Guest guest Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Rifampin is an antiobiotic commonly used among llmd's for bartonelle. In a message dated 8/20/2010 11:26:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, maudsteinberg@... writes: Hi , I have Bartonella Heneslea too on top of Lyme . Being treated for Lyme now, but I am concerned about the bartonella. You probably got the Bartonella from the tick bite, but then again who knows for sure. I had cats as well at the time, but I understand that the the BLO and cat scratch have different manifestations. Anyway, I am sorry that none of the antibiotics worked for Baronella. I was given a prescription for Levaquin, but I refuse to take it, because of the horror stoies about the side effects. Aside from the Buhner protocol and herbs what is there that cal help the Bartonella? Maud On Aug 20, 2010, at 11:01 AM, alicia.colon@... wrote: > My Igenex tests say I have Bartonella Heneslea sp? which I understand to > be cat scratch fever (I had 2 kittens). I have the symptoms of BLO, > swollen glands, scratch marks, rashes, agitation, etc. I've done the > abx's for Bartonella, but none of the symptoms have gone away, it's been > over 2 years now. Other symptoms have gone away which I believe were Lyme > related, but the Bartonella one's haven't. I'm too afraid of Levaquin > because of the side effects, the last 2 abx's I haven't done so far are > Zithro and Rif. and then I'm done w/abx's. > > I'm a lot better than I was, I went from not being able to walk, or sleep, > to function enough to work, I have to take a sleep aid to sleep, otherwise > I'm up all night starring at the ceiling. I've done Melatonin, I did the > ambien route which I wouldn't recommend for anyone (too addicting) xanax > works great for me, it helps relax my body, which helps relax my mind. I > no longer dream, so I don't think I go into a REM sleep, so I wake up not > feeling very rested, but at least I get about 6 hrs. sleep. > > I think everything I've done from oral abx's, iv abx's, abx shots, herbs, > detoxing, changing my diet, etc. everything helps chip away slowly and > peel off a piece of the onion skin. I don't think there is a magic pill > that's gonna eliminate what's going on in our bodies, I feel you have to > keep hitting it w/something all the time, and keep peeling those layers. > > It's nice to have these groups to share stories and learn new techniques, > kudos to the moderators and thanks to everyone for being so supportive! > > > > From: > " knot_weed " <tek0nik@...> > To: > > Date: > 08/20/2010 03:41 AM > Subject: > [ ] Re: Being Alone > Sent by: > > > > > > > > > Please forgive my ignorance- but then where does it come from?? > > just to be sure: it is not my opinion that you can't get Bart from a tick. > I'm talking about what the medics and some scientists claim. They say Bart > transfer from ticks to humans is not proven. One could get Bart from pets > (like with cat scratch disease) or many other routes. There is so much we > don't know. > > It is not only ticks that are a walking zoo, you could say the same for > humans. > > One can't experiment on humans for establishing infection routes, and that > makes it difficult to know for sure where an infection comes from. > Experimenting on lab animals does not say much either: Bb behaves quite > differently in most lab animals, only in rhesus monkeys the outcome is > very similar to humans. > > Some Borrelia species (e.g. the one from louse borne relapse fever) are > even 100% specific for humans. If you test them on lab animals you can > easily reach the wrong conclusions. > > Any U.S. tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions. > __________________________________________________________ > The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Guest guest Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 My Igenex tests say I have Bartonella Heneslea sp? which I understand to be cat scratch fever (I had 2 kittens). I have the symptoms of BLO, swollen glands, scratch marks, rashes, agitation, etc. I've done the abx's for Bartonella, but none of the symptoms have gone away, it's been over 2 years now. Other symptoms have gone away which I believe were Lyme related, but the Bartonella one's haven't. I'm too afraid of Levaquin because of the side effects, the last 2 abx's I haven't done so far are Zithro and Rif. and then I'm done w/abx's. I'm a lot better than I was, I went from not being able to walk, or sleep, to function enough to work, I have to take a sleep aid to sleep, otherwise I'm up all night starring at the ceiling. I've done Melatonin, I did the ambien route which I wouldn't recommend for anyone (too addicting) xanax works great for me, it helps relax my body, which helps relax my mind. I no longer dream, so I don't think I go into a REM sleep, so I wake up not feeling very rested, but at least I get about 6 hrs. sleep. I think everything I've done from oral abx's, iv abx's, abx shots, herbs, detoxing, changing my diet, etc. everything helps chip away slowly and peel off a piece of the onion skin. I don't think there is a magic pill that's gonna eliminate what's going on in our bodies, I feel you have to keep hitting it w/something all the time, and keep peeling those layers. It's nice to have these groups to share stories and learn new techniques, kudos to the moderators and thanks to everyone for being so supportive! From: " knot_weed " <tek0nik@...> To: Date: 08/20/2010 03:41 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Being Alone Sent by: > > > Please forgive my ignorance- but then where does it come from?? just to be sure: it is not my opinion that you can't get Bart from a tick. I'm talking about what the medics and some scientists claim. They say Bart transfer from ticks to humans is not proven. One could get Bart from pets (like with cat scratch disease) or many other routes. There is so much we don't know. It is not only ticks that are a walking zoo, you could say the same for humans. One can't experiment on humans for establishing infection routes, and that makes it difficult to know for sure where an infection comes from. Experimenting on lab animals does not say much either: Bb behaves quite differently in most lab animals, only in rhesus monkeys the outcome is very similar to humans. Some Borrelia species (e.g. the one from louse borne relapse fever) are even 100% specific for humans. If you test them on lab animals you can easily reach the wrong conclusions. Any U.S. tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions. ________________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Notice required by law: This e-mail may constitute an advertisement or solicitation under U.S. law, if its primary purpose is to advertise or promote a commercial product or service. You may choose not to receive advertising and promotional messages from Ernst & Young LLP (except for Ernst & Young Online and the ey.com website, which track e-mail preferences through a separate process) at this e-mail address by forwarding this message to no-more-mail@.... If you do so, the sender of this message will be notified promptly. Our principal postal address is 5 Times Square, New York, NY 10036. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Hi , I have Bartonella Heneslea too on top of Lyme . Being treated for Lyme now, but I am concerned about the bartonella. You probably got the Bartonella from the tick bite, but then again who knows for sure. I had cats as well at the time, but I understand that the the BLO and cat scratch have different manifestations. Anyway, I am sorry that none of the antibiotics worked for Baronella. I was given a prescription for Levaquin, but I refuse to take it, because of the horror stoies about the side effects. Aside from the Buhner protocol and herbs what is there that cal help the Bartonella? Maud On Aug 20, 2010, at 11:01 AM, alicia.colon@... wrote: > My Igenex tests say I have Bartonella Heneslea sp? which I understand to > be cat scratch fever (I had 2 kittens). I have the symptoms of BLO, > swollen glands, scratch marks, rashes, agitation, etc. I've done the > abx's for Bartonella, but none of the symptoms have gone away, it's been > over 2 years now. Other symptoms have gone away which I believe were Lyme > related, but the Bartonella one's haven't. I'm too afraid of Levaquin > because of the side effects, the last 2 abx's I haven't done so far are > Zithro and Rif. and then I'm done w/abx's. > > I'm a lot better than I was, I went from not being able to walk, or sleep, > to function enough to work, I have to take a sleep aid to sleep, otherwise > I'm up all night starring at the ceiling. I've done Melatonin, I did the > ambien route which I wouldn't recommend for anyone (too addicting) xanax > works great for me, it helps relax my body, which helps relax my mind. I > no longer dream, so I don't think I go into a REM sleep, so I wake up not > feeling very rested, but at least I get about 6 hrs. sleep. > > I think everything I've done from oral abx's, iv abx's, abx shots, herbs, > detoxing, changing my diet, etc. everything helps chip away slowly and > peel off a piece of the onion skin. I don't think there is a magic pill > that's gonna eliminate what's going on in our bodies, I feel you have to > keep hitting it w/something all the time, and keep peeling those layers. > > It's nice to have these groups to share stories and learn new techniques, > kudos to the moderators and thanks to everyone for being so supportive! > > > > From: > " knot_weed " <tek0nik@...> > To: > > Date: > 08/20/2010 03:41 AM > Subject: > [ ] Re: Being Alone > Sent by: > > > > > > > > > Please forgive my ignorance- but then where does it come from?? > > just to be sure: it is not my opinion that you can't get Bart from a tick. > I'm talking about what the medics and some scientists claim. They say Bart > transfer from ticks to humans is not proven. One could get Bart from pets > (like with cat scratch disease) or many other routes. There is so much we > don't know. > > It is not only ticks that are a walking zoo, you could say the same for > humans. > > One can't experiment on humans for establishing infection routes, and that > makes it difficult to know for sure where an infection comes from. > Experimenting on lab animals does not say much either: Bb behaves quite > differently in most lab animals, only in rhesus monkeys the outcome is > very similar to humans. > > Some Borrelia species (e.g. the one from louse borne relapse fever) are > even 100% specific for humans. If you test them on lab animals you can > easily reach the wrong conclusions. > > Any U.S. tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions. > __________________________________________________________ > The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. > > Notice required by law: This e-mail may constitute an advertisement or solicitation under U.S. law, if its primary purpose is to advertise or promote a commercial product or service. You may choose not to receive advertising and promotional messages from Ernst & Young LLP (except for Ernst & Young Online and the ey.com website, which track e-mail preferences through a separate process) at this e-mail address by forwarding this message to no-more-mail@.... If you do so, the sender of this message will be notified promptly. Our principal postal address is 5 Times Square, New York, NY 10036. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Yes, I tried to get a prescription for Rifampin from my doctor, but she wouldn't do it. I am going to NIHA on the 30th and maybe they can help. Maud On Aug 20, 2010, at 2:07 PM, WAlakhdar@... wrote: > > Rifampin is an antiobiotic commonly used among llmd's for bartonelle. > > > > In a message dated 8/20/2010 11:26:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > maudsteinberg@... writes: > > Hi , > > I have Bartonella Heneslea too on top of Lyme . Being treated for Lyme > now, but I am concerned about the bartonella. You probably got the > Bartonella from the tick bite, but then again who knows for sure. I had cats as > well at the time, but I understand that the the BLO and cat scratch have > different manifestations. Anyway, I am sorry that none of the antibiotics > worked for Baronella. I was given a prescription for Levaquin, but I refuse to > take it, because of the horror stoies about the side effects. Aside from > the Buhner protocol and herbs what is there that cal help the Bartonella? > Maud > > On Aug 20, 2010, at 11:01 AM, alicia.colon@... wrote: > > > My Igenex tests say I have Bartonella Heneslea sp? which I understand to > > be cat scratch fever (I had 2 kittens). I have the symptoms of BLO, > > swollen glands, scratch marks, rashes, agitation, etc. I've done the > > abx's for Bartonella, but none of the symptoms have gone away, it's been > > over 2 years now. Other symptoms have gone away which I believe were > Lyme > > related, but the Bartonella one's haven't. I'm too afraid of Levaquin > > because of the side effects, the last 2 abx's I haven't done so far are > > Zithro and Rif. and then I'm done w/abx's. > > > > I'm a lot better than I was, I went from not being able to walk, or > sleep, > > to function enough to work, I have to take a sleep aid to sleep, > otherwise > > I'm up all night starring at the ceiling. I've done Melatonin, I did the > > ambien route which I wouldn't recommend for anyone (too addicting) xanax > > works great for me, it helps relax my body, which helps relax my mind. I > > no longer dream, so I don't think I go into a REM sleep, so I wake up > not > > feeling very rested, but at least I get about 6 hrs. sleep. > > > > I think everything I've done from oral abx's, iv abx's, abx shots, > herbs, > > detoxing, changing my diet, etc. everything helps chip away slowly and > > peel off a piece of the onion skin. I don't think there is a magic pill > > that's gonna eliminate what's going on in our bodies, I feel you have to > > keep hitting it w/something all the time, and keep peeling those layers. > > > > It's nice to have these groups to share stories and learn new > techniques, > > kudos to the moderators and thanks to everyone for being so supportive! > > > > > > > > From: > > " knot_weed " <tek0nik@...> > > To: > > > > Date: > > 08/20/2010 03:41 AM > > Subject: > > [ ] Re: Being Alone > > Sent by: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please forgive my ignorance- but then where does it come from?? > > > > just to be sure: it is not my opinion that you can't get Bart from a > tick. > > I'm talking about what the medics and some scientists claim. They say > Bart > > transfer from ticks to humans is not proven. One could get Bart from > pets > > (like with cat scratch disease) or many other routes. There is so much > we > > don't know. > > > > It is not only ticks that are a walking zoo, you could say the same for > > humans. > > > > One can't experiment on humans for establishing infection routes, and > that > > makes it difficult to know for sure where an infection comes from. > > Experimenting on lab animals does not say much either: Bb behaves quite > > differently in most lab animals, only in rhesus monkeys the outcome is > > very similar to humans. > > > > Some Borrelia species (e.g. the one from louse borne relapse fever) are > > even 100% specific for humans. If you test them on lab animals you can > > easily reach the wrong conclusions. > > > > Any U.S. tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not > intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the > purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue > Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions. > > __________________________________________________________ > > The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not > the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering > this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. 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Guest guest Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Maud, Are you going to see Dr. R at NIHA? I can't say enough terrific things about him. he has saved my life twice in the past two years. I wouldn't be here writing this if it wasn't for him. I've seen 12 other doctors who didn't have a clue what was wrong with me and he diagnosed me in 4 minutes and he was absolutely right and pulled me back from death. He's the one who told me I had Lyme and put me on the herbal protocol. He has an assistance (M.) who I love as much as Dr. R. they are both very Lyme literate. Barbara > > Yes, I tried to get a prescription for Rifampin from my doctor, but she wouldn't do it. I am going to NIHA on the 30th and maybe they can help. Maud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Hi Barbara, I am going to see Dr.B, whi is supposed to be the Lyme specialist, but I have heard so many god things about Dr. R. So the herbal protocol has helped you a lot. Did you ever take any antibiotis? Maud > > > > Yes, I tried to get a prescription for Rifampin from my doctor, but she wouldn't do it. I am going to NIHA on the 30th and maybe they can help. Maud > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 All I've taken so far is the knotweed. It's been doing very well for me. In the next couple weeks I'll add some other things on the protocol. I have a lot of heart issues so I'm moving very slowly. > > > > > > Yes, I tried to get a prescription for Rifampin from my doctor, but she wouldn't do it. I am going to NIHA on the 30th and maybe they can help. Maud > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I have heart issues as well. My BP would bounce from 64 to 156 over nothing. I have added the garlic with hawthorne - it's the number 106. I can give you all the exacts if you are interested. The other issue you might look at is detoxing. That will be especially important so you don't strain your heart or your liver. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of firstmenders Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: [ ] Re: OT/Bartonella origins All I've taken so far is the knotweed. It's been doing very well for me. In the next couple weeks I'll add some other things on the protocol. I have a lot of heart issues so I'm moving very slowly. > > > > > > Yes, I tried to get a prescription for Rifampin from my doctor, but she wouldn't do it. I am going to NIHA on the 30th and maybe they can help. Maud > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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