Re: Question about swedish massage

[Guest guest]

>

Glad to hear you've been feeling better, Meg and have started to pick

up your life.

I can't believe that the Swedish massage could be harmful in any way

for you: it really must be that it unblocked some lymph 'bottleneck',

which should take you one or two days to clear, taking things gently,

drinking lots of water---you know the score.

B. actually recommends this form of massage for chronic

fatigue, so don't worry,

Carolyn

> I haven't had much time for the list lately partially because I've

> been doing really well and have been able to get back to a lot of

> " normal " activites, but I had a question that I thought some of you

> might be able to help me out with.

>

> I was given a gift certificate for a swedish massage a while back and

> just had it done today; shortly after the massage I began to feel

> extremely fatigued and kind of weak (the way I did when I was much

> sicker!). More than I have in quite a while. I'm sure it could be a

> coincidence, but I was just wondering if any of you who have tried

> swedish massage had a similar experience? I was thinking that maybe it

> was because of the lymph detoxing perhaps? I guess I could just wait

> and see if I feel better tomorrow, but since I haven't been feeling

> well for *that* long yet, I tend to get concerned as soon as anything

> feels slightly off!

>

> Thanks!

>

> -Meg

>

[Guest guest]

Meg,

I know that Dr. Klinghardt highly recommends the use of massage for lyme

patients, so it must affect your lymph system and the toxins.

-- [ ] Question about swedish massage

I haven't had much time for the list lately partially because I've

been doing really well and have been able to get back to a lot of

" normal " activites, but I had a question that I thought some of you

might be able to help me out with.

I was given a gift certificate for a swedish massage a while back and

just had it done today; shortly after the massage I began to feel

extremely fatigued and kind of weak (the way I did when I was much

sicker!). More than I have in quite a while. I'm sure it could be a

coincidence, but I was just wondering if any of you who have tried

swedish massage had a similar experience? I was thinking that maybe it

was because of the lymph detoxing perhaps? I guess I could just wait

and see if I feel better tomorrow, but since I haven't been feeling

well for *that* long yet, I tend to get concerned as soon as anything

feels slightly off!

Thanks!

-Meg

Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its

Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations:

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[Guest guest]

Good you're feeling better!

And I am the same way, if I have an off day, I fear the whole thing is

coming back.

I just want to reiterate what others have said - drink a lot of water.

Also if you get another massage, drink a lot of water immediately

after, and perhaps your reaction will be less.

In any event, massages are good.

ellen

[Guest guest]

If you are taking your Red Root tincture and Milk Thistle and Sarsaparilla

faithfully, you shouldn't be having this problem.

Jim.

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rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote:

Good you're feeling better!

And I am the same way, if I have an off day, I fear the whole thing is

coming back.

I just want to reiterate what others have said - drink a lot of water.

Also if you get another massage, drink a lot of water immediately

after, and perhaps your reaction will be less.

In any event, massages are good.

ellen

[Guest guest]

Hi Meg-

I'm relatively new to this board. I get massage on a regular basis.

when i first started getting it , I would feel drained the next day.

Or if i go awhile w/o a massage the same thing will happen. I agree

with the other posts.. drink a lot of water! I need all the

inspiration I can get. 's notes are encouraging. What was your

history/story/how you got better? Is it posted somewhere?

>

> I haven't had much time for the list lately partially because I've

> been doing really well and have been able to get back to a lot of

> " normal " activites, but I had a question that I thought some of you

> might be able to help me out with.

>

> I was given a gift certificate for a swedish massage a while back and

> just had it done today; shortly after the massage I began to feel

> extremely fatigued and kind of weak (the way I did when I was much

> sicker!). More than I have in quite a while. I'm sure it could be a

> coincidence, but I was just wondering if any of you who have tried

> swedish massage had a similar experience? I was thinking that maybe it

> was because of the lymph detoxing perhaps? I guess I could just wait

> and see if I feel better tomorrow, but since I haven't been feeling

> well for *that* long yet, I tend to get concerned as soon as anything

> feels slightly off!

>

> Thanks!

>

> -Meg

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Everyone,

When a body is dealing with chronic illness, it is under stress.

Often a great deal of stress. Any stimulus, even a gentle touch,

meant to be comforting and nurturing, can add to the stress, and can

overwhelm the precarious balance that the body has achieved.

Swedish massage can take many forms. Some Swedish massages are fairly

rough - meant to be stimulating to the muscles and nervous system.

Some are very relaxing, allowing you to enter a tasmic state in which

your autonomic nervous system prevails, and a great deal of healing

can take place.

Swedish can also be stimulating to the immune system, which sounds

good, but which can, in fact, make you feel quite ill. When you are

sick, many of the symptoms you experience are due to your own immune

response, and you really don't want it heightened.

The best approach when suffering from a chronic illness, is to start

slowly. If you go back to the same therapist, tell her how you felt

following the previous session. Ask her to work even more gently, or

to do 30 minutes instead of an hour. A good therapist can tailor the

session to the client's needs. But it can take a couple sessions for

both of you to figure out what those needs are.

DeMarco

Mason, NH

[Guest guest]

" R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

>

> If you are taking your Red Root tincture and Milk Thistle and

> Sarsaparilla faithfully, you shouldn't be having this problem.

I'd have to disagree.

From an article by Grant in " Massage Today "

" Cytokines are potent mediators of immune activity. These chemicals

carry messages from one cell group to another and invoke the most

powerful of whole-body defense responses. The cytokines include the

interferons and interleukins, which cause many of the symptoms of

bacterial and viral infections - fever, headache, generalized aching,

fatigue, weakness, and clouded consciousness.3 Injection of

proinflammatory cytokines has reproduced many of these acute phase

symptoms.

..... " The post-massage production of proinflammatory cytokines would be a

possible mechanism leading to this result. "

Current thought is that this is an immune response, rather than a

lymphatic or detox failure.

D.

[Guest guest]

:

Current thought by " WHOM " ?

Buhner?

If you are taking your Red Root tincture, Milk THistle AND Sarsaparilla

everyday, faithfully, and you still are having the problems, then I would tend

to agree. Otherwise I would not!

Jim

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DeMarco <@...> wrote:

" R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

>

> If you are taking your Red Root tincture and Milk Thistle and

> Sarsaparilla faithfully, you shouldn't be having this problem.

I'd have to disagree.

From an article by Grant in " Massage Today "

" Cytokines are potent mediators of immune activity. These chemicals

carry messages from one cell group to another and invoke the most

powerful of whole-body defense responses. The cytokines include the

interferons and interleukins, which cause many of the symptoms of

bacterial and viral infections - fever, headache, generalized aching,

fatigue, weakness, and clouded consciousness.3 Injection of

proinflammatory cytokines has reproduced many of these acute phase

symptoms.

..... " The post-massage production of proinflammatory cytokines would be a

possible mechanism leading to this result. "

Current thought is that this is an immune response, rather than a

lymphatic or detox failure.

D.

[Guest guest]

,

There are many old myths about massage causing feelings of illness by

releasing toxins and moving lymph. If theses were not myths, then I

would agree with you.

But the current science-based belief is that these symptoms are

produced by the release of cytokines, which can initiate an immune

response, which makes you feel sick. I do not believe that red root,

sarsaparilla and milk thistle will help with this.

If you believe otherwise, please explain. I'm always happy to learn

more.

D.

" R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

>

> :

> Current thought by " WHOM " ?

>

> Buhner?

>

> If you are taking your Red Root tincture, Milk THistle AND

Sarsaparilla everyday, faithfully, and you still are having the

problems, then I would tend to agree. Otherwise I would not!

>

> Jim

> ###

>

>

> DeMarco <@...> wrote:

> " R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@> wrote:

> >

> > If you are taking your Red Root tincture and Milk Thistle and

> > Sarsaparilla faithfully, you shouldn't be having this problem.

>

> I'd have to disagree.

>

> From an article by Grant in " Massage Today "

>

> " Cytokines are potent mediators of immune activity. These chemicals

> carry messages from one cell group to another and invoke the most

> powerful of whole-body defense responses. The cytokines include the

> interferons and interleukins, which cause many of the symptoms of

> bacterial and viral infections - fever, headache, generalized aching,

> fatigue, weakness, and clouded consciousness.3 Injection of

> proinflammatory cytokines has reproduced many of these acute phase

> symptoms.

>

> .... " The post-massage production of proinflammatory cytokines would be a

> possible mechanism leading to this result. "

>

> Current thought is that this is an immune response, rather than a

> lymphatic or detox failure.

>

> D.

>

[Guest guest]

:

The problem I have with " current " science beliefs, is that THEY keep

changing. So much is based on theory rather than actual facts.

I tend to stay with what Buhner teaches for the most part.

Jim.

###

DeMarco <@...> wrote:

,

There are many old myths about massage causing feelings of illness by

releasing toxins and moving lymph. If theses were not myths, then I

would agree with you.

But the current science-based belief is that these symptoms are

produced by the release of cytokines, which can initiate an immune

response, which makes you feel sick. I do not believe that red root,

sarsaparilla and milk thistle will help with this.

If you believe otherwise, please explain. I'm always happy to learn

more.

D.

[Guest guest]

In the words of NIKE. JUST DO IT!

>

> Hi, Everyone,

>

> When a body is dealing with chronic illness, it is under stress.

> Often a great deal of stress. Any stimulus, even a gentle touch,

> meant to be comforting and nurturing, can add to the stress, and can

> overwhelm the precarious balance that the body has achieved.

>

> Swedish massage can take many forms. Some Swedish massages are fairly

> rough - meant to be stimulating to the muscles and nervous system.

> Some are very relaxing, allowing you to enter a tasmic state in which

> your autonomic nervous system prevails, and a great deal of healing

> can take place.

>

> Swedish can also be stimulating to the immune system, which sounds

> good, but which can, in fact, make you feel quite ill. When you are

> sick, many of the symptoms you experience are due to your own immune

> response, and you really don't want it heightened.

>

> The best approach when suffering from a chronic illness, is to start

> slowly. If you go back to the same therapist, tell her how you felt

> following the previous session. Ask her to work even more gently, or

> to do 30 minutes instead of an hour. A good therapist can tailor the

> session to the client's needs. But it can take a couple sessions for

> both of you to figure out what those needs are.

>

> DeMarco

> Mason, NH

>