > > > > My allergy problems were much older than lyme, I believe mainly > > caused by heavy metals too. My daughter was born with many food > > allergies (I was loaded with amalgams and breastfed her), she's been > > going through metal cleansing and is muuuuch better now. > > > > Many allergies just faded by themselves, but some (stronger allergies > > like with nuts, wheat, egg whites, some fruits, beans) I did that EFT > > with her and they seem to be gone. No rashes, no tummy problems so > > far. > > > > I do believe then metals play an important role to disrupt our immune > > systems and cause allergies... At least to us here at home. Husband > > is also allergic. > > > > But, at the same time, somehow lyme toxins add up in the mess. I > > could see that clearly in my recent reinfection. In a matter of few > > weeks after being very sick again with reinfection,and herxing > > horribly every day, I started to react allergically to things I never > > had before. And the rhythm was frightening, about one new allergic > > food a day or so. I got very scared. > > > > So I started to react to strongly corn, to soya (never in my life I > > had problems with these 2 things), and some fruits again. The more I > > tested, the more I kept finding allergies, so I didn't test > > anymore... Too scary. > > > > Pathogens were slowly killed, and my body cleansed from the die-off > > toxins, and now I can eat again almost all those things. Even wheat, > > to a limited amount (once a day or so). Even milk, to a very limited > > amount (1-2 sips a day). Even before lyme, milk was impossible to me. > > > > So, in summary, I do believe metals play a role in our allergies but > > lyme and coinfections don't help us get rid of these (they made me > > develop new allergies very fast, I'm 100% sure). > > > > Good to see you're trying hard to come back to life and that you're > > herxing, which seems good somehow. Hope you will be able to eat > > something one day, Steve, without being worried about the rate of > > allergic reaction you would have... > > > > It's interesting that your doctors can 'rate' foods like that. Is it > > from blood test, or energetic test? > > > > Selma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > > Borreliosis And Its > > Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Jim, I'm using eleuthero to fight fungi and I did have clear herxes with high doses of it (I took 5-6 capsules at once, if I remember well and got hit by a reasonably strong herx from fungi). I believe it's not a fungi killer, but it helped my body to fight against fungi. That's one of my main herbs to fight fungi now. I believe too that when we kill lyme and other critters, we liberate stored metals (in the critters) and the floating metals cause yeast flare. I see that clearly when I take metal chelators, my 'gone' skin fungi comes back for a few hours or days when metals are floating free. It happened so many times that I'm pretty sure of what I'm saying, in my case. The more toxic I am, the more skin fungi I'll have (it's a flare, it comes and goes, I call it 'fungi party'). They do start dancing with my floating metals! High doses of chlorella make the party end. On the other hand, I also have/ had rashes that come and go, which I are not fungi (they dont' react with rubbed fungal killers), but are like eczema. I believe these are also related to toxin levels in my blood as they get better with cleansers.... Same as for pimples, come and go with toxicity level. Still, I know that when I start killing fungi (or other critters), they'll move around trying to 'colonize' other places. Plus, they liberate metals when they die, which help cultivating other fungi around. It's happening now with my teeth, from teeth to skin, vaginal fungi, then they get another different tooth... It's exactly like lyme and coinfections, I keep chasing them until they get tired. In case of fungi, takes longer as we need to chelate, not only kill... These are only some of my 'guesses' for why you could have gotten skin fungi with eleuthero.... I'm fighting these nasty fungi for more than a decade, much before lyme... Selma > > Think you are right Selma about it being warm or hot. > > I coudln't take it. It caused my skin to burn around my stoma. I am wondering if it cause yeast there also. I had to get treated for the yeast infection on my skin. First time I have had that that I know of. > > jim. > ### > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Steve, thanks for the info. I'm not sure I understood well, but it does seem well done in a 'serious' way... Glad you found a decent place to be tested!! My allergies to food, I had them in my gut, mostly. My mouth burned and then I got diarrhea, tummy pains. Only now I think of mercury and metals being themain culprit of my food allergies. Before, I had no clue. As for fungi infections, metals clearly play a role on protecting these beasts from all killers. I guess this EFT is too light for your entrenched problem, Steve. It works for us here in my family, I suppose, but we're in the 'end' of the process of cleansing metals. I heard of people getting rid of one allergy then getting another allergy later with EFT or NAET. That wouldn't be the answer then... In our case, it's long lasting, but as I said, many of our (mine and daughter's) allergies were gone by themselves, without treatment. We used EFT to help on some foods that were 'stuck'. We did maximum 2 foods a day, but I dont' think I did more than 15 items in all for both me and my daughter, so not that much in comparison to what you would need.... I'm intollerant/ allergic to milk since I'm a teenager. I don't fit any of the lactose intollerant picture either. However, after cleansing metals for a year and a half, I swear I can sip milk again. Not more than two, three sips a day, though. But that's a great step for me. I can eat most cheese without having my mouth burned, nor tummy aches. So definitively, I'm not lactose intollerant, and definitively, I'm better now in that point than BEFORE lyme. So it was probably metal cleansing that did the job, I can't think of anything else, as I'm getting out of a 2 year chronic multi- infection, my body must be not at 100% because of that long fight, so why is it now that I start not reacting to a product I reacted for about 25 years? My only guess is because of metal detox. I also believe, metal detox saved my GI tract from collapsing. My GI was from bad to very bad before I caught lyme, and with lyme treatment and metal cleansing, it got now 'perfect'. For me, it's perfect, no pain, no constipation, no diarrhea, just perfect compared to the nightmare of before! I suffered for about 30 years of diarrhea and tummy pains. All gone, like magic! Of course, if I drink a cup of milk I'll get pains back, but I haven't done that yet. I also believe that a good digestion causes less allergy problems for us, we react less to very well digested molecules than to badly digested molecules from a bad GI tract. Besides, allergies are a problem of our immune system getting nuts and if our intestines are responsible for 90% of our immune system, well... that could be another reason for most of my allergies having gone. These are just guesses, I'm just trying to figure out what has happened to me these last 2 years, since I caught lyme... Wishing you the best, Steve. Were you also in NY during/after Sept 11, 2001 and breathed all the bad fumes/ toxic dust? Hopefully not. Selma Hi Selma, > > Interesting, the chronology of your illness - makes me think that maybe > mercury is a huge issue with me (i tested very high in it). Regarding > how > they rate your food allergies - they inject you subcutaneously with > very > diluted amounts of each food (no preservatives or chemicals) and they > measure the wheal on your arm over a 10 minute period. you also have > to write down any mental or physical changes that occur during that > period. > it's pretty methodical and it's all done in a chemical free, fume free > room where nobody is allowed to wear any fragrances or " products " . > it's as close as you're going to get to a perfect test - however > there are always > variables. > > glad to hear you've overcome many of your food obstacles. i tried EFT > for a few weeks > on my own but it just didn't work or maybe i just didn't do it right. > > the dallas clinic is also very big on saunas - every day if possible. > i don't have one > here in NY but I should buy a home unit. not only do saunas help you > detox > but lyme hates high heat. 2 benefits in one. > > Steve > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Hi Selma, sounds like detox has helped you a lot. i found out recently through metametrix genetic testing that I have impaired detox chromosomes and am unable to adequately manufacture glutathione in my body. the combination of these two make me unable to process toxins and more suceptable to infection. i think if i had been born with better genes i wouldn't succumb to lyme and toxins like i did. it's great to do the genetic tests though and know finally what's happening. my doc is trying to give me DMPS capsules at very low dose - to see if i can tolerate it as well as compounded transdermal glutathione. i also have massive pan-endocrinopathy - and have to supplement cortisol, DHEA, testosterone, pregnenolone and thryroid. at least i'm getting a better picture. he told me not to take the ginseng right now because i'm already taking so many steroidal adjuncts. no, i wasn't in NYC during 9/11. spent that summer and fall in santa fe, NM. it was a huge blessing, although i'm sure i got some fallout when i got back. Steve On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:45 PM, selmanaka wrote: > Steve, thanks for the info. I'm not sure I understood well, but it > does seem well done in a 'serious' way... Glad you found a decent > place to be tested!! > > My allergies to food, I had them in my gut, mostly. My mouth burned > and then I got diarrhea, tummy pains. > > Only now I think of mercury and metals being themain culprit of my > food allergies. Before, I had no clue. As for fungi infections, > metals clearly play a role on protecting these beasts from all > killers. > > I guess this EFT is too light for your entrenched problem, Steve. It > works for us here in my family, I suppose, but we're in the 'end' of > the process of cleansing metals. > > I heard of people getting rid of one allergy then getting another > allergy later with EFT or NAET. That wouldn't be the answer then... > In our case, it's long lasting, but as I said, many of our (mine and > daughter's) allergies were gone by themselves, without treatment. > > We used EFT to help on some foods that were 'stuck'. We did maximum 2 > foods a day, but I dont' think I did more than 15 items in all for > both me and my daughter, so not that much in comparison to what you > would need.... > > I'm intollerant/ allergic to milk since I'm a teenager. I don't fit > any of the lactose intollerant picture either. However, after > cleansing metals for a year and a half, I swear I can sip milk again. > Not more than two, three sips a day, though. But that's a great step > for me. I can eat most cheese without having my mouth burned, nor > tummy aches. So definitively, I'm not lactose intollerant, and > definitively, I'm better now in that point than BEFORE lyme. > > So it was probably metal cleansing that did the job, I can't think of > anything else, as I'm getting out of a 2 year chronic multi- > infection, my body must be not at 100% because of that long fight, so > why is it now that I start not reacting to a product I reacted for > about 25 years? My only guess is because of metal detox. > > I also believe, metal detox saved my GI tract from collapsing. My GI > was from bad to very bad before I caught lyme, and with lyme > treatment and metal cleansing, it got now 'perfect'. For me, it's > perfect, no pain, no constipation, no diarrhea, just perfect compared > to the nightmare of before! I suffered for about 30 years of diarrhea > and tummy pains. All gone, like magic! Of course, if I drink a cup of > milk I'll get pains back, but I haven't done that yet. > > I also believe that a good digestion causes less allergy problems for > us, we react less to very well digested molecules than to badly > digested molecules from a bad GI tract. Besides, allergies are a > problem of our immune system getting nuts and if our intestines are > responsible for 90% of our immune system, well... that could be > another reason for most of my allergies having gone. > > These are just guesses, I'm just trying to figure out what has > happened to me these last 2 years, since I caught lyme... > > Wishing you the best, Steve. Were you also in NY during/after Sept > 11, 2001 and breathed all the bad fumes/ toxic dust? Hopefully not. > > Selma > > > > Hi Selma, >> >> Interesting, the chronology of your illness - makes me think that > maybe >> mercury is a huge issue with me (i tested very high in it). > Regarding >> how >> they rate your food allergies - they inject you subcutaneously > with >> very >> diluted amounts of each food (no preservatives or chemicals) and > they >> measure the wheal on your arm over a 10 minute period. you also have >> to write down any mental or physical changes that occur during > that >> period. >> it's pretty methodical and it's all done in a chemical free, fume > free >> room where nobody is allowed to wear any fragrances or " products " . >> it's as close as you're going to get to a perfect test - however >> there are always >> variables. >> >> glad to hear you've overcome many of your food obstacles. i tried > EFT >> for a few weeks >> on my own but it just didn't work or maybe i just didn't do it > right. >> >> the dallas clinic is also very big on saunas - every day if > possible. >> i don't have one >> here in NY but I should buy a home unit. not only do saunas help > you >> detox >> but lyme hates high heat. 2 benefits in one. >> >> Steve >> >> > > > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > Borreliosis And Its > Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Interesting you are using eleuthero to fight fungi and I was wondering IF it caused mine. I do know it casued an aweful burning on my belly around the stoma and once I got it, it woudln't go away. Finally after several months of suffering I went to an ostomy nurse,and after three weeks of treatements from her, it got better. She said it is normal for ostomates to have the yeast there, but I didn't before the eleuthero. And we are talking over a 12 year period. Jim. ### selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote: Jim, I'm using eleuthero to fight fungi and I did have clear herxes with high doses of it (I took 5-6 capsules at once, if I remember well and got hit by a reasonably strong herx from fungi). I believe it's not a fungi killer, but it helped my body to fight against fungi. That's one of my main herbs to fight fungi now. I believe too that when we kill lyme and other critters, we liberate stored metals (in the critters) and the floating metals cause yeast flare. I see that clearly when I take metal chelators, my 'gone' skin fungi comes back for a few hours or days when metals are floating free. It happened so many times that I'm pretty sure of what I'm saying, in my case. The more toxic I am, the more skin fungi I'll have (it's a flare, it comes and goes, I call it 'fungi party'). They do start dancing with my floating metals! High doses of chlorella make the party end. On the other hand, I also have/ had rashes that come and go, which I are not fungi (they dont' react with rubbed fungal killers), but are like eczema. I believe these are also related to toxin levels in my blood as they get better with cleansers.... Same as for pimples, come and go with toxicity level. Still, I know that when I start killing fungi (or other critters), they'll move around trying to 'colonize' other places. Plus, they liberate metals when they die, which help cultivating other fungi around. It's happening now with my teeth, from teeth to skin, vaginal fungi, then they get another different tooth... It's exactly like lyme and coinfections, I keep chasing them until they get tired. In case of fungi, takes longer as we need to chelate, not only kill... These are only some of my 'guesses' for why you could have gotten skin fungi with eleuthero.... I'm fighting these nasty fungi for more than a decade, much before lyme... Selma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Yes, I read that some people are genetically impaired for detox... The toxin accumulation could also contribute to your allergies, I suppose? Glad to see you're trying DMPS and glutathione. I hope your body will manage them in low doses. It's a tedious job to cleanse. Takes time and patience and 'herx-like' reactions... And you were a lucky man, to be out of town during Sept 11! Gotta go now. Wish you good continuation on your treatment. Keep us updated, I do hope you'll manage to get a livable life sometime soon! Selma > > Hi Selma, > > sounds like detox has helped you a lot. i found out recently through > metametrix > genetic testing that I have impaired detox chromosomes and am unable > to adequately > manufacture glutathione in my body. the combination of these two make me > unable to process toxins and more suceptable to infection. i think > if i had been > born with better genes i wouldn't succumb to lyme and toxins like i did. > it's great to do the genetic tests though and know finally what's > happening. > > my doc is trying to give me DMPS capsules at very low dose - to see > if i can tolerate it > as well as compounded transdermal glutathione. i also have massive > pan-endocrinopathy - > and have to supplement cortisol, DHEA, testosterone, pregnenolone and > thryroid. > at least i'm getting a better picture. he told me not to take the > ginseng right now > because i'm already taking so many steroidal adjuncts. > > no, i wasn't in NYC during 9/11. spent that summer and fall in santa fe, > NM. it was a huge blessing, although i'm sure i got some fallout when > i got back. > > Steve > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Jim, I just wonder if your skin fungi didn't move from other parts of your body. That's what I wanted to say in my answer to you. It's been happening to me all the time, specially with fungi. I attack one spot of fungi, I get it in another. Some fungi are symptomless, I suppose. For example, my skin fungi stayed dormant for about 4-6 months a year, to come back during winter in a pattern that repeated for the last decade. Once I started metal detox, rubbing stuff to displace mercury from my toes (where the fungi was for more than a decade, coming and going), the pattern changed. Now I dont' get these infections only in winter like it's been happening for a decade. I got for the first time infections on my hands last year, clearly fungi, while I was in big fight against fungi and bartonella. They are less deeply entrenched in my skin and start to react to oils/ medicine, while before, they were deep inside my skin and nothing worked against them. But they were only there in my feet while in chronic form, now they're somehow spreading here and there, but less 'deep' in skin, they do react with treatment rather fast. It's like they try to 'colonize' other places trying to survive, in my 'reading' of it. Fungi are very tricky. Now I 'll got my toe fungi a bit back while treating my dental fungi, but they went away fast with treatment. I wonder how will it be this winter as the pattern has been totally changing, metal levels are lower etc... I think I got quite some symptomless fungi in my teeth for years too. And now that I think lyme and friends are gone, some started to show symptoms, while others will only show symptoms when I attack them directly (with herbs, propolis, eleuthero or microcurrent). Very very strange. I guess eleuthero will help your body go after what you need in the moment, as it's a tonic and an adaptogen. I can't imagine a reason for it to cause fungi, but I do see how hidden fungi would be displaced to show up in another place, because it's been happening often to me. These are just guesses of course! Selma > > Interesting you are using eleuthero to fight fungi and I was wondering IF it caused mine. I do know it casued an aweful burning on my belly around the stoma and once I got it, it woudln't go away. Finally after several months of suffering I went to an ostomy nurse,and after three weeks of treatements from her, it got better. She said it is normal for ostomates to have the yeast there, but I didn't before the eleuthero. And we are talking over a 12 year period. > Jim. > ### > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Selma TO the best of my knowledge, I haven't had any fungi in any other place of my body. With the exception of what they call jock itch, and a cream took care of that fine in short order. When I took the eleuthero, in one day, I had the terrible burning. So I was very dissapointed. Maybe it wasn't fungi, maybe just the eleuthero burned my skin, just like Ginger did. It took weeks for the burning to get better. But then I always had trouble there after that, and finally I went to the ostomy nurse and she said I had the yeast infection. And she took care of it over a few weeks with a chemical, can't remember what it was. Then gave me a powder to use under my wafer for awhile. That is all I know. Jim. ### selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote: Jim, I just wonder if your skin fungi didn't move from other parts of your body. That's what I wanted to say in my answer to you. It's been happening to me all the time, specially with fungi. I attack one spot of fungi, I get it in another. Some fungi are symptomless, I suppose. For example, my skin fungi stayed dormant for about 4-6 months a year, to come back during winter in a pattern that repeated for the last decade. Once I started metal detox, rubbing stuff to displace mercury from my toes (where the fungi was for more than a decade, coming and going), the pattern changed. Now I dont' get these infections only in winter like it's been happening for a decade. I got for the first time infections on my hands last year, clearly fungi, while I was in big fight against fungi and bartonella. They are less deeply entrenched in my skin and start to react to oils/ medicine, while before, they were deep inside my skin and nothing worked against them. But they were only there in my feet while in chronic form, now they're somehow spreading here and there, but less 'deep' in skin, they do react with treatment rather fast. It's like they try to 'colonize' other places trying to survive, in my 'reading' of it. Fungi are very tricky. Now I 'll got my toe fungi a bit back while treating my dental fungi, but they went away fast with treatment. I wonder how will it be this winter as the pattern has been totally changing, metal levels are lower etc... I think I got quite some symptomless fungi in my teeth for years too. And now that I think lyme and friends are gone, some started to show symptoms, while others will only show symptoms when I attack them directly (with herbs, propolis, eleuthero or microcurrent). Very very strange. I guess eleuthero will help your body go after what you need in the moment, as it's a tonic and an adaptogen. I can't imagine a reason for it to cause fungi, but I do see how hidden fungi would be displaced to show up in another place, because it's been happening often to me. These are just guesses of course! Selma > > Interesting you are using eleuthero to fight fungi and I was wondering IF it caused mine. I do know it casued an aweful burning on my belly around the stoma and once I got it, it woudln't go away. Finally after several months of suffering I went to an ostomy nurse,and after three weeks of treatements from her, it got better. She said it is normal for ostomates to have the yeast there, but I didn't before the eleuthero. And we are talking over a 12 year period. > Jim. > ### > > --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Hey Carolyn thanks for the details. it looks interesting and i'll keep an eye on it. was that link supposed to be globallight or loballight? although $20 doesn't sound like much of a gamble i'm just so burnt out right now, the thought of trying something new - another blind alley just feels overwhelming. my table is littered with supplements and " cures " and expensive items that doctors recommended. sometimes i feel like the stress and expense of all this only makes the health problems worse. but keep us posted if you improve, and i'll read up on MMS. Steve On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:30 AM, carolyntriance wrote: > >>>> >>>>> Steve, how are YOU doing? Hopefully a bit of improvement since you >>>>> first came here? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, yes, I start to think I got lyme into remission, but I'm >>>>> still not sure as I'm NOT stopping these herbs to check! >>>>> >>>>> I'm on eleuthero powder from 1stchinese (root only). I was on >>>>> standardized pills before (brand from here, Germany). I can't tell >>>>> the difference, maybe because one needs to take for long to >>>>> feel the >>>>> effects of eleuthero? >>>>> >>>>> I would rather go on tinctures if I had the budget, the one Buhner >>>>> recommends, Herb Pharm if I'm not mistaken. If with active lyme, I >>>>> would try the 2:1 dilution, if not, the 1:1 or less stronger >>>>> dilutions... >>>>> >>>>> My whole family are on these capsules now. They test excellent to >>>>> me, >>>>> which is a 'rare' thing. I even herxed with these capsules. >>>>> >>>>> The taste of powder is not too bad, if you'd like to try taking it >>>>> without encapsulating it. I mixed it with water. >>>>> >>>>> But eleuthero cannot be mixed with yoghurt, honey or other stuff, >>>>> only water. I still didn't find anything that would match with >>>>> eleuthero. Tests say consistently that it must be taken alone (no >>>>> cats claw or stephania together). It's almost surely a warm herb, >>>>> because I always get warm after. I take it after main meals. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry I can't help you more. In the next batch I buy, I'll >>>>> tincture >>>>> it myself to give it to my daughter. I think though that tincture >>>>> from fresh herb must be stronger. I never took tinctures to >>>>> compare >>>>> with powder though. >>>>> >>>>> My husband got no lyme, only eczema, and I do see his skin getting >>>>> better with eleuthero (he's on 4-5 " 00 " capsules a day). It's such >>>>> a 'multi-use' herb, as it's tonic and an adaptogen that I think >>>>> we'll >>>>> be on it for a long time. Buhner, if I understood well, often >>>>> employs >>>>> it for himself too. >>>>> >>>>> Hope others will drop here to suggest brands! Wishing you a good >>>>> day! >>>>> >>>>> Selma >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Selma, >>>>>> that's wonderful that you're improvements have lasted nearly a >>>>> month! >>>>>> can you tell me what form of eleuthero you use? the book >>>>> recommends >>>>>> Herb Pharm >>>>>> for acute disease states and Nature's Way as symptoms decrease. >>>>>> I bought Nature's Way Siberian Eleuthero but it seems to contain >>>>> only >>>>>> the root, >>>>>> while the book mentions it contains 250mg standardized extract >>>>>> and >>>>>> 200mg whole herb. >>>>>> is this a DIFFERENT nature's way eleuthero? >>>>>> perhaps someone out there can recommend a particular product >>>>>> name. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme >>>>> Borreliosis And Its >>>>> Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 > >>>> > >>>>> Steve, how are YOU doing? Hopefully a bit of improvement since you > >>>>> first came here? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, yes, I start to think I got lyme into remission, but I'm > >>>>> still not sure as I'm NOT stopping these herbs to check! > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm on eleuthero powder from 1stchinese (root only). I was on > >>>>> standardized pills before (brand from here, Germany). I can't tell > >>>>> the difference, maybe because one needs to take for long to > >>>>> feel the > >>>>> effects of eleuthero? > >>>>> > >>>>> I would rather go on tinctures if I had the budget, the one Buhner > >>>>> recommends, Herb Pharm if I'm not mistaken. If with active lyme, I > >>>>> would try the 2:1 dilution, if not, the 1:1 or less stronger > >>>>> dilutions... > >>>>> > >>>>> My whole family are on these capsules now. They test excellent to > >>>>> me, > >>>>> which is a 'rare' thing. I even herxed with these capsules. > >>>>> > >>>>> The taste of powder is not too bad, if you'd like to try taking it > >>>>> without encapsulating it. I mixed it with water. > >>>>> > >>>>> But eleuthero cannot be mixed with yoghurt, honey or other stuff, > >>>>> only water. I still didn't find anything that would match with > >>>>> eleuthero. Tests say consistently that it must be taken alone (no > >>>>> cats claw or stephania together). It's almost surely a warm herb, > >>>>> because I always get warm after. I take it after main meals. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry I can't help you more. In the next batch I buy, I'll > >>>>> tincture > >>>>> it myself to give it to my daughter. I think though that tincture > >>>>> from fresh herb must be stronger. I never took tinctures to > >>>>> compare > >>>>> with powder though. > >>>>> > >>>>> My husband got no lyme, only eczema, and I do see his skin getting > >>>>> better with eleuthero (he's on 4-5 " 00 " capsules a day). It's such > >>>>> a 'multi-use' herb, as it's tonic and an adaptogen that I think > >>>>> we'll > >>>>> be on it for a long time. Buhner, if I understood well, often > >>>>> employs > >>>>> it for himself too. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hope others will drop here to suggest brands! Wishing you a good > >>>>> day! > >>>>> > >>>>> Selma > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Selma, > >>>>>> that's wonderful that you're improvements have lasted nearly a > >>>>> month! > >>>>>> can you tell me what form of eleuthero you use? the book > >>>>> recommends > >>>>>> Herb Pharm > >>>>>> for acute disease states and Nature's Way as symptoms decrease. > >>>>>> I bought Nature's Way Siberian Eleuthero but it seems to contain > >>>>> only > >>>>>> the root, > >>>>>> while the book mentions it contains 250mg standardized extract > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> 200mg whole herb. > >>>>>> is this a DIFFERENT nature's way eleuthero? > >>>>>> perhaps someone out there can recommend a particular product > >>>>>> name. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Steve > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > >>>>> Borreliosis And Its > >>>>> Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations: > >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 , > > Regarding heat, I found a used hot tub on ebay. I use no chemicals - > just an enzyme treatment (Clear Choice). I'm strickly saunas, but thanks. I keep it at 104 degrees, > and soak in it once or twice daily, bringing my core temp up to, or > just over, 102. This was a turning point for me. This temp won't > kill the spirochetes, but it weakens them and makes them more > susceptible to other therapies, and maybe helps to keep them in a > dormant form. > > If you decide to deal with your mercury issues, I highly recommend > that you look into Andy Cutler's protocol. It is well-researched, and > probably the safest approach out there. thanks. i'm pretty sure my docs are up on cutler. i've seen some of the best. the problem is not what to do - the problem is that i can't tolerate most treatments. thanks for taking an interest though. Be well. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 They have it at iherb.com (link below) I think they also carry 2 oz bottles... http://www.iherb.com/Herb-Pharm-Eleuthero-1-fl-oz-29-6-ml/13131?at=0 Aviva On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Tessa McCall wrote: > The brand I use of eleuthero is by Herb Pharm (800) 349--4372. The > color of this one is really dark brown in color. You can google it > for the ratio and call them with any information you need. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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