Re: Re:serotonin challenge

August 1, 2010

Thank you Heidi. I'm someone who is accustomed to getting a lot of

sunlight, actually need it to avoid depression. I might experiment with no

sunlight verses sunlight for a couple of weeks to see what makes the

difference. I know that if you are on doxy you should avoid the sun, as

well as St. 's Wort.

And thank you for your love and prayers. I return mine to you, also.

Lucy H.

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Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:09 PM

Subject: [ ] Re:serotonin challenge

There is a war about this. Some say get all the sun you can and

supplement Vit. D, and some say avoid sun and Vit. D at all costs.

There is a protocol called the Marshall Protocol that entails avoiding

Vit. D while also lots of antibiotics. I scanned the forums and did not

see that they were doing any better than those who just took lots of

antibiotics. I vote to taking Vit. D and lots of sun and that is what I

do, and I feel it helps very noticeably. So much in fact, that I feel

that if I were to get many hours of sun every day, it might be enough to

rid most of my symptoms. My whole family tests low in Vit. D which is

typical in chronic bacterial infections. I vote for the sun, after all,

it's natural and Americans were all a lot healthier when we were getting

lots of sun.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

I've been hearing that Lyme patients should stay out of direct sunlight

during the healing process. But with the necessity of sunlight for

adaquate serotonin production (at least for some of us) how do we get

by? I suppose with herbs and supplements.

.... Any suggestions?

August 3, 2010

I might have missed the progression of this conversation........When you are

talking about serotonin it is made in the gut. If you have gut absorption or

permeability issues most of the time you will suffer from low serotonin levels

and depression. This is a seperate issue than vit D. Most lymies react

negatively to sun, a because they are on antibiotics, b it sometimes creates a

herx. Vit D is a necessary support for the immune system. Again with anything

one takes it all depends on how you tolerate it. The only war out there is the

one between you and the bacteria.

Just my thoughts.

In health,

Monty

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[ ] Re:serotonin challenge

I hate to call it war, rather call it a difference of opinion as there is

research backing both 'sides'.

On the MP/marshall Protocol, one does not take 'a lot' of abx, it is actually

quite minimal amounts as olmesartan/Benicar is an ARB/angiotension receptor site

blocker - thus 'disabling' pathogens that have antiogension site receptors like

Lyme and allowing much smaller amounts of abx to be used than is normally used

orally for Chronic/Persistant Lyme. I would not be able to tolerate the amounts

of oral abx that my son has used.

I have gotten some permanent gains even tho/but I've not been an ideal patient

for various reasons NOT medically related, so I'm not the best example even.

If you read the research

http://synergyhn.com/editor-2/

http://synergyhn.com/talk/

http://synergyhn.com/lesions/

there is always another side; AND not every protocol is for every person; and

most with Lyme & Co usually need more than one route eventually. I think we all

learn that lesson over time. My doctor said I was the only one of his pts, a

very tiny group (less than 10) with different problems that did not have

sarcoidosis that reported good effects, but hey, I have! (All his sarc pts did

better).

I'm not telling anyone to do it, we all have to inform ourselves and make our

own decisions tho. For the record, before the MP I took high doses of D3. As

usual, it initially helped and then quit, just like everything else before the

MP. The only other things that have ever helped me is physiological doses of

cortisol and B12 injections.

Again we all have such ideosyncratic reactions, one just has to keep trying

imho... Ava

>

> There is a war about this. Some say get all the sun you can and

> supplement Vit. D, and some say avoid sun and Vit. D at all costs.

> There is a protocol called the Marshall Protocol that entails avoiding

> Vit. D while also lots of antibiotics. I scanned the forums and did not

> see that they were doing any better than those who just took lots of

> antibiotics. I vote to taking Vit. D and lots of sun and that is what I

> do, and I feel it helps very noticeably. So much in fact, that I feel

> that if I were to get many hours of sun every day, it might be enough to

> rid most of my symptoms. My whole family tests low in Vit. D which is

> typical in chronic bacterial infections. I vote for the sun, after all,

> it's natural and Americans were all a lot healthier when we were getting

> lots of sun.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

> I've been hearing that Lyme patients should stay out of direct sunlight

> during the healing process. But with the necessity of sunlight for

> adaquate serotonin production (at least for some of us) how do we get

> by? I suppose with herbs and supplements.

> ... Any suggestions?

>

August 4, 2010

Thank you, Monty. I was unaware of the connection between Serotonin levels,

depression, and gut permeability. I do have these issues and so I will

continue exploring the possibilities of increasing heath in this area. Do

you know of any solutions for gut health aside from pro-biotics?

Lucy

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montylife@...

Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:05 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re:serotonin challenge

I might have missed the progression of this conversation........When you are

talking about serotonin it is made in the gut. If you have gut absorption or

permeability issues most of the time you will suffer from low serotonin

levels and depression. This is a seperate issue than vit D. Most lymies

react negatively to sun, a because they are on antibiotics, b it sometimes

creates a herx. Vit D is a necessary support for the immune system. Again

with anything one takes it all depends on how you tolerate it. The only war

out there is the one between you and the bacteria.

Just my thoughts.

In health,

Monty

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

[ ] Re:serotonin challenge

I hate to call it war, rather call it a difference of opinion as there is

research backing both 'sides'.

On the MP/marshall Protocol, one does not take 'a lot' of abx, it is

actually quite minimal amounts as olmesartan/Benicar is an ARB/angiotension

receptor site blocker - thus 'disabling' pathogens that have antiogension

site receptors like Lyme and allowing much smaller amounts of abx to be used

than is normally used orally for Chronic/Persistant Lyme. I would not be

able to tolerate the amounts of oral abx that my son has used.

I have gotten some permanent gains even tho/but I've not been an ideal

patient for various reasons NOT medically related, so I'm not the best

example even.

If you read the research

http://synergyhn.com/editor-2/

http://synergyhn.com/talk/

http://synergyhn.com/lesions/

there is always another side; AND not every protocol is for every person;

and most with Lyme & Co usually need more than one route eventually. I think

we all learn that lesson over time. My doctor said I was the only one of his

pts, a very tiny group (less than 10) with different problems that did not

have sarcoidosis that reported good effects, but hey, I have! (All his sarc

pts did better).

I'm not telling anyone to do it, we all have to inform ourselves and make

our own decisions tho. For the record, before the MP I took high doses of

D3. As usual, it initially helped and then quit, just like everything else

before the MP. The only other things that have ever helped me is

physiological doses of cortisol and B12 injections.