Lyme Disease Transmission

[Guest guest]

Aerosolized? Excuse me? It dies in air, there is too much oxygen for

it to survive.

-------------------------------------

 

Yes, that is what the doctor/medical researcher told me during my last consult

with him.

He is highly respected.   And he is the second Texas doctor who has told me

that.  

 

In addition, I have friends with Lyme in California and land, and they were

both told that on their last visit to their doctors. 

 

I'm housebound and primarily bedridden with the disease.  My consult with the

doc was by phone.  I got the bill today.  I am going to call him and ask where

get got that information. 

 

Josie

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

even Drs can be wrong--they often simply repeat what theyv heard or what theyve

seen written and almost never go back to the source to make sure its true

IF you can, many here would appreciate any further info you can find out--like

the source for Lyme Borrelia being aerosolized and like I said even IF thats

true (highly doubt it) that doesnt mean it can? be transmitted that way.

not all things in the air droplets and that get into the body become infective.

many are digested or dissolved. Its a very different thing to be able to

transmit and then make more disease...hence " communicable " --able to be passed

along like the common cold virus,.and as far as Ive seen or read Borrelia is

still only " vector borne " needing a vector to pass it along other than if its in

a transfusion of blood.

F

[Guest guest]

I would like to add " why can't the cyst Bb be aerosolized and propagate ? " it is

in a high gear survival mode that can spring back to full adult Bb several

months later, perhaps years. This bacteria is extremely adaptive, accepting

vectro borne transference is very narrow minded. Most of the scientific

community that accepts this theory also sells you on taking 10 days of

antibiotics, max 21 days of IV antibiotics. We all know what happens

next...........

________________________________

From: " FinRussak@... " <FinRussak@...>

Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:30:16 PM

Subject: [ ] Re:Lyme Disease Transmission

even Drs can be wrong--they often simply repeat what theyv heard or what theyve

seen written and almost never go back to the source to make sure its true

IF you can, many here would appreciate any further info you can find out--like

the source for Lyme Borrelia being aerosolized and like I said even IF thats

true (highly doubt it) that doesnt mean it can? be transmitted that way.

not all things in the air droplets and that get into the body become infective.

many are digested or dissolved. Its a very different thing to be able to

transmit and then make more disease...hence " communicable " --able to be passed

along like the common cold virus,.and as far as Ive seen or read Borrelia is

still only " vector borne " needing a vector to pass it along other than if its in

a transfusion of blood.

F

[Guest guest]

[i would like to add " why can't the cyst?Bb be aerosolized and propagate ? " it

is in a high gear survival mode that can spring back?to full adult Bb several

months later, perhaps years. This bacteria is extremely adaptive, accepting

vectro borne transference is very narrow minded. Most of the scientific

community that accepts this theory also sells you on taking 10 days of

antibiotics, max 21 days of IV?antibiotics. We all know what happens

next...........

]

its not a matter of who you " believe " . there are simple biological limits to

every organism. Some could live on the moon, others not so much

its fact that some organisms need to live INSIDE another organism to survive.

yes some can lie dormant in the environment--like anthrax--in spore form ,BUT

many cannot ( and thankfully so)

Borrelia spirochetes cannot live outside a host and therefore require some sort

of transmission. Also their lifecycle like malaria requires a host/vecotr

system--there MAY be other vectors yet to be found and other transmission

methods..but that doesnt mean you discard what we know about that organism--it

cannot live outside another host

and thats one reason its so VERY hard to culture it in a lab...its very picky

about where and how ?it " likes " to live.

ONLY inside another organsim can it " spring back to life " and we arent even sure

under what circumstances and for how long.

[Guest guest]

If this is only a vector born disease as you have stated, can it be transmitted

via mothers milk or other body fluids? This one has already been given a yes

from informed researchers.

________________________________

From: " FinRussak@... " <FinRussak@...>

Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:13:52 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Lyme Disease Transmission

[i would like to add " why can't the cyst?Bb be aerosolized and propagate ? " it

is in a high gear survival mode that can spring back?to full adult Bb several

months later, perhaps years. This bacteria is extremely adaptive, accepting

vectro borne transference is very narrow minded. Most of the scientific

community that accepts this theory also sells you on taking 10 days of

antibiotics, max 21 days of IV?antibiotics. We all know what happens

next........ ...

]

its not a matter of who you " believe " . there are simple biological limits to

every organism. Some could live on the moon, others not so much

its fact that some organisms need to live INSIDE another organism to survive.

yes some can lie dormant in the environment- -like anthrax--in spore form ,BUT

many cannot ( and thankfully so)

Borrelia spirochetes cannot live outside a host and therefore require some sort

of transmission. Also their lifecycle like malaria requires a host/vecotr

system--there MAY be other vectors yet to be found and other transmission

methods..but that doesnt mean you discard what we know about that organism--it

cannot live outside another host

and thats one reason its so VERY hard to culture it in a lab...its very picky

about where and how ?it " likes " to live.

ONLY inside another organsim can it " spring back to life " and we arent even sure

under what circumstances and for how long.

[Guest guest]

I nursed both my kids and I want to know the real truth and not

conjecture. Have they found the Bb in any form in breast milk and

then have they proven it does cause infection? I read somewhere about

huters drinking deer blood and not getting lyme. Perhaps the factors

in the deer blood that keep the deer from getting lyme help.. but the

article said something about a more developed digestive tract (?). Is

there scientific evidence that breat milk transfers Bb that

transforms into infection or is it based on assumption? Also... I

hear some warn agains raw cow milk.. then I hear of others saying raw

cow milk has helped them.. ????????? I want to know! Once we get to

the milk stage of our GAPS diet, I want to use raw goat or cow. Sal

>

> If this is only a vector born disease as you have stated, can it be

transmitted via mothers milk or other body fluids? This one has

already been given a yes from informed researchers.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " FinRussak@... " <FinRussak@...>

>

> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:13:52 PM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Lyme Disease Transmission

>

>

>

>

> [i would like to add " why can't the cyst?Bb be aerosolized and

propagate ? " it is in a high gear survival mode that can spring back?

to full adult Bb several months later, perhaps years. This bacteria

is extremely adaptive, accepting vectro borne transference is very

narrow minded. Most of the scientific community that accepts this

theory also sells you on taking 10 days of antibiotics, max 21 days

of IV?antibiotics. We all know what happens next........ ...

>

> ]

>

> its not a matter of who you " believe " . there are simple biological

limits to every organism. Some could live on the moon, others not so

much

>

> its fact that some organisms need to live INSIDE another organism

to survive. yes some can lie dormant in the environment- -like

anthrax--in spore form ,BUT many cannot ( and thankfully so)

>

> Borrelia spirochetes cannot live outside a host and therefore

require some sort of transmission. Also their lifecycle like malaria

requires a host/vecotr system--there MAY be other vectors yet to be

found and other transmission methods..but that doesnt mean you

discard what we know about that organism--it cannot live outside

another host

>

> and thats one reason its so VERY hard to culture it in a lab...its

very picky about where and how ?it " likes " to live.

>

> ONLY inside another organsim can it " spring back to life " and we

arent even sure under what circumstances and for how long.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sal,

I was told by my LLMD that an adult stomach is different (more

developed with acids and such?- I can not fully remember) than an

infant's. For this reason, it is possible that the adult stomach can

kill off the Bb in deer blood and possibly an infant can not kill Bb

in milk.

There are some tests that show evidence of Bb in breast milk. There

is a belief by some that it can be transmitted by human breast milk

(it's been done in rats). There are antibiotics that can be taken to

better protect the baby from this possible transmission.

Below are some clips that I took from their following links (To

confuse you more, I included both sides on the issue). Since there

is no clear cut answer, I'll let you decide what believe.

Take care,

Rich (skiweasel7)

---------------------------

This research project had found the Bb antigen in whole blood, breast

milk, placental tissue, semen, eye fluid, tooth, foot nodule,

shoulder fluid, spinal fluid, finger joint fluid and African dust.

http://www.wildernetwork.org/bowen.html

…breast milk from two lactating women with erythema migrans was

tested and also found reactive.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=7648832 & dopt=Abstract

Dr. Ray , the leading pediatric specialist on Lyme

Disease, has found 12 breast fed children who have developed LD.

Miscarriage, premature births, stillborn, birth defects, and

transplacental infection of the fetus have all been reported. Studies

at the Univ. of Vienna have found Bb in urine and breast milk of LD

mothers.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james26.htm

There is no evidence for parvovirus transmission through breast milk

in humans, although it has been identified in rat milk. Continued

breastfeeding by a mother with parvovirus infection is reasonable.

(Page 516 – or 16 of 28)

The existence, diagnosis, and treatment of chronic Lyme disease

remain highly controversial. B burgdorferi is primarily arthropod-

borne and -transmitted. It is transmitted prenatally uncommonly, even

in endemic areas [93], but B burgdorferi as the cause of illness in

the fetus or congenital abnormalities is debated [94 – 96]. B

burgdorferi DNA has been reported in breast milk, but there is no

evidence for illness in the infant or transmission of the spirochete

to the infant through breast milk [97]. In spite of the paucity of

data, caution may be warranted. With a confirmed diagnosis of acute

Lyme disease in the mother, it is appropriate to discuss the

available information with the mother or parents and to recommend

temporarily avoiding breastfeeding and breast milk for 24 to 48 hours

after beginning maternal antibiotic therapy (amoxicillin [Amoxil,

Trimox, and others], penicillin [numerous trade names], or

ceftriaxone [Rocephin]). (Page 517-518 – or 17-18 of 28)

http://www.dynabizvenezuela.com/images/dynabiz/ID3749/siteinfo/Breast%

20milk%20and%20infection.pdf

Here is what we know:

• In a paper from the US Centers for Disease Control website

( & Feder, 2004), it is stated that: " B. burgdorferi has never

been cultured from human breast milk, and there is no case of an

infant developing symptomatic or asymptomatic B. burgdorferi

infection from breast milk. "

• In one study (Ziska et al, 1996), seven breastfeeding mothers

with Lyme disease were studied, and none of their babies contracted

Lyme disease.

• In another study (Schmidt et al, 1995), DNA associated with

Lyme disease were detected in the breastmilk of two mothers, but

neither of their babies contracted Lyme disease - per Lawrence &

Lawrence (2005), it is not known whether the DNA were from infectious

spirochetes or were non-infectious DNA fragments.

The general consensus is that breastfeeding should continue if a

mother has Lyme disease, especially if she has already started or

completed treatment. There are several medications that can be used

to treat Lyme disease in breastfeeding mothers.

http://www.kellymom.com/health/illness/lyme-disease.html

Lyme disease is not transmitted by breast milk. The American Academy

of Pediatrics RedBook® states that no causal relationship between

maternal Lyme disease and pregnancy complications or congenital

abnormalities has been conclusively documented.

(this site has a few things I disagree with, but since I found it, I

will be fair and share it):

http://www.pediatriceducation.org/2007/04/23

>

>

> I nursed both my kids and I want to know the real truth and not

> conjecture. Have they found the Bb in any form in breast milk and

> then have they proven it does cause infection? I read somewhere

about

> huters drinking deer blood and not getting lyme. Perhaps the

factors

> in the deer blood that keep the deer from getting lyme help.. but

the

> article said something about a more developed digestive tract (?).

Is

> there scientific evidence that breat milk transfers Bb that

> transforms into infection or is it based on assumption? Also... I

> hear some warn agains raw cow milk.. then I hear of others saying

raw

> cow milk has helped them.. ????????? I want to know! Once we get to

> the milk stage of our GAPS diet, I want to use raw goat or cow. Sal

>

[Guest guest]

I said so far known to be vector borne--and the presence in breast milk cant

prove transmission--how do we know the baby didnt get it while in utero?? you

cant and thats far more likely due to shared blood

Until and unless a women breast feeds spirochetes to an adopted baby who wasnt

exposed to a single tick and then gets Lyme anyway-you cant prove it

" informed researchers'??? scientists who study spiro's havent confirmed this yet

at all

again while it may be possible its not probable and no where near " proven " .

so while it may be prudent to take more care, theres no reason for hysteria

[Guest guest]

Rich,

Firstly, let me say THANK YOU for taking the time to find and share

those links. That was really helpful and appreciated.

I want to make a point to breast feeding mothers. On one of the studies

listed, a researcher recommends that a mother temporarily stop breast

feeding when she first begins treatment for Lyme. PLEASE, PLEASE,

PLEASE, pump and dump if you decide to stop for a day or a few days. In

addition to preventing you from getting engorged, it is important that

you keep your breasts' filters in tact. Your breasts have an incredibly

effective filter that help prevent many things from entering your

child's system. When you stop breast feeding, the filter begins to

break down as your body prepares to stop lactating. Thus it is

important to pump and dump so that your filter remains intact. (It

makes you wonder if the women's filters were in tact when the

researchers found the spirochetes in the breast milk)

I hope this helps. I breast fed my child for almost two years before I

found out I had Lyme. Everyone tried to get me to stop immediately. A

lot of people (especially doctors) recommend that you stop breast

feeding immediately, even it situations where it is completely safe.

Many doctors have no idea how healthful breast milk is and how well

designed a woman's body is for breastfeeding. They often promote

formula as " just as good " . Yeah. Right.

~M

My blog: www.iammimi.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Rick. Sal

> >

> >

> > I nursed both my kids and I want to know the real truth and not

> > conjecture. Have they found the Bb in any form in breast milk and

> > then have they proven it does cause infection? I read somewhere

> about

> > huters drinking deer blood and not getting lyme. Perhaps the

> factors

> > in the deer blood that keep the deer from getting lyme help.. but

> the

> > article said something about a more developed digestive tract

(?).

> Is

> > there scientific evidence that breat milk transfers Bb that

> > transforms into infection or is it based on assumption? Also... I

> > hear some warn agains raw cow milk.. then I hear of others saying

> raw

> > cow milk has helped them.. ????????? I want to know! Once we get

to

> > the milk stage of our GAPS diet, I want to use raw goat or cow.

Sal

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Finette. I really dont need more hysteria in my life (but I

think that is a by product when people dont know and no one can say

for sure 100% one way or the other), and I am grateful I dont have to

make the decision to breastfeed.. the deed has been done in that

regard, whether good or bad. I would like to think my babies got

antibodies from the breast milk and other good things that might help

them if they contracted in utero.

I do think it is Cowden who has warned against raw milk from cows..

could be wrong about that.

I *am* currently purchasing raw cheese and I hope that is safe. I

want to purchase raw goat or cow milk in the near future. I hear some

with Lyme say yay and others say nay.

What do you think? Everyone else?

Sal

>

> I said so far known to be vector borne--and the presence in breast

milk cant prove transmission--how do we know the baby didnt get it

while in utero?? you cant and thats far more likely due to shared

blood

>

> Until and unless a women breast feeds spirochetes to an adopted

baby who wasnt exposed to a single tick and then gets Lyme anyway-you

cant prove it

>

>

>

> " informed researchers'??? scientists who study spiro's havent

confirmed this yet at all

>

> again while it may be possible its not probable and no where

near " proven " .

> so while it may be prudent to take more care, theres no reason for

hysteria

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Borrelia burgdorferi is micro aerophilic and dies in the oxygen

content/partial pressure of air. It cannot be aerosolized and thus

your Texas docs, whoever they are, have probably gone off the deep

end...no offense intended. Absolutely, biologically, scientifically,

this is simply not possible. It would be like defying the law of

gravity. They have no evidence of such and frankly if it were easily

transmissible and aerosolized it would spread like the seasonal flu.

That's really silly.

Again, not trying to offend you.

> -------------------------------------

>  

> Yes, that is what the doctor/medical researcher told me during my

last consult with him.

> He is highly respected.   And he is the second Texas doctor who has

told me that.  

>  

> In addition, I have friends with Lyme in California and land,

and they were both told that on their last visit to their doctors. 

>  

> I'm housebound and primarily bedridden with the disease.  My consult

with the doc was by phone.  I got the bill today.  I am going to call

him and ask where get got that information. 

>  

> Josie

>

[Guest guest]

Regarding Vector Borne... does that mean only blood or fluid to fluid,

mucous membrane born? Then, how much Bb? Seems a little tick would not

have much to " share " so to speak...

As far as oxygen killing the Bb... that would also mean dried fluids?

(meaning blood)

Sal

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure what you mean by " a little tick would not have much to

share " . Ticks, like mosquitoes that transmit malaria, are a fine vector.

Yes, my assumption is it's blood to blood. That means a vector like a

tick which feeds for 3 days, is the best vector to transmit it. OTOH

perhaps occasionally other insects can transmit it, who knows for

sure. And certainly vertical transmission is possible from mother to

child in the womb.

Beyond that I think its all speculation and likely all false. I do not

think couples pass it to each other, nor do I think breastmilk passes

it (digestive acids would likely kill it). There is a question about

urine if it splashes in your eye could transmit it, there has been an

occasional rare anecdote to that effect.

>

> Regarding Vector Borne... does that mean only blood or fluid to fluid,

> mucous membrane born? Then, how much Bb? Seems a little tick would not

> have much to " share " so to speak...

>

> As far as oxygen killing the Bb... that would also mean dried fluids?

> (meaning blood)

>

> Sal

>

[Guest guest]

if it was so easily killed by digestive acids, wouldn't someone have

already figured out a way to kill it by now?

cathleen

jill1313 wrote:

>

> I'm not sure what you mean by " a little tick would not have much to

> share " . Ticks, like mosquitoes that transmit malaria, are a fine vector.

>

> Yes, my assumption is it's blood to blood. That means a vector like a

> tick which feeds for 3 days, is the best vector to transmit it. OTOH

> perhaps occasionally other insects can transmit it, who knows for

> sure. And certainly vertical transmission is possible from mother to

> child in the womb.

>

> Beyond that I think its all speculation and likely all false. I do not

> think couples pass it to each other, nor do I think breastmilk passes

> it (digestive acids would likely kill it). There is a question about

> urine if it splashes in your eye could transmit it, there has been an

> occasional rare anecdote to that effect.

>

>

> >

> > Regarding Vector Borne... does that mean only blood or fluid to fluid,

> > mucous membrane born? Then, how much Bb? Seems a little tick would not

> > have much to " share " so to speak...

> >

> > As far as oxygen killing the Bb... that would also mean dried fluids?

> > (meaning blood)

> >

> > Sal

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that blood to blood is the easiest way to get it. If there is a

chance that it is in breast milk then I would be concerned if the child was

teething and had any open cuts or sores in her mouth. The bacteria would be

able to enter the bloodstream that way.

Bonita

> Yes, my assumption is it's blood to blood. That means a vector like a

> tick which feeds for 3 days, is the best vector to transmit it. OTOH

> perhaps occasionally other insects can transmit it, who knows for

> sure. And certainly vertical transmission is possible from mother to

> child in the womb.

>

> Beyond that I think its all speculation and likely all false. I do not

> think couples pass it to each other, nor do I think breastmilk passes

> it (digestive acids would likely kill it). There is a question about

> urine if it splashes in your eye could transmit it, there has been an

> occasional rare anecdote to that effect.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I mean by " little to share " that blood to blood possibly may not take

much blood or Bb to infect. That would make sense that feeding for

three days makes the tick more " potent " ? I wonder how much Bb it

takes. Thank you. Sal

> >

> > Regarding Vector Borne... does that mean only blood or fluid to

fluid,

> > mucous membrane born? Then, how much Bb? Seems a little tick

would not

> > have much to " share " so to speak...

> >

> > As far as oxygen killing the Bb... that would also mean dried

fluids?

> > (meaning blood)

> >

> > Sal

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Some mothers have taken abx while breastfeeding but I think that's not

a good idea--for a baby to get abx in breastmilk every day.

I am not sure what I would do if I had active lyme and a baby. I might

get a wet nurse!

>

> I agree that blood to blood is the easiest way to get it. If there is a

> chance that it is in breast milk then I would be concerned if the

child was

> teething and had any open cuts or sores in her mouth. The bacteria

would be

> able to enter the bloodstream that way.

> Bonita

[Guest guest]

The current thinking is that as the tick feeds on human blood, the

spirochetes in the gut begin to express new proteins and get " ready "

for transmission, because human blood is hotter (temp) and perhaps

also its components signal to the spirochetes. So they start

expressing different Osp's (surface antigens) and start preparing for

the journey to the human host. Supposedly about the time the tick is

done feeding it essentially throws up--regurgitates its gut contents,

right into your bloodstream. Whether this happens because spirochetes

emit something to make it vomit, or whether all ticks do this anyway,

who knows.

Other pathogens--who knows, they could be transmitted more rapidly?

Bartonella, babesia, worms, I mean, its confusing.

Spirochetes are very adaptable among so many different hosts.

>

> I mean by " little to share " that blood to blood possibly may not take

> much blood or Bb to infect. That would make sense that feeding for

> three days makes the tick more " potent " ? I wonder how much Bb it

> takes. Thank you. Sal

s, my assumption is it's blood to blood. That means a vector like

[Guest guest]

It doesn't take long - I've heard of people getting infected after a tick

exposure of an hour and a half. And what of the folks who get it through

another insect bite? We're talking instant bingo.

In a message dated 11/2/2008 7:18:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

creekhopper@... writes:

I mean by " little to share " that blood to blood possibly may not take

much blood or Bb to infect. That would make sense that feeding for

three days makes the tick more " potent " ? I wonder how much Bb it

takes. Thank you. Sal

> >

> > Regarding Vector Borne... does that mean only blood or fluid to

fluid,

> > mucous membrane born? Then, how much Bb? Seems a little tick

would not

> > have much to " share " so to speak...

> >

> > As far as oxygen killing the Bb... that would also mean dried

fluids?

> > (meaning blood)

> >

> > Sal

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

mosquitos are very tiny, don't stay attached to the skin for more than a

few seconds and they transmit some very bad diseases that have been well

documented for a very long time.

cathleen

sfrobink@... wrote:

>

> It doesn't take long - I've heard of people getting infected after a tick

> exposure of an hour and a half. And what of the folks who get it through

> another insect bite? We're talking instant bingo.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. Thats interesting. As for pregnancy, breastfeeding and abx... I

worry when I allow myself to, about my dd's future as a mother. I

hope we've come a long way by then. How do you all deal with that

possibility regarding your children? Can they safely have children?

Even if so, and it has to be such a big deal, then what a burden for

them to grow up into that awareness. Sal

> >

> > It doesn't take long - I've heard of people getting infected

after a tick

> > exposure of an hour and a half. And what of the folks who get it

through

> > another insect bite? We're talking instant bingo.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To all:

Here's a quote from the most respected pediatrician in the field of treating

children with lyme disease, over 8000 cases, Dr. .

" Lyme disease is transmitted through a tick bite. But it can also be transmitted

through semen, breast milk and gestational fluids. This means that a fetus can

be infected by its mother " To date, Dr. has successfully treated

Lyme-infected pregnant women and their babies, who were born with the disease.

The implications for a fetus which contracts Lyme in utero are anatomical

defects of the heart and eye, fewer or more digits than normal, cataracts,

learning disabilities and extreme irritability "

 

Kind of says it all in my humble opinion..........

 

________________________________

From: jill1313 <jenbooks13@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 1:05:43 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Lyme Disease Transmission

I'm not sure what you mean by " a little tick would not have much to

share " . Ticks, like mosquitoes that transmit malaria, are a fine vector.

Yes, my assumption is it's blood to blood. That means a vector like a

tick which feeds for 3 days, is the best vector to transmit it. OTOH

perhaps occasionally other insects can transmit it, who knows for

sure. And certainly vertical transmission is possible from mother to

child in the womb.

Beyond that I think its all speculation and likely all false. I do not

think couples pass it to each other, nor do I think breastmilk passes

it (digestive acids would likely kill it). There is a question about

urine if it splashes in your eye could transmit it, there has been an

occasional rare anecdote to that effect.

>

> Regarding Vector Borne... does that mean only blood or fluid to fluid,

> mucous membrane born? Then, how much Bb? Seems a little tick would not

> have much to " share " so to speak...

>

> As far as oxygen killing the Bb... that would also mean dried fluids?

> (meaning blood)

>

> Sal

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't so hastily write off the survivability of the cyst mode unless you

have documented trials to proof otherwise. Its a far different microbe then its

adult parent..........

________________________________

From: jill1313 <jenbooks13@...>

Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:45:13 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Lyme Disease Transmission

Borrelia burgdorferi is micro aerophilic and dies in the oxygen

content/partial pressure of air. It cannot be aerosolized and thus

your Texas docs, whoever they are, have probably gone off the deep

end...no offense intended. Absolutely, biologically, scientifically,

this is simply not possible. It would be like defying the law of

gravity. They have no evidence of such and frankly if it were easily

transmissible and aerosolized it would spread like the seasonal flu.

That's really silly.

Again, not trying to offend you.

[Guest guest]

Please see Dr. comments, a well respected pediatrician that treats

lyme children, he has countless cases that contradicts breast feeding while

infected with lyme disease.

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From: Mimi <mimi@...>

Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:51:59 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Lyme Disease Transmission

Rich,

Firstly, let me say THANK YOU for taking the time to find and share

those links. That was really helpful and appreciated.

I want to make a point to breast feeding mothers. On one of the studies

listed, a researcher recommends that a mother temporarily stop breast

feeding when she first begins treatment for Lyme. PLEASE, PLEASE,

PLEASE, pump and dump if you decide to stop for a day or a few days. In

addition to preventing you from getting engorged, it is important that

you keep your breasts' filters in tact. Your breasts have an incredibly

effective filter that help prevent many things from entering your

child's system. When you stop breast feeding, the filter begins to

break down as your body prepares to stop lactating. Thus it is

important to pump and dump so that your filter remains intact. (It

makes you wonder if the women's filters were in tact when the

researchers found the spirochetes in the breast milk)

I hope this helps. I breast fed my child for almost two years before I

found out I had Lyme. Everyone tried to get me to stop immediately. A

lot of people (especially doctors) recommend that you stop breast

feeding immediately, even it situations where it is completely safe.

Many doctors have no idea how healthful breast milk is and how well

designed a woman's body is for breastfeeding. They often promote

formula as " just as good " . Yeah. Right.

~M