Re: atrophy of the fingertips

[Guest guest]

my naturopath told me to drink fresh ginger teat to improve my circulation.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:02 AM, knot_weed <tek0nik@...> wrote:

>

>

> I have a new problem, the touch sensation in my fingertips is starting to

> disappear.

>

> Over the last years I have had problems related to skin and connective

> tissue, where the skin (or actually the tissue below it) is very vulnerable

> to light pressure. e.g. my feet deform and become painful when standing on a

> hard floor, and I have to be very careful when handling tools or even a pen

> as they leave deep cuts in my hands (not in the skin). Normal clothing

> leaves stretch marks everywhere that remain visible for hours. Lightly

> bumping against something will produce big scars that remain visible for

> weeks or months, the healing seems very very slow if at all.

>

> Over the last months my fingertips started to 'wrinkle' on the inside and

> now the sense of touch (not sure about the english word for it ...) is

> gradually disappearing. My MD says this is neuropathy, and it seems similar

> to problems described by diabetics or some people with lupus, scleroderma

> and other 'auto-immune' diseases. Both the wrinkling and the loss of sense

> seems related to problems with the autonomic nervous system.

>

> I don't have the 'tingling' sensations or shooting pains that are common in

> earlier lyme stages. It's more like the fingertips are dead which is scary,

> and a problem for my daily activities like handling small technical gadgets

> or playing the piano. The sense of touch is not completely gone, but is

> progressing very quickly in the wrong direction.

>

> My MD has recommended that I consult a neurologist, however the

> neurologists in my country are allergic to the word 'lyme' and I will have a

> hard time getting an appointment because of my lyme history. And I doubt

> there is a good treatment for this, I haven't come across it when searching.

>

> Does anyone else have experience with this issue? Any treatment that you

> can recommend, especially something alternative like herbs? I'm guessing

> that maybe it is related to bad circulation, and some herbs like eleuthero

> should be able to improve that.

>

> I haven't used Buhner herbs over the last months as my condition is

> relatively stable, except for the skin/connective tissue problems.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have similar issues - diagnosed MS.

My Neurologist recommended Samento and it seems to control this for me -

15 drops twice a day.

I also take the other core Buhner at a sort of maintenance level 3

pills, 3x day level plus Siberian Eleuthero and Devil's Claw.

McKeen

Software Developer

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Phone: 978-223-1616 email: ena1@...

On 7/29/2010 12:02 PM, knot_weed wrote:

>

> I have a new problem, the touch sensation in my fingertips is starting

> to disappear.

>

> Over the last years I have had problems related to skin and connective

> tissue, where the skin (or actually the tissue below it) is very

> vulnerable to light pressure. e.g. my feet deform and become painful

> when standing on a hard floor, and I have to be very careful when

> handling tools or even a pen as they leave deep cuts in my hands (not

> in the skin). Normal clothing leaves stretch marks everywhere that

> remain visible for hours. Lightly bumping against something will

> produce big scars that remain visible for weeks or months, the healing

> seems very very slow if at all.

>

> Over the last months my fingertips started to 'wrinkle' on the inside

> and now the sense of touch (not sure about the english word for it

> ...) is gradually disappearing. My MD says this is neuropathy, and it

> seems similar to problems described by diabetics or some people with

> lupus, scleroderma and other 'auto-immune' diseases. Both the

> wrinkling and the loss of sense seems related to problems with the

> autonomic nervous system.

>

> I don't have the 'tingling' sensations or shooting pains that are

> common in earlier lyme stages. It's more like the fingertips are dead

> which is scary, and a problem for my daily activities like handling

> small technical gadgets or playing the piano. The sense of touch is

> not completely gone, but is progressing very quickly in the wrong

> direction.

>

> My MD has recommended that I consult a neurologist, however the

> neurologists in my country are allergic to the word 'lyme' and I will

> have a hard time getting an appointment because of my lyme history.

> And I doubt there is a good treatment for this, I haven't come across

> it when searching.

>

> Does anyone else have experience with this issue? Any treatment that

> you can recommend, especially something alternative like herbs? I'm

> guessing that maybe it is related to bad circulation, and some herbs

> like eleuthero should be able to improve that.

>

> I haven't used Buhner herbs over the last months as my condition is

> relatively stable, except for the skin/connective tissue problems.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My wrinkly fingertips were one of the main physical indictors that a doctor used

to diagnose Lyme. I have prune fingers (like I took a long hot shower) all the

time. I do not have numbness, but I do note that my fingernails and toenails

turn blue frequently, signaling poor circulation. As I am new to the protocol

(and really on a very low dose of herbs), I have not found anything to heal this

issue, but you are not alone in this symptom. Have you tried submitting a

question to Buhner on Planetthrive? He's been very generous in

answering one of my questions relating to auto-immune issues in connection with

the protocol.

Best,

Robyn

>

> I have a new problem, the touch sensation in my fingertips is starting to

disappear.

>

> Over the last years I have had problems related to skin and connective tissue,

where the skin (or actually the tissue below it) is very vulnerable to light

pressure. e.g. my feet deform and become painful when standing on a hard floor,

and I have to be very careful when handling tools or even a pen as they leave

deep cuts in my hands (not in the skin). Normal clothing leaves stretch marks

everywhere that remain visible for hours. Lightly bumping against something will

produce big scars that remain visible for weeks or months, the healing seems

very very slow if at all.

>

> Over the last months my fingertips started to 'wrinkle' on the inside and now

the sense of touch (not sure about the english word for it ...) is gradually

disappearing. My MD says this is neuropathy, and it seems similar to problems

described by diabetics or some people with lupus, scleroderma and other

'auto-immune' diseases. Both the wrinkling and the loss of sense seems related

to problems with the autonomic nervous system.

>

> I don't have the 'tingling' sensations or shooting pains that are common in

earlier lyme stages. It's more like the fingertips are dead which is scary, and

a problem for my daily activities like handling small technical gadgets or

playing the piano. The sense of touch is not completely gone, but is progressing

very quickly in the wrong direction.

>

> My MD has recommended that I consult a neurologist, however the neurologists

in my country are allergic to the word 'lyme' and I will have a hard time

getting an appointment because of my lyme history. And I doubt there is a good

treatment for this, I haven't come across it when searching.

>

> Does anyone else have experience with this issue? Any treatment that you can

recommend, especially something alternative like herbs? I'm guessing that maybe

it is related to bad circulation, and some herbs like eleuthero should be able

to improve that.

>

> I haven't used Buhner herbs over the last months as my condition is relatively

stable, except for the skin/connective tissue problems.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Knotweed,

I know this is not a cure nor a complete response, but my very first sense in

reading your post is to suggest some yarrow. I've found some alcohol-free

yarrow tinture through iherb.

Yarrow can help with micro-circulation........here is a web page that describes

this a bit more in detail:

http://www.rainbowconnection.net/text/herbmoment.html

Another idea that comes to mind is rosemary oil.....used topically on the hands

or places that need more circulation and flow. Not the essential oil directly

on your skin, but either an infused oil or a couple of drops of the essential

oil in a carrier oil. Safflower oil could be a good carrier in this case, as it

is also good for increasing circulation. Olive oil would be fine as a carrier

oil as well.

I take a few drops of the alcohol-free yarrow tincture internally and externally

use an oil i made from yarrow and rosemary on my hands and forearms when they

feel numb.

These are just some ideas that come to me, and surely there are other remedies

that may work as well for you.

Perhaps you could get a telephone consultation with a really good

herbalist....I'm thinking of Wood who is incredibly intuitive (i know

him only through his books.)

Also, have you read Wolf Storl's new book, " Healing Lyme Disease Naturally " ? He

is in Germany I believe.

Ease and peace,

yarrow

>

> I have a new problem, the touch sensation in my fingertips is starting to

disappear.

>

> Over the last years I have had problems related to skin and connective tissue,

where the skin (or actually the tissue below it) is very vulnerable to light

pressure. e.g. my feet deform and become painful when standing on a hard floor,

and I have to be very careful when handling tools or even a pen as they leave

deep cuts in my hands (not in the skin). Normal clothing leaves stretch marks

everywhere that remain visible for hours. Lightly bumping against something will

produce big scars that remain visible for weeks or months, the healing seems

very very slow if at all.

>

> Over the last months my fingertips started to 'wrinkle' on the inside and now

the sense of touch (not sure about the english word for it ...) is gradually

disappearing. My MD says this is neuropathy, and it seems similar to problems

described by diabetics or some people with lupus, scleroderma and other

'auto-immune' diseases. Both the wrinkling and the loss of sense seems related

to problems with the autonomic nervous system.

>

> I don't have the 'tingling' sensations or shooting pains that are common in

earlier lyme stages. It's more like the fingertips are dead which is scary, and

a problem for my daily activities like handling small technical gadgets or

playing the piano. The sense of touch is not completely gone, but is progressing

very quickly in the wrong direction.

>

> My MD has recommended that I consult a neurologist, however the neurologists

in my country are allergic to the word 'lyme' and I will have a hard time

getting an appointment because of my lyme history. And I doubt there is a good

treatment for this, I haven't come across it when searching.

>

> Does anyone else have experience with this issue? Any treatment that you can

recommend, especially something alternative like herbs? I'm guessing that maybe

it is related to bad circulation, and some herbs like eleuthero should be able

to improve that.

>

> I haven't used Buhner herbs over the last months as my condition is relatively

stable, except for the skin/connective tissue problems.

>

[Guest guest]

Ginger is great for people who are cold......Some of us have a lot of heat in

the core/torso area, and ginger can be way too hot.

The only way to know is to find out.

Thank you.....

>

> >

> >

> > I have a new problem, the touch sensation in my fingertips is starting to

> > disappear.

> >

> > Over the last years I have had problems related to skin and connective

> > tissue, where the skin (or actually the tissue below it) is very vulnerable

> > to light pressure. e.g. my feet deform and become painful when standing on a

> > hard floor, and I have to be very careful when handling tools or even a pen

> > as they leave deep cuts in my hands (not in the skin). Normal clothing

> > leaves stretch marks everywhere that remain visible for hours. Lightly

> > bumping against something will produce big scars that remain visible for

> > weeks or months, the healing seems very very slow if at all.

> >

> > Over the last months my fingertips started to 'wrinkle' on the inside and

> > now the sense of touch (not sure about the english word for it ...) is

> > gradually disappearing. My MD says this is neuropathy, and it seems similar

> > to problems described by diabetics or some people with lupus, scleroderma

> > and other 'auto-immune' diseases. Both the wrinkling and the loss of sense

> > seems related to problems with the autonomic nervous system.

> >

> > I don't have the 'tingling' sensations or shooting pains that are common in

> > earlier lyme stages. It's more like the fingertips are dead which is scary,

> > and a problem for my daily activities like handling small technical gadgets

> > or playing the piano. The sense of touch is not completely gone, but is

> > progressing very quickly in the wrong direction.

> >

> > My MD has recommended that I consult a neurologist, however the

> > neurologists in my country are allergic to the word 'lyme' and I will have a

> > hard time getting an appointment because of my lyme history. And I doubt

> > there is a good treatment for this, I haven't come across it when searching.

> >

> > Does anyone else have experience with this issue? Any treatment that you

> > can recommend, especially something alternative like herbs? I'm guessing

> > that maybe it is related to bad circulation, and some herbs like eleuthero

> > should be able to improve that.

> >

> > I haven't used Buhner herbs over the last months as my condition is

> > relatively stable, except for the skin/connective tissue problems.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was sure I wrote back on this last night, but must have been user error, as I

don't see my post!

I have a similar symptom -- prune fingers that always look like I just had a

long hot shower. I have not experienced the numbness, but my fingernails and

toenails are frequently blue, also suggesting connective tissue and circulation

issues. I'm pretty new to the protocol (and frankly, have not been able to get

on very much of it), but I did reach out to Buhner on planetthrive.com

with a question and he was generous enough to respond. Perhaps you might want

to submit the question there. I went through all the questions last night, and

did not see any mention of this particular issue.

Best,

Robyn

>

> I have a new problem, the touch sensation in my fingertips is starting to

disappear.

>

> Over the last years I have had problems related to skin and connective tissue,

where the skin (or actually the tissue below it) is very vulnerable to light

pressure. e.g. my feet deform and become painful when standing on a hard floor,

and I have to be very careful when handling tools or even a pen as they leave

deep cuts in my hands (not in the skin). Normal clothing leaves stretch marks

everywhere that remain visible for hours. Lightly bumping against something will

produce big scars that remain visible for weeks or months, the healing seems

very very slow if at all.

>

> Over the last months my fingertips started to 'wrinkle' on the inside and now

the sense of touch (not sure about the english word for it ...) is gradually

disappearing. My MD says this is neuropathy, and it seems similar to problems

described by diabetics or some people with lupus, scleroderma and other

'auto-immune' diseases. Both the wrinkling and the loss of sense seems related

to problems with the autonomic nervous system.

>

> I don't have the 'tingling' sensations or shooting pains that are common in

earlier lyme stages. It's more like the fingertips are dead which is scary, and

a problem for my daily activities like handling small technical gadgets or

playing the piano. The sense of touch is not completely gone, but is progressing

very quickly in the wrong direction.

>

> My MD has recommended that I consult a neurologist, however the neurologists

in my country are allergic to the word 'lyme' and I will have a hard time

getting an appointment because of my lyme history. And I doubt there is a good

treatment for this, I haven't come across it when searching.

>

> Does anyone else have experience with this issue? Any treatment that you can

recommend, especially something alternative like herbs? I'm guessing that maybe

it is related to bad circulation, and some herbs like eleuthero should be able

to improve that.

>

> I haven't used Buhner herbs over the last months as my condition is relatively

stable, except for the skin/connective tissue problems.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have similar issues - diagnosed MS.

>

> My Neurologist recommended Samento and it seems to control this for me -

thanks for the info, I have gone back on knotweed and eleuthero maintenance

level, but can add catsclaw and see if it helps.

I have confirmed Lyme, but initially had an MS-like presentation, including

MS-like spots in the brain. Without the Western Blot result, my diagnosis would

probably have been MS.

I was software and hardware developer in a former life

[Guest guest]

>

> These are just some ideas that come to me, and surely there are other remedies

that may work as well for you.

thanks for the suggestions, I will read up on these in the next days. I

sometimes order from iHerb, so could add the yarrow with my next order.

> Perhaps you could get a telephone consultation with a really good

herbalist....I'm thinking of Wood who is incredibly intuitive (i know

him only through his books.)

I'm from Netherlands, so I don't think this is a practical idea (apart from

language problems, always a bit risky with medical consulting). I know

Wood is a great herbalist, I'm probably going to order one of this books soon.

> Also, have you read Wolf Storl's new book, " Healing Lyme Disease Naturally " ?

He is in Germany I believe.

did not hear about it yet, but I will check it out. In my country herbalism is

almost non-existent, but I guess there is more tradition in Germany, with its

heritage of homeopathic / anthroposophic medicine.

[Guest guest]

>

> My wrinkly fingertips were one of the main physical indictors that a doctor

used to diagnose Lyme. I have prune fingers (like I took a long hot shower) all

the time.

in my case it looks a bit different than what I previously had after a long

shower; the wrinkles I get now are very irregular, they run in all directions.

And my fingertips no longer react to water immersion, which probably confirms

that the nerve endings are not working anymore.

I also noticed that I now have vertical ridges in almost all fingernails

(previously had those in one of my fingers). I think alternative docs often see

that as an indicator of chronic disease and/or circulation problems in the

fingers.

> I do not have numbness, but I do note that my fingernails and toenails turn

blue frequently, signaling poor circulation.

that sound more like Raynaud. I did have a very cold right hand a few months

ago, but not anymore. With Raynaud there often are temperature differences on

the hands/fingers, and obvious differences in colour (red/blue). Probably

another of the many auto-immune variations that you can get from lyme ...

> Have you tried submitting a question to Buhner on Planetthrive? He's

been very generous in answering one of my questions relating to auto-immune

issues in connection with the protocol.

good suggestion. I will try if I can describe it well enough in english, some of

the details are difficult to express for me.

[Guest guest]

Look into low zinc and fingernail ridges. Some docs say that those with

Lyme usually have very low levels of zinc and that blood testing for it,

is not accurate. They say you have to do urine tests to detect zinc

levels. I just supplement since I have been sick for a long time.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

I also noticed that I now have vertical ridges in almost all fingernails

(previously had those in one of my fingers). I think alternative docs

often see that as an indicator of chronic disease and/or circulation

problems in the fingers.