Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 [ ] Re:serotonin challenge I hate to call it war, rather call it a difference of opinion as there is research backing both 'sides'. On the MP/marshall Protocol, one does not take 'a lot' of abx, it is actually quite minimal amounts as olmesartan/Benicar is an ARB/angiotension receptor site blocker - thus 'disabling' pathogens that have antiogension site receptors like Lyme and allowing much smaller amounts of abx to be used than is normally used orally for Chronic/Persistant Lyme. I would not be able to tolerate the amounts of oral abx that my son has used. I have gotten some permanent gains even tho/but I've not been an ideal patient for various reasons NOT medically related, so I'm not the best example even. If you read the research _http://synergyhn.http://syneht_ (http://synergyhn.com/editor-2/) _http://synergyhn.http://sy_ (http://synergyhn.com/talk/) _http://synergyhn.http://syner_ (http://synergyhn.com/lesions/) there is always another side; AND not every protocol is for every person; and most with Lyme & Co usually need more than one route eventually. I think we all learn that lesson over time. My doctor said I was the only one of his pts, a very tiny group (less than 10) with different problems that did not have sarcoidosis that reported good effects, but hey, I have! (All his sarc pts did better). I'm not telling anyone to do it, we all have to inform ourselves and make our own decisions tho. For the record, before the MP I took high doses of D3. As usual, it initially helped and then quit, just like everything else before the MP. The only other things that have ever helped me is physiological doses of cortisol and B12 injections. Again we all have such ideosyncratic reactions, one just has to keep trying imho... Ava --- In _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_ (mailto: ) <mailto:Lyme_mailto:Lymemailto:Lyme_<Wmai> , allrpossible@ > > There is a war about this. Some say get all the sun you can and > supplement Vit. D, and some say avoid sun and Vit. D at all costs. > There is a protocol called the Marshall Protocol that entails avoiding > Vit. D while also lots of antibiotics. I scanned the forums and did not > see that they were doing any better than those who just took lots of > antibiotics. I vote to taking Vit. D and lots of sun and that is what I > do, and I feel it helps very noticeably. So much in fact, that I feel > that if I were to get many hours of sun every day, it might be enough to > rid most of my symptoms. My whole family tests low in Vit. D which is > typical in chronic bacterial infections. I vote for the sun, after all, > it's natural and Americans were all a lot healthier when we were getting > lots of sun. > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > > I've been hearing that Lyme patients should stay out of direct sunlight > during the healing process. But with the necessity of sunlight for > adaquate serotonin production (at least for some of us) how do we get > by? I suppose with herbs and supplements. > ... Any suggestions? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _Back to top _ (mip://0b500170/default.html#toc) _Reply to sender _ (mailto:montylife@...?Subject=Re:%20serotonin%20challenge) | _Reply to group _ (mailto: ?Subject= Re:%20serotonin%20challenge) | _Reply via web post _ ( /post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZnR0MDM2BF9TAzk\ 3MzU5Nz E1BGdycElkAzE4Mzg5MTU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTEwNjAxMgRtc2dJZAMxNTk1NARzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjgxMDk2NTk1?act=reply & messageNum=15954) _Messages in this topic _ ( /message/15886;_ylc=X3oDMTM4aDYyaH\ JyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4Mzg5MTU3BGdycHN wSWQDMTcwNTEwNjAxMgRtc2dJZAMxNTk1NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjgxMDk 2NTk1BHRwY0lkAzE1ODg2) (14) 5b. _gut repair _ ( /message/15960;_ylc=X3oDMTJzazM4aW\ V1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4Mzg5MTU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTEw NjAxMgRtc2dJZAMxNTk2MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjgxMDk2NTk1) Posted by: " knot_weed " _tek0nik@... _ (mailto:tek0nik@...?Subject= Re:gut%20repair) _knot_weed _ (knot_weed) Thu Aug 5, 2010 12:02 pm (PDT) --- In _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_ (mailto: ) , montylife@.., > > Compaines that make permeability products. > Integretive therapeutics- Integretive therapeutics-<WBR>Permeability factors (only co out there that > Allergy Research Group-Perm a vite > Biogenesis- intestinal Repair Complex. are those some special kind or probiotics? Never seen it in the medical literature. > These are all professional only lines, but you will be able to search and find them on the internet. > > There are other options to help support the gut. But let me know how this goes. Happy to share more on detox and repairs . I got gluten sensitivity after my ABX treatment for Lyme (or maybe it already was there before the ABX or before the lyme, as some people think). I have been on a low gluten diet for over a year with good result. I tried Aloe Vera drink recently, I like the taste and it is said to cure certain gut functions. At first it produced pretty severe cramping a few hours after taking even a small dose. Now I can drink it without too much trouble, but I didn't notice any clear benefit. 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So what are you all using? 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