Re: Fwd: GSE/Biotin and OCD

[Guest guest]

Quite often when I try something, my throat closes. It happened when I tried

the grapefruit seed extract. Does anyone know whether this reaction is a

herx or an allergic reaction? Thx - Robin

In a message dated 9/1/2008 6:45:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

mollyg@... writes:

Looks like this group of moms at Borrelia Multiple Infections and

Autism are having remarkable results with GSE, grapefruit seed

extract, and biotin, which together seem to break up the biofilms that

seem to cause the OCD, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, in their

autistic children who have tested positive or show symptoms of

borrelia in their systems. Quite amazing...

Go to their group and do a search on " biotin " or " GSE " and read other

postings.

With blessings,

Molly

p.s. This message was posted as " GES/Biotin and OCD " , but I changed

the topic line to " GSE " when I forwarded it to this group.

Just thought I would report how the GSE/Biotin is going for the OCD. I

started it 2 and a half days ago and about 1 day in the constant

finger licking slowed down a GREAT deal. Then by the next morning it

was completely gone and still is. even said that it was gone and

that he felt much better now. I am in a state of disbelief! I can't

believe that this is really working, but it does seem to be the case.

I will see if more symptoms fade as the days go on here.

Jane

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Explain 'throat closes'. Does it mean you can't breathe anymore?

Many lyme sufferers have trouble with swallowing, no matter what. I

had, it was very difficult to ingest pills, no matter which, the

problem was with swallowing itself, not related to allergy. Sometimes

even food didn't go down. This seems common in lyme.

GSE is a strong supplement. I never heard a herx = throat closes.

But I certainly know that throat getting blocked can be a serious

allergic reaction and cause death if untreated (death by

suffocation). I guess it is not your case, as you would have run to

the hospital when that started happening.

Not only the throat closes, but eyes too, you get unable to open your

eyes when the allergic reaction is strong because they swell (as much

as your throat).

Selma

>

> Quite often when I try something, my throat closes. It happened

when I tried

> the grapefruit seed extract. Does anyone know whether this reaction

is a

> herx or an allergic reaction? Thx - Robin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i sneeze after ingesting GSE liquid drops. i take it anyway. if you

have a reaction

within seconds after ingesting, it has to be an allergy - i don't see

how it

could be a herx.

Steve

On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:49 PM, selmanaka wrote:

> Explain 'throat closes'. Does it mean you can't breathe anymore?

>

> Many lyme sufferers have trouble with swallowing, no matter what. I

> had, it was very difficult to ingest pills, no matter which, the

> problem was with swallowing itself, not related to allergy. Sometimes

> even food didn't go down. This seems common in lyme.

>

> GSE is a strong supplement. I never heard a herx = throat closes.

>

> But I certainly know that throat getting blocked can be a serious

> allergic reaction and cause death if untreated (death by

> suffocation). I guess it is not your case, as you would have run to

> the hospital when that started happening.

>

> Not only the throat closes, but eyes too, you get unable to open your

> eyes when the allergic reaction is strong because they swell (as much

> as your throat).

>

> Selma

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Quite often when I try something, my throat closes. It happened

> when I tried

>> the grapefruit seed extract. Does anyone know whether this reaction

> is a

>> herx or an allergic reaction? Thx - Robin

>>

>>

>>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thx, Steve and Selma - I'm supposing at this point that this is an allergic

reaction, since a herx couldn't happen that fast, ie, within a couple

seconds. This happens often with powerful supplements. Needless to say, I

always

test the smallest amount and am ready with benadryl. I am really sensitive,

like

I react to most things I try. I seem to pass the anti-oxidants the best,

like with mangosteen juice, noni juice, grape seed extract, no problems. -

Robin

In a message dated 9/2/2008 4:45:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

xanax006@... writes:

i sneeze after ingesting GSE liquid drops. i take it anyway. if you

have a reaction

within seconds after ingesting, it has to be an allergy - i don't see

how it

could be a herx.

Steve

On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:49 PM, selmanaka wrote:

> Explain 'throat closes'. Does it mean you can't breathe anymore?

>

> Many lyme sufferers have trouble with swallowing, no matter what. I

> had, it was very difficult to ingest pills, no matter which, the

> problem was with swallowing itself, not related to allergy. Sometimes

> even food didn't go down. This seems common in lyme.

>

> GSE is a strong supplement. I never heard a herx = throat closes.

>

> But I certainly know that throat getting blocked can be a serious

> allergic reaction and cause death if untreated (death by

> suffocation) suffocation)<WBR>. I guess it is not your case, as you

> the hospital when that started happening.

>

> Not only the throat closes, but eyes too, you get unable to open your

> eyes when the allergic reaction is strong because they swell (as much

> as your throat).

>

> Selma

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Quite often when I try something, my throat closes. It happened

> when I tried

>> the grapefruit seed extract. Does anyone know whether this reaction

> is a

>> herx or an allergic reaction? Thx - Robin

>>

>>

>>

>

>

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>

> The book, Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme Epidemic by Pamela Weintraub

> is now

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[Guest guest]

Hi

if your throat is actually swelling then yes definitely get an allergy test to

avoid harm

BUT GSE is very astringent ( I take it on occasion) and sometimes it FEELS like

youre throat is raw or closing or you have to clear it, and diluting it more may

help with this.You can also chase it with a thick soothing substance like a bit

of honey!! ?BUT I wouldnt test it again before you have an allergy test

a local reaction isnt the same as " allergy " -that requires histamine and mast

cell involvement as well as ( usually)actual sweilling ( hives, or general

swelling)- local reactions are more like spasms when contact is made--as if your

throat is pulling away saying ouch ( like your fingers would if pricked by a

thorn). These muscle spasms can feel as if youre choking. Many who are sensitive

to various substances have this and if the spasms are severe its as dangerous as

true allergic type swelling because the result is the same--constricting airway.

also with allergy, the eyes arent always affected even with anaphylaxis--Ive had

various serious allergic responses, some almost fatal, and in each case I had

various swellings--never the entire face--eyes plus mouth etc..

Ive had lips tongue and throat, then Ive had eyes and lips, then Ive had eyes

and chest hives!!! so as a rule anytime you feel as if you cant breathe, it may

you need a Dr to assess or ER if after hours!!

and be aware the touble swallowing some of us have shoudl be evaluated as it can

be the first signs of intolerance to a herb or drug, or a nervous system

worsening or even CHIARI if the brainstem is being compromised itll affect

swallowing--very common first sign as is voice changes!!. Chiari can be caused (

secondary) or triggered ( primary) by Lyme and far too many with Lyme are

underdiagnosed or misdiagnosed and who actually have this.

Any change in what I call the major life supporting areas ( breathing swallowing

heart function) should always be evaluated by a medical professional!!

be well

Finette

[Guest guest]

Thx, Finette - do you know if throat swelling is part of an allergic

reaction, with histamine and mast cell reactivity? I get this reaction often

when I

test supplements. - Robin

In a message dated 9/4/2008 7:13:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

FinRussak@... writes:

Hi

if your throat is actually swelling then yes definitely get an allergy test

to avoid harm

BUT GSE is very astringent ( I take it on occasion) and sometimes it FEELS

like youre throat is raw or closing or you have to clear it, and diluting it

more may help with this.You can also chase it with a thick soothing substance

like a bit of honey!! ?BUT I wouldnt test it again before you have an allergy

test

a local reaction isnt the same as " allergy " -that requires histamine and

mast cell involvement as well as ( usually)actual sweilling ( hives, or general

swelling)- local reactions are more like spasms when contact is made--as if

your throat is pulling away saying ouch ( like your fingers would if pricked

by a thorn). These muscle spasms can feel as if youre choking. Many who are

sensitive to various substances have this and if the spasms are severe its as

dangerous as true allergic type swelling because the result is the

same--constricting airway.

also with allergy, the eyes arent always affected even with anaphylaxis-also

with allergy, the eyes arent always affected even with anaphylaxis-<WBR>-Ive

had various serious allergic responses, some almost fatal, and in ea

Ive had lips tongue and throat, then Ive had eyes and lips, then Ive had

eyes and chest hives!!! so as a rule anytime you feel as if you cant breathe,

it

may you need a Dr to assess or ER if after hours!!

and be aware the touble swallowing some of us have shoudl be evaluated as it

can be the first signs of intolerance to a herb or drug, or a nervous system

worsening or even CHIARI if the brainstem is being compromised itll affect

swallowing--and be aware the touble swallowing some of us have shoudl be

evaluated as it can be the first signs of intolerance to a herb or drug, or a

nervous system worsening or even CHIARI if the brainstem is being

Any change in what I call the major life supporting areas ( breathing

swallowing heart function) should always be evaluated by a medical

professional!A

be well

Finette

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