Re: Anyone here try colloidal silver?

[Guest guest]

Hi, I just heard from someone who was bed-ridden from lyme for a whole year that

colloidal silver turned it around completely for him. I have heard of this

before, to treat infections, but hadn't thought about it for lyme. Anyone here

try it? Just wondering .. thanks!

Kate

[ ] Herbs and/or antibiotics

I disagree with the contention that long term antibiotic use destroys the

immune system. I have been treated with many antibiotics over the past

four years, both oral and IV. My immune system was in such a bad state

that without the antibiotics, I could have never managed to come back from

Lyme and the four co-infections I had.

I have had no colds and only one virus in all of this time so as long as

your doctor is supplementing your immune system with the proper

supplementation, there is a decent chance that you will eventually be

fine. I am also using Buhner's protocol along with some other herbs my

doctor uses and for me, neither is a panacea. However I have come along

way and I could have never come this far without the antibiotics.

Just another perspective.

[Guest guest]

I spoke with a woman last week who is doing very well and in remission. She used

colloidal silver and the cowden protocol, no abx. She highly recommends the

silver. I will be getting some.

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> Hi, I just heard from someone who was bed-ridden from lyme for a whole year

that colloidal silver turned it around completely for him. I have heard of this

before, to treat infections, but hadn't thought about it for lyme. Anyone here

try it? Just wondering .. thanks!

>

> Kate

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kate,

I'm just now beginning to work with an LLMD after countless years of being quite

ill.

His approach tends toward natural methods of healing, generally. At my

appointment last week he recommended that I begin using colloidal silver

......he said it couldn't hurt me.....he's had hundreds of patients use it, and

said that the worst thing that could happen is that it doesn't help. He's seen

a variety of results with it.

Mine just came in the mail today. Looking forward to hearing other people's

experiences with c.s.

Hope this helps....

peace and ease,

yarrow

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> Hi, I just heard from someone who was bed-ridden from lyme for a whole year

that colloidal silver turned it around completely for him. I have heard of this

before, to treat infections, but hadn't thought about it for lyme. Anyone here

try it? Just wondering .. thanks!

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> Kate

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> I disagree with the contention that long term antibiotic use destroys the

> immune system. I have been treated with many antibiotics over the past

> four years, both oral and IV. My immune system was in such a bad state

> that without the antibiotics, I could have never managed to come back from

> Lyme and the four co-infections I had.

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> I have had no colds and only one virus in all of this time so as long as

> your doctor is supplementing your immune system with the proper

> supplementation, there is a decent chance that you will eventually be

> fine. I am also using Buhner's protocol along with some other herbs my

> doctor uses and for me, neither is a panacea. However I have come along

> way and I could have never come this far without the antibiotics.

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> Just another perspective.

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[Guest guest]

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At my appointment last week he recommended that I begin using colloidal silver

......he said it couldn't hurt me.....he's had hundreds of patients use it, and

said that the worst thing that could happen is that it doesn't help.

I'm stunned with this answer. The medical literature is full of problems caused

by colloidal silver. Maybe most of them are the result of not following the

instructions or different formulations (if you believe the believers, there are

hundreds of different flavors of CS), but it can lead to very severe problems

like silver poisoning which is irreversable.

In my country (Netherlands) colloidal silver is used as well by some alternative

docs. But the trouble is, almost all people who claim they were cured were never

proven to have lyme in the first place. And for most of them I really doubt of

they had lyme, because their symptoms were very vague and nothing like the more

serious chronic lyme cases.

Most of these people get 'tested' here with a device called bicom, that is a bit

related to the biophoton880 and other of these devices from Germany. IMHO this

test is completely bogus, or if you want maybe similar to using a biotensor to

prove that one has Lyme.

I do believe that silver helps against bacterial infections, like in the special

socks with silver wires that prevent bad odors when you have sweaty feet. But

that is external use and not colloidal silver. For any real internal use I would

be very careful.

[Guest guest]

My LLMD practice said they would need to know if I wanted to try colloidal

silver (not under their supervision, with another practice) because of its

effects on the liver. I think while getting intensive antibiotics it may not be

recommended.

BTW my LLMD has no bias against alternative therapies, but said they need to

know which herbs & other methods I wanted to try. So far I haven't found an

naturopath to work with in my area.

Kim

[ ] Herbs and/or antibiotics

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> I disagree with the contention that long term antibiotic use destroys the

> immune system. I have been treated with many antibiotics over the past

> four years, both oral and IV. My immune system was in such a bad state

> that without the antibiotics, I could have never managed to come back from

> Lyme and the four co-infections I had.

>

> I have had no colds and only one virus in all of this time so as long as

> your doctor is supplementing your immune system with the proper

> supplementation, there is a decent chance that you will eventually be

> fine. I am also using Buhner's protocol along with some other herbs my

> doctor uses and for me, neither is a panacea. However I have come along

> way and I could have never come this far without the antibiotics.

>

> Just another perspective.

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[Guest guest]

I have been using colloidal silver for months now. You can buy this at an

exorbitantly expensive price. The dose you need is much higher than 1 t to 1 T

a day. You can buy a generator to make your own. This is what I am doing. The

generator produces " ionic " silver vs. colloidal silver (at least that's my

understanding) but has the same effect.

Making your own requires high quality distilled water. There should be nothing

in the water (tap water is out) that would cause silver salts to be formed. It

is these salts that are responsible for all the negative info about ingesting

silver and turning blue.

You can read more about colloidal silver related to Lyme on the dougplus group.

has at least one or two colloidal silver groups although they might not be

specific to Lyme treatment.

I can say that I have seen improvement in symptoms but I am also using a rife

machine, plus taking a number of nutritional supplements. I have not had luck

with the Buhner herbs so far. Everytime I start one, I get GI distress and have

to stop.

deb

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> At my appointment last week he recommended that I begin using colloidal

silver .....he said it couldn't hurt me.....he's had hundreds of patients use

it, and said that the worst thing that could happen is that it doesn't help.

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> I'm stunned with this answer. The medical literature is full of problems

caused by colloidal silver. Maybe most of them are the result of not following

the instructions or different formulations (if you believe the believers, there

are hundreds of different flavors of CS), but it can lead to very severe

problems like silver poisoning which is irreversable.

>

> In my country (Netherlands) colloidal silver is used as well by some

alternative docs. But the trouble is, almost all people who claim they were

cured were never proven to have lyme in the first place. And for most of them I

really doubt of they had lyme, because their symptoms were very vague and

nothing like the more serious chronic lyme cases.

>

> Most of these people get 'tested' here with a device called bicom, that is a

bit related to the biophoton880 and other of these devices from Germany. IMHO

this test is completely bogus, or if you want maybe similar to using a biotensor

to prove that one has Lyme.

>

> I do believe that silver helps against bacterial infections, like in the

special socks with silver wires that prevent bad odors when you have sweaty

feet. But that is external use and not colloidal silver. For any real internal

use I would be very careful.

>

[Guest guest]

My wife has gotten her Lyme into remission using CS/C and rife. She did cs/c

for about 8 months before starting the rife and felt she was at 80% +

health.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

[ ] Herbs and/or antibiotics

I disagree with the contention that long term antibiotic use destroys the

immune system. I have been treated with many antibiotics over the past

four years, both oral and IV. My immune system was in such a bad state

that without the antibiotics, I could have never managed to come back from

Lyme and the four co-infections I had.

I have had no colds and only one virus in all of this time so as long as

your doctor is supplementing your immune system with the proper

supplementation, there is a decent chance that you will eventually be

fine. I am also using Buhner's protocol along with some other herbs my

doctor uses and for me, neither is a panacea. However I have come along

way and I could have never come this far without the antibiotics.

Just another perspective.

[Guest guest]

What is CS/C ?  CS= colloidal silver, but what's the C?

Thanks, ---purpleffoxglove

From: <msadams@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Anyone here try colloidal silver?

Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:13 PM

 

My wife has gotten her Lyme into remission using CS/C and rife. She did

cs/c

for about 8 months before starting the rife and felt she was at 80% +

health.

www.lyme-resource. com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

[Guest guest]

I beg to differ. My wife has been using homemade CS since last April. It has

helped put her lyme into remission. She tested positive btw on the IDSA

guidelines via her Western Blot. It's a confirmed case.

For us (and our family and friends) CS has been a tremendous weapon in our

war against pathogens.

A great FAQ to read about CS is at http://www.silver-colloids.com/

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

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> At my appointment last week he recommended that I begin using

> colloidal silver .....he said it couldn't hurt me.....he's

> had hundreds of patients use it, and said that the worst

> thing that could happen is that it doesn't help.

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> I'm stunned with this answer. The medical literature is full

> of problems caused by colloidal silver. Maybe most of them

> are the result of not following the instructions or different

> formulations (if you believe the believers, there are

> hundreds of different flavors of CS), but it can lead to very

> severe problems like silver poisoning which is irreversable.

>

> In my country (Netherlands) colloidal silver is used as well

> by some alternative docs. But the trouble is, almost all

> people who claim they were cured were never proven to have

> lyme in the first place. And for most of them I really doubt

> of they had lyme, because their symptoms were very vague and

> nothing like the more serious chronic lyme cases.

>

> Most of these people get 'tested' here with a device called

> bicom, that is a bit related to the biophoton880 and other of

> these devices from Germany. IMHO this test is completely

> bogus, or if you want maybe similar to using a biotensor to

> prove that one has Lyme.

>

> I do believe that silver helps against bacterial infections,

> like in the special socks with silver wires that prevent bad

> odors when you have sweaty feet. But that is external use and

> not colloidal silver. For any real internal use I would be

> very careful.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sorry I didn't explain it. It stands for Vitamin C.

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[Guest guest]

I wish there was a physician out there who could prescribe/administer/monitor

colloidal silver in a patient.

RE: [ ] Re: Anyone here try colloidal silver?

I beg to differ. My wife has been using homemade CS since last April. It has

helped put her lyme into remission. She tested positive btw on the IDSA

guidelines via her Western Blot. It's a confirmed case.

For us (and our family and friends) CS has been a tremendous weapon in our

war against pathogens.

A great FAQ to read about CS is at http://www.silver-colloids.com/

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

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> At my appointment last week he recommended that I begin using

> colloidal silver .....he said it couldn't hurt me.....he's

> had hundreds of patients use it, and said that the worst

> thing that could happen is that it doesn't help.

>

>

> I'm stunned with this answer. The medical literature is full

> of problems caused by colloidal silver. Maybe most of them

> are the result of not following the instructions or different

> formulations (if you believe the believers, there are

> hundreds of different flavors of CS), but it can lead to very

> severe problems like silver poisoning which is irreversable.

>

> In my country (Netherlands) colloidal silver is used as well

> by some alternative docs. But the trouble is, almost all

> people who claim they were cured were never proven to have

> lyme in the first place. And for most of them I really doubt

> of they had lyme, because their symptoms were very vague and

> nothing like the more serious chronic lyme cases.

>

> Most of these people get 'tested' here with a device called

> bicom, that is a bit related to the biophoton880 and other of

> these devices from Germany. IMHO this test is completely

> bogus, or if you want maybe similar to using a biotensor to

> prove that one has Lyme.

>

> I do believe that silver helps against bacterial infections,

> like in the special socks with silver wires that prevent bad

> odors when you have sweaty feet. But that is external use and

> not colloidal silver. For any real internal use I would be

> very careful.

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> I beg to differ. My wife has been using homemade CS since last April. It has

> helped put her lyme into remission. She tested positive btw on the IDSA

> guidelines via her Western Blot. It's a confirmed case.

I don't doubt that, but I don't think proves anything regarding effectiveness or

safety of CS.

People recover from Lyme (sometimes ...) on the most crazy therapies. They might

as well have recovered on an extra glass of water daily, or no treatment at all

- no way to know. I know a few people who recovered from confirmed LD, with mild

symptoms btw, without any treatment (one of them even two times, he gets bitten

often).

My impression is that, for LD cases with similar severity, the success of ABX or

Buhner is not that different - maybe 1/4 had great improvement, 1/2 had some

improvement (maybe only as long as they were on the protocol) and 1/2 had no

improvement at all or things got even worse. ILADs docs or even Buhner himself

will sometimes claim over 90% cure rate, but I don't think that reflects

reality.

ABX usually shows somewhat better results than herbs, but I think that is mostly

because it is the first (easy) choice. So most of the mild cases (or those who

don't have Lyme at all but think they have it) start out with ABX and consider

this their 'cure' if the symptoms disappear.

Such results do not prove at all that these two protocols work, only that

neither of them is clearly more effective than the other (but we know that one

of them is less risky ...). If you add the - very limited and biased - data from

the few doubleblind longterm ABX tests, the impression is that all these

protocols have, on average, a limited impact on the disease. Proving that

longterm ABX works for LD is very difficult.

My gut feeling is that the therapy that is used is NOT the major factor in

recovery. Probably there are far more important factors, like the Bb strain that

the patient has (there are hundreds, with huge differences between them),

coinfections, genetic factors in the patient (like certain HLA antigenes that

help Bb with immune evasion or increase risk of cross reactions), other factors

affecting the immune system etc.

Maybe for some, a certain therapy will work wonders while it will not do

anything for someone else. If one truly believes in a therapy, it will probably

help no matter how crazy the 'science' behind it. The power of suggestion

(placebo) cannot be denied.

[Guest guest]

I think you might want to spend some time on the CS list and the Salt/C

list. I suspect you will be very very surprised at what you will hear there.

Or you can look on my free lyme resource cd and see a sample of what people

are doing and what they are reporting.

I have yet to see any reports of problems with CS with anyone. I do read

many many reports of healing and relief. Check it out for yourself. I know I

was extremely skeptical when I first heard of it and it took me years to

even want to investigate it further.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Re: Anyone here try colloidal silver?

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> > I beg to differ. My wife has been using homemade CS since

> last April. It has

> > helped put her lyme into remission. She tested positive btw

> on the IDSA

> > guidelines via her Western Blot. It's a confirmed case.

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> I don't doubt that, but I don't think proves anything

> regarding effectiveness or safety of CS.

>

> People recover from Lyme (sometimes ...) on the most crazy

> therapies. They might as well have recovered on an extra

> glass of water daily, or no treatment at all - no way to

> know. I know a few people who recovered from confirmed LD,

> with mild symptoms btw, without any treatment (one of them

> even two times, he gets bitten often).

>

> My impression is that, for LD cases with similar severity,

> the success of ABX or Buhner is not that different - maybe

> 1/4 had great improvement, 1/2 had some improvement (maybe

> only as long as they were on the protocol) and 1/2 had no

> improvement at all or things got even worse. ILADs docs or

> even Buhner himself will sometimes claim over 90% cure rate,

> but I don't think that reflects reality.

>

> ABX usually shows somewhat better results than herbs, but I

> think that is mostly because it is the first (easy) choice.

> So most of the mild cases (or those who don't have Lyme at

> all but think they have it) start out with ABX and consider

> this their 'cure' if the symptoms disappear.

>

> Such results do not prove at all that these two protocols

> work, only that neither of them is clearly more effective

> than the other (but we know that one of them is less risky

> ...). If you add the - very limited and biased - data from

> the few doubleblind longterm ABX tests, the impression is

> that all these protocols have, on average, a limited impact

> on the disease. Proving that longterm ABX works for LD is

> very difficult.

>

> My gut feeling is that the therapy that is used is NOT the

> major factor in recovery. Probably there are far more

> important factors, like the Bb strain that the patient has

> (there are hundreds, with huge differences between them),

> coinfections, genetic factors in the patient (like certain

> HLA antigenes that help Bb with immune evasion or increase

> risk of cross reactions), other factors affecting the immune

> system etc.

>

> Maybe for some, a certain therapy will work wonders while it

> will not do anything for someone else. If one truly believes

> in a therapy, it will probably help no matter how crazy the

> 'science' behind it. The power of suggestion (placebo) cannot

> be denied.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

>

[Guest guest]

vitamin C

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> Subject: RE: [ ] Anyone here try colloidal silver?

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[Guest guest]

Has anyone done CS and Salt/C and ABX's all together?

How do you know how much CS to do?

From:

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Date:

02/01/2010 03:41 AM

Subject:

RE: [ ] Anyone here try colloidal silver?

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My wife has gotten her Lyme into remission using CS/C and rife. She did

cs/c

for about 8 months before starting the rife and felt she was at 80% +

health.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

[ ] Herbs and/or antibiotics

I disagree with the contention that long term antibiotic use destroys the

immune system. I have been treated with many antibiotics over the past

four years, both oral and IV. My immune system was in such a bad state

that without the antibiotics, I could have never managed to come back from

Lyme and the four co-infections I had.

I have had no colds and only one virus in all of this time so as long as

your doctor is supplementing your immune system with the proper

supplementation, there is a decent chance that you will eventually be

fine. I am also using Buhner's protocol along with some other herbs my

doctor uses and for me, neither is a panacea. However I have come along

way and I could have never come this far without the antibiotics.

Just another perspective.

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know if colloidal silver can penetrate the cells and tissues and

kill the bugs inside them? or just clear what is in the blood?

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> My wife has gotten her Lyme into remission using CS/C and rife. She did

> cs/c

> for about 8 months before starting the rife and felt she was at 80% +

> health.

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> www.lyme-resource.com

> You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

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> [ ] Herbs and/or antibiotics

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> I disagree with the contention that long term antibiotic use destroys the

> immune system. I have been treated with many antibiotics over the past

> four years, both oral and IV. My immune system was in such a bad state

> that without the antibiotics, I could have never managed to come back from

>

> Lyme and the four co-infections I had.

>

> I have had no colds and only one virus in all of this time so as long as

> your doctor is supplementing your immune system with the proper

> supplementation, there is a decent chance that you will eventually be

> fine. I am also using Buhner's protocol along with some other herbs my

> doctor uses and for me, neither is a panacea. However I have come along

> way and I could have never come this far without the antibiotics.

>

> Just another perspective.

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