Re: Re: Constipation + Bloating

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your not taking rifampin, are you? that can do it to you (i didn't know

knotweed could do that). janet

From: tek0nik@...

Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:59:30 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Constipation + Bloating

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> I thought I was passing blood because of the bright orange/red urine but it's

just the knotweed. It seems to have a lot of action in the body and it feels

like, while it isn't a stimulant per se, it does get things reved up (just my

layman's opinion). I think it is really making me herx too.

for me it worked pretty much opposite; I had terrible vertigo/nausea before

starting the Buhner herbs, and it disappeared for 95% after just two weeks of

low dose knotweed. Apart from some gut irritation (bloating etc.) I haven't

noticed any bad effects, or obvious herx reactions.

As often, everyone is different so you have to experiment what suits your body.

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Some of us can't take the high dosages. The CC herxed me so bad, I'm down to

5 drops every other day with wormwood on the off day. Seems to be easier on

my life and my herxing. Tho I did do the GB4000 machine on both Lyme

frequencies and didn't herx. Wonder what that means....

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Subject: [ ] Re: Constipation + Bloating

Wow you guys responded fast. A lot of good information here... I appreciate

it.

The biggest thing I'm learning with this protocol is that Buhners max

dosage... is way too high lol

I think when most people start out on the protocol they strive to hit

maximum dosages(4X4) in most the herbs. Reality is.... that's gonna be

extremely hard!

I'm finding that, at my weight (140 lbs)... I need to aim for a much lower

dosage. (3x3 or less!)

I'm taking a break from herbs this weekend. (added VSL#3 today)

When I start on Monday I'm going to use Eluetherococcus by itself for a

week.

Then get to 3x3 knotweed

Then 1x3 cats claw

I'll remain at that dosage for awhile.

I'm going to leave stephania, red root (until i treat co's), and smilax

(until i feel really comfortable adding back in)

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Nutrition- www.nutri.com - 800-325-2664. It SERIOUSLY counteracts

constipation. Start at a LOW dose! Vitamin C also supports collagen

production.

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> > 4 X 3 Knotweed

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> > 30 drops X 3 Eleutherococcus

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> > I stopped smilax today and that didn't seem to do anything.

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> > Grrrr I'm very frustrated. I went the herbal route thinking it'd be LESS

stress on the Gut. Now I don't know what to think.

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[Guest guest]

Really good ideas and observations tnkrbell! I drink Dandelion root tea as well

to help with the liver as well as eating lots of apples. There are a number of

foods that help the liver. Do clay baths help as well? I just started those as

well as " drinking " clay.

Connie

[ ] Re: Constipation + Bloating

Hi All,

I used to be a regular on this forum, haven't posted for ages tho....been on the

Buhner herbs for over a year now. Hi Knotweed, how's it going?

For me it was the japanese knotweed and andrographis that gave me my stomach

issues but never constipation. (I understand that andro isn't in Buhners list

anymore but I still take it anyway)

I was wondering if any of you are taking herbs to detoxify your liver? Maybe

that is why everyone here has the constipation problem...not sure but

maybe...milk thistle is just plain good for us lymees anyways cuz we often have

elevated liver counts. Cats claw can be hard on the liver too. Milk thistle

detoxes the liver and helps to get things moving again.

After taking these herbs for over a year now I don't have stomach issues

anymore. Almost makes me think that maybe the stomach issues are caused when we

are killing the LD in our guts...herx of the stomach maybe? Who knows tho.

Take Care,

Chris

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Have you improved in the year on Buhner herbs?

Jazzman

[ ] Re: Constipation + Bloating

Hi All,

I used to be a regular on this forum, haven't posted for ages tho....been on the

Buhner herbs for over a year now. Hi Knotweed, how's it going?

For me it was the japanese knotweed and andrographis that gave me my stomach

issues but never constipation. (I understand that andro isn't in Buhners list

anymore but I still take it anyway)

I was wondering if any of you are taking herbs to detoxify your liver? Maybe

that is why everyone here has the constipation problem...not sure but

maybe...milk thistle is just plain good for us lymees anyways cuz we often have

elevated liver counts. Cats claw can be hard on the liver too. Milk thistle

detoxes the liver and helps to get things moving again.

After taking these herbs for over a year now I don't have stomach issues

anymore. Almost makes me think that maybe the stomach issues are caused when we

are killing the LD in our guts...herx of the stomach maybe? Who knows tho.

Take Care,

Chris

[Guest guest]

Injectable works great & reasonable price & no gut issues.......

Jazzman

[ ] Re: Constipation + Bloating

I am no scientist about it, but seems to me that they have to come out

of hibernation to feed, so feeding them as long as you are also killing

them might be fine. Some docs do oral magnesium.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

I've never heard that oral magnesium feeds the bugs! Is that true?

Connie

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Very interesting story. I also have had symptoms since late 70's.

Jazzman

[ ] Re: Constipation + Bloating

> Have you improved in the year on Buhner herbs?

Hi Jazzman,

I have definitely improved with the Buhner herbs but as usual it is so

complicated. IMHO, for the treatment of chronic LD, a combination of herbs,

antibiotics, diet, exercise, detoxification, stress reduction and emotional

healing is necessary.

In my case I was misdxd with MS in 2004 but never took the MS meds. Instead I

began taking herbs to help kick-start my immune system. I have only had one MS

attack and that was when I was dxd almost 7 yrs ago so the Buhner herbs must be

doing something good.

I figure I've had LD and company since I was a kid.around 1980 or so. I was

tested in Canada in 2005 and 2007 but the results came back negative...I wasn't

real confident with these results so decided to check for myself. I got a 6 wk

rx for minocycline in 2008. I figured that either the presence of, or the lack

of a herx would be better proof than an inaccurate test result. The Herx was so

unbearable I quit taking the mino within a wk. That was when I became convinced

that I had LD.

I started taking cats claw instead of mino and experienced a more manageable

herx. I was also taking other supplements like gingko, acidophilus, milk

thistle, CoQ10, B12, folic acid,B6, etc. Oh yeah, I modified my diet too right

from the start.

In January of 2009 I went for my last MRI, the week before I started taking the

Buhner herbs; cats claw, smilax, boneset tea, stephania, red root, andrographis,

siberian ginseng and japanese knotweed. I have also taken artemisia annua off

and on. I found that smilax and stephania root weren't doing too much for me so

I dropped them after a couple months.

In January of 2010 I sent my blood to Igenex. It was CDC positive by WB for LD.

That was a year after starting the Buhner herbs..As far as symptoms go at that

point I had seen a reduction of maybe 25% or so overall. I decided it was time

to go one step further and started taking minocycline. I also took 1 ½ mths

worth of tinidazole and another round of artemisia annua. I continued to take

andrographis, cats claw, japanese knotweed and ginseng. During this period I saw

a dramatic reduction of symptoms. I heard that in addition to being a cystbuster

tinidazole kills babesia and that has got me thinking how complex the

relationship is between the coinfections and LD. For instance, biofilms are

communities containing both the Lyme bacteria and the coinfections so when we

open up the biofilm with cystbusters (such as grapefruit seed extract,

serrapeptase, tinidazole etc) we have to be ready to treat the coinfections. I

have also realized thru experience that many of the symptoms that I have

attributed to LD may actually be caused by babesia cuz every time I do a mth of

artemisia annua I feel so much better. I have just ordered some artemisinin to

see whether this stronger version of artemisia annua will help further.

BTW the Drs here refuse to accept LD as my diagnosis lol. As far as they are

concerned I have MS. I have an appointment with my neurologist for Oct. and am

sure he will want a new MRI. I can't wait for the MRI results to see how my

self-mediated treatment has affected my brain lesions. With any luck there will

be a major reduction. Wouldn't that be a shock to my Drs lol!!