Re: This is crazy!

[Guest guest]

I think that the water supply in the US has been compromised for many

reasons, one of which is the fact that some organisms have become

resistant to the chemicals which are used to clean water supplies. So

they are still in the water even after it is treated. Another thing I

feel that with so many people entering the US from other countries

the parasites they have may be getting into the water supplies in that

way as well through the sewer systems or because they swim in

pools etc. when they have parasites. Parasites not previously found

in the US may also be hitching rides on all that imported produce.

Another thing, they may not test for all the organisms found in your

water supply and so nothing is added to water treatments to

control these parasites. Just a short sentence from an article I

found online where the EPA wants to increase the number of tests

being done in an area of Florida for possible newly discovered water

supply contaminants:

" The 129 contaminants being considered for testing include

pharmaceuticals, microbes and toxins that can invade wells, rivers and

lakes. "

Even a brain eating ameoba is mentioned in this article as a candidate

for testing! So you may want to find out what is in the water supply

you are using and possibly have your own private tests run if you are

in any doubt of its contaminants. Water from the faucet is not always

pure even though it is treated for some contaminants.

>

> I went to see my naturopath, Dr B, today, who I really like. He has

> tested me in the past on my Lyme status & today he says I am still

where

> I was in March, with Lyme having a 20% load on my body. BUT the big

> problem apparently now is FLUKES! Blood flukes! I had never heard of

> them! But he says they are a 70% load on my body & serious!

They're in

> my GI tract, the pancreas, liver, & spleen. He is ordering me some

> herbals - wormwood & some other things, along with Artemisin which I

> already have, & I'll be using psyllium. My local naturopath here will

> be using the Rife machine on it which Dr B says is great.

>

> I have done some small amount of research on this thing & it's

basically

> in Africa, Asia, & the Middle East & people get it from swimming or

> bathing in dirty water! I have not been in any dirty water!!!!!!! How

> on earth did I get this? I really did have enough on my plate what

> with Cdiff, Lyme, & glaucoma! And now this!

>

> Has anyone heard of these things?

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Here are two pages which discuss the types of

parasites found in people who are immigrating to the US and Europe. I

believe it is quite possible that formerly unknown parasites are being

introduced into the US and Europe from such populations. Some

parasites die out rapidly in the host, but others, such as

schistosomas (blood flukes) and Strongyloides stercoralis persist in

infecting their host for thirty years or more, in fact causing some

quite serious diseases which are detailed in the articles. I can see

that it could be possible that some parasites like blood flukes could

be introduced into the US by blood transfusions. Leishmaniasis

parasites are suddenly being found in the US blood supply,a previously

unknown to the US serious blood parasite.

http://www.idri.org/rd/chagas

If these parasites live within the host for an extended period of

time perhaps these parasites are even at some point introduced into

the water supply over time. I am sure that the extent of this problem

is not known as yet and is not limited just to parasites but to

diseases which have not been seen in the US for many years such as

tuberculosis, malaria and leprosy. It may be comforting to believe we

may only catch such infections from travel, but it is probably not the

only way we may become ill with previously unknown parasites and diseases.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/refugee/rh_guide/ip/domestic.htm

[Guest guest]

I agree that many unknown pathogens may be finding their way into water and food

supplies ( think of those food handlers in restaurants that maybe arrived that

week from a foreign country) BUT we also have to keep in mind that each pathogen

has a specific lifecycle- and just " contamination " often isnt enough

For example--malaria cant be spread from person to person like the flu.It needs

the mosquito stage.?Yes it can by blood transfusion--but the blood supply

" usually " goes through safety measures. They may allow you to give the blood to

avoid embarrassing you then toss it in the trash if you report having travelled

recently, or if the tests on the samples come up suspicious for a whole host of

stuff.

They DO test blood donated for many things--not perfect by all means but its not

as easy to get contaminated blood .

and with these sort of vector borne illnesses. " vecotr borne " means that some

part of the lifecycle must be INSIDE a vector or carrier ( most often an insect

or arachnid like a tick).and you are usually pretty ill if youre infected--even

without major outward symptoms, youd have anemia and other blood signs alerting

the donation center.

Lifecycle of many of the pathogens named here require it to HAVE to go thru a

vector to be passed along-

it is " possible " but highly UNlikely that someone arrives here with very bad

malaria then is bitten by a mosquito and 2 days later you are bitten by the same

mosquito and it inject malaria into you. Anything is possible but it is far more

likely you get hit by an airplane wing while walking your dog!!!

?the website

http://www.idri.org/rd/chagas

" happens " to be from the company trying to sell their vaccine against the chagas

and leishmania--a bit of a conflicted interest IMHO!!!! of course they are going

to say its a bigger problem than it is!!!

http://www.aabb.org/Content/Programs_and_Services/Data_Center/Chagas/

Current data are being provided by those laboratories that are using the test

licensed by FDA in January 2007 to screen blood donors for the T. cruzi

antibody. These laboratories account for more than 65 percent of the total blood

collected in the U.S.

so donated blood IS being tested!!

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5607a2.htm

the second site? http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/refugee/rh_guide/ip/domestic.htm

states

Trematodes, or flukes, are a group of parasites with a life cycle that requires

an intermediate snail host

and that snail species is almost always very specific..but lets say its easier:

you still need an immigrant sneaking in here carrying a LOT of

worms/parasites--making him probably too ill to work. But again lets say he can

work and is inthe field picking grapes. he poops and passes eggs. a snail --the

right snail-has to come along and incubate the pathogen and then it infects the

soil- another person (you) have to walk BAREFOOT or eat the SOIL or the snail to

get the pathogen.

HOW likely is that????

Often people ( and most often its companies trying to scare you into buying

their remedy OR a naturopath claiming you need his supplements etc) try to take

a highly unlikely scenario and enlarge it to scare you.

We have to sort out the " possible " from " probable " . and the " likely " from

" highly unlikely " . and then we can target improvements in the entire health

system--for example you are in far more danger IMO from being exposed to poisons

from plastics that are heated or used to feed babies than from getting malaria

from your neighbor.

the best advice for supposed parasites is

1. do you have symptoms? are they what you would expect for that infection?

2. have you had the proper and accurate tests? are they positive?

3. are you using an experienced and properly trained, licensed health

professional?

4.have you discussed all treatment available to make an informed choice?

5. is the treatment working?? ( ask how the health prof. will asses)

Finette

[Guest guest]

My husband and I are postiive for Lyme and we never had any " classic flu

like " symptoms.

cathleen

FinRussak@... wrote:

>

> I agree that many unknown pathogens may be finding their way into

> water and food supplies ( think of those food handlers in restaurants

> that maybe arrived that week from a foreign country) BUT we also have

> to keep in mind that each pathogen has a specific lifecycle- and just

> " contamination " often isnt enough

>

> For example--malaria cant be spread from person to person like the

> flu.It needs the mosquito stage.?Yes it can by blood transfusion--but

> the blood supply " usually " goes through safety measures. They may

> allow you to give the blood to avoid embarrassing you then toss it in

> the trash if you report having travelled recently, or if the tests on

> the samples come up suspicious for a whole host of stuff.

>

> They DO test blood donated for many things--not perfect by all means

> but its not as easy to get contaminated blood .

>

> and with these sort of vector borne illnesses. " vecotr borne " means

> that some part of the lifecycle must be INSIDE a vector or carrier (

> most often an insect or arachnid like a tick).and you are usually

> pretty ill if youre infected--even without major outward symptoms,

> youd have anemia and other blood signs alerting the donation center.

>

> Lifecycle of many of the pathogens named here require it to HAVE to go

> thru a vector to be passed along-

> it is " possible " but highly UNlikely that someone arrives here with

> very bad malaria then is bitten by a mosquito and 2 days later you are

> bitten by the same mosquito and it inject malaria into you. Anything

> is possible but it is far more likely you get hit by an airplane wing

> while walking your dog!!!

>

> ?the website

> http://www.idri.org/rd/chagas <http://www.idri.org/rd/chagas>

> " happens " to be from the company trying to sell their vaccine against

> the chagas and leishmania--a bit of a conflicted interest IMHO!!!! of

> course they are going to say its a bigger problem than it is!!!

>

> http://www.aabb.org/Content/Programs_and_Services/Data_Center/Chagas/

> <http://www.aabb.org/Content/Programs_and_Services/Data_Center/Chagas/>

> Current data are being provided by those laboratories that are using

> the test licensed by FDA in January 2007 to screen blood donors for

> the T. cruzi antibody. These laboratories account for more than 65

> percent of the total blood collected in the U.S.

>

> so donated blood IS being tested!!

> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5607a2.htm

> <http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5607a2.htm>

>

> the second site?

> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/refugee/rh_guide/ip/domestic.htm

> <http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/refugee/rh_guide/ip/domestic.htm>

> states

> Trematodes, or flukes, are a group of parasites with a life cycle that

> requires an intermediate snail host

>

> and that snail species is almost always very specific..but lets say

> its easier: you still need an immigrant sneaking in here carrying a

> LOT of worms/parasites--making him probably too ill to work. But again

> lets say he can work and is inthe field picking grapes. he poops and

> passes eggs. a snail --the right snail-has to come along and incubate

> the pathogen and then it infects the soil- another person (you) have

> to walk BAREFOOT or eat the SOIL or the snail to get the pathogen.

>

> HOW likely is that????

>

> Often people ( and most often its companies trying to scare you into

> buying their remedy OR a naturopath claiming you need his supplements

> etc) try to take a highly unlikely scenario and enlarge it to scare you.

>

> We have to sort out the " possible " from " probable " . and the " likely "

> from " highly unlikely " . and then we can target improvements in the

> entire health system--for example you are in far more danger IMO from

> being exposed to poisons from plastics that are heated or used to feed

> babies than from getting malaria from your neighbor.

>

> the best advice for supposed parasites is

> 1. do you have symptoms? are they what you would expect for that

> infection?

> 2. have you had the proper and accurate tests? are they positive?

> 3. are you using an experienced and properly trained, licensed health

> professional?

> 4.have you discussed all treatment available to make an informed choice?

> 5. is the treatment working?? ( ask how the health prof. will asses)

>

> Finette

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't you think an MD checkup might be in order?

My take on these it just sounds bogus. I know Hulda is a big proponent

of how this cause every ill you have. Again I would really really get a

second opinion from someone who can might actually be able to test for

parasites.

> [ ] This is crazy!

>

> I went to see my naturopath, Dr B, today, who I really like. He has

> tested me in the past on my Lyme status & today he says I am

> still where

> I was in March, with Lyme having a 20% load on my body. BUT the big

> problem apparently now is FLUKES! Blood flukes! I had never

> heard of

> them! But he says they are a 70% load on my body & serious!

> They're in

> my GI tract, the pancreas, liver, & spleen. He is ordering me some

> herbals - wormwood & some other things, along with Artemisin which I

> already have, & I'll be using psyllium. My local naturopath

> here will

> be using the Rife machine on it which Dr B says is great.

>

> I have done some small amount of research on this thing &

> it's basically

> in Africa, Asia, & the Middle East & people get it from swimming or

> bathing in dirty water! I have not been in any dirty

> water!!!!!!! How

> on earth did I get this? I really did have enough on my plate what

> with Cdiff, Lyme, & glaucoma! And now this!

>

> Has anyone heard of these things?

>

> Pam

>

> ---

[Guest guest]

Pam:

Keep researching. You will find that flukes are quite common in the U.S.

As a matter of fact, they are being highly linked to cancer. I don't

understand why more doctors are not asking patients to routinely treat for

something

so common and so linked to health problems. Oh ya, that's right, its all

about money. Must not be money in fluke treatment.

Heidi N

I went to see my naturopath, Dr B, today, who I really like. He has

> tested me in the past on my Lyme status & today he says I am

> still where

> I was in March, with Lyme having a 20% load on my body. BUT the big

> problem apparently now is FLUKES! Blood flukes! I had never

> heard of

> them! But he says they are a 70% load on my body & serious!

> They're in

> my GI tract, the pancreas, liver, & spleen. He is ordering me some

> herbals - wormwood & some other things, along with Artemisin which I

> already have, & I'll be using psyllium. My local naturopath

> here will

> be using the Rife machine on it which Dr B says is great.

>

> I have done some small amount of research on this thing &

> it's basically

> in Africa, Asia, & the Middle East & people get it from swimming or

> bathing in dirty water! I have not been in any dirty

> water!!!!!!! How

> on earth did I get this? I really did have enough on my plate what

> with Cdiff, Lyme, & glaucoma! And now this!

>

> Has anyone heard of these things?

>

> Pam

>

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[Guest guest]

Or alternatively they really aren't there and it's a scam. There are 2 sides

to this. There is certainly money to the alternative practitioners who have

a constant flow of patients and payments.

Now flukes do exist and there are tests that can be done for them. Have you

had any of these tests?

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requ

estURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/fluke_infections.jsp

http://tinyurl.com/4mzh66

Diagnosis

Diagnosis of fluke infections is based on a combination of the patient's

history, particularly travel or residence in areas known to have flukes, and

identification of the fluke's eggs or adult forms. In some patients, the

eggs are found in fluid from the lungs, bile duct, or small intestine.

Samples of these fluids can be obtained with a suction instrument

(aspirator). Because most types of fluke infections are rare in the United

States, stool specimens or body fluid samples may need to be sent to a

laboratory with experts in unusual diseases or conditions to identify the

specific parasite. In some cases, adult flukes may be found in the patient's

stools, vomit, sputum, or skin lumps (for lung flukes). In the case of lung

flukes, it is important for the doctor to rule out tuberculosis as a

possible diagnosis. A tuberculosis skin test and chest x ray will usually be

sufficient to do this.

Blood tests may be useful in diagnosing fluke infections, but their

usefulness is limited because of cross-reactions. A cross-reaction occurs in

blood testing when a particular disease agent reacts with antibodies

specific to another disease agent. This result means that the doctor may

know that the person is infected by flukes but cannot tell from the blood

test alone which specific type of fluke is causing the disease. In addition,

blood tests for fluke infections cannot distinguish between past and current

infections. In some cases, sophisticated imaging techniques, such as

computed tomography scans (CT scans) or ultrasound scans of the patient's

chest or brain (for lung flukes) or abdomen (for liver flukes), are useful

in confirming a diagnosis of fluke infection.

> [ ] Re: This is crazy!

>

> Pam:

>

> Keep researching. You will find that flukes are quite common

> in the U.S.

> As a matter of fact, they are being highly linked to cancer.

> I don't

> understand why more doctors are not asking patients to

> routinely treat for something

> so common and so linked to health problems. Oh ya, that's

> right, its all

> about money. Must not be money in fluke treatment.

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

the drs don't like to treat something you can cure in a short amount of

time. they only like treating diseases that there is a " once a day pill "

you must take to " manage " your condition, like diabetes or acid reflux

etc. They like the once a day for life pills so the pharmaceuticals can

make lots of money. They don't make money on diseases they can easily cure.

cathleen

Ambitionn01@... wrote:

>

> Pam:

>

> Keep researching. You will find that flukes are quite common in the U.S.

> As a matter of fact, they are being highly linked to cancer. I don't

> understand why more doctors are not asking patients to routinely treat

> for something

> so common and so linked to health problems. Oh ya, that's right, its all

> about money. Must not be money in fluke treatment.

>

> Heidi N

>

>

[Guest guest]

thank you

exactly what Ive been saying

and btw the only health professionals saying this is a " common "

problem in the U.S. are those selling the " cures " . I find that a bit

well, funny

we need to be very careful about where information comes from and

then passing it along without solid evidence.

F

>

> Or alternatively they really aren't there and it's a scam. There

are 2 sides

> to this. There is certainly money to the alternative practitioners

who have

> a constant flow of patients and payments.

>

> Now flukes do exist and there are tests that can be done for them.

Have you

> had any of these tests?

>

>

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

sp?requ

> estURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/fluke_infections.jsp

>

> http://tinyurl.com/4mzh66

>

> Diagnosis

>

> Diagnosis of fluke infections is based on a combination of the

patient's

> history, particularly travel or residence in areas known to have

flukes, and

> identification of the fluke's eggs or adult forms. In some

patients, the

> eggs are found in fluid from the lungs, bile duct, or small

intestine.

> Samples of these fluids can be obtained with a suction instrument

> (aspirator). Because most types of fluke infections are rare in

the United

> States, stool specimens or body fluid samples may need to be sent

to a

> laboratory with experts in unusual diseases or conditions to

identify the

> specific parasite. In some cases, adult flukes may be found in the

patient's

> stools, vomit, sputum, or skin lumps (for lung flukes). In the

case of lung

> flukes, it is important for the doctor to rule out tuberculosis as

a

> possible diagnosis. A tuberculosis skin test and chest x ray will

usually be

> sufficient to do this.

>

> Blood tests may be useful in diagnosing fluke infections, but their

> usefulness is limited because of cross-reactions. A cross-reaction

occurs in

> blood testing when a particular disease agent reacts with

antibodies

> specific to another disease agent. This result means that the

doctor may

> know that the person is infected by flukes but cannot tell from

the blood

> test alone which specific type of fluke is causing the disease. In

addition,

> blood tests for fluke infections cannot distinguish between past

and current

> infections. In some cases, sophisticated imaging techniques, such

as

> computed tomography scans (CT scans) or ultrasound scans of the

patient's

> chest or brain (for lung flukes) or abdomen (for liver flukes),

are useful

> in confirming a diagnosis of fluke infection.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really doubt that is true. I know a number of doctors and they tend to

really want to help people. Problem is the IDSA guidelines are really

messing things up for everyone.

> Re: [ ] This is crazy!

>

> the drs don't like to treat something you can cure in a short

> amount of

> time. they only like treating diseases that there is a " once

> a day pill "

> you must take to " manage " your condition, like diabetes or

> acid reflux

> etc. They like the once a day for life pills so the

> pharmaceuticals can

> make lots of money. They don't make money on diseases they

> can easily cure.

>

> cathleen

>

[Guest guest]

Cathleen

actually Drs do like to " cure' people, after all there are many more

ill people waiting for appts, and many retrunees for health checks--

But youre right that the pharma industry likes a repeat customer!!!

All the hype about needing cholesterol statins and blood pressure

meds for lower and lower results, and for life instead of diet

changes is a bit less than ethical IMHO

May I ask what this relates to regarding flukes and if theyre

present?? most real credentialed health professionals say that for

worms and flukes a single treatment period is all thats needed. Are

you referring to those fringe people recommending lifelong cleanses

and deworming due to the everyday presence and exposure of flukes

and worms??

if yes, then I absolutely agree that its a matter of selling a

constant supply of needed cure alls to the unsuspecting public!!!

I was confused becasue this was on the thread about flukes.

AMBITION

only 1 type of schistosomiasis

( from a specific blood fluke found in tropical areas)

called " bilharziasis " can cause ONE type of bladder cancer

this doesnt mean that all schisto infections can cause any other

kind of cancer at all. Or that parasites can in general cause cancer.

The problem with many using alarming and hysteria tactics to

sell " cures " is something I look at with a jaundiced eye.

there is plenty of money in fluke treatment--but I dont see any good

verification that its needed. and thats why those selling

the " cures " need to use hysteria and scare tactics to convince us

there is a need to buy it.

> >

> > Pam:

> >

> > Keep researching. You will find that flukes are quite common in

the U.S.

> > As a matter of fact, they are being highly linked to cancer. I

don't

> > understand why more doctors are not asking patients to routinely

treat

> > for something

> > so common and so linked to health problems. Oh ya, that's right,

its all

> > about money. Must not be money in fluke treatment.

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

About a month ago my friend,who is a colon therapist started giving me

colonics. We saw flukes ,just like in Hilda s book. So I am doing

Arise and Shine colon cleanse protocal,with the parasite herbs. plus

colonics. I am amazed at what is coming out of me. My friend is being

very generous and giving me a deep discount. I am very grateful for

the gift. I am not linked with Arise and Shine or making $ from them.

You can check it out on line or call company and they will send you

lots of great info. Wondering how your Dr tested you. Stool,blood

energy testing? Healing Blessings Joyce

In ,

cathleen rehfeld <crehfeld@...> wrote:

>

> the drs don't like to treat something you can cure in a short amount of

> time. they only like treating diseases that there is a " once a day

pill "

> you must take to " manage " your condition, like diabetes or acid reflux

> etc. They like the once a day for life pills so the pharmaceuticals can

> make lots of money. They don't make money on diseases they can

easily cure.

>

> cathleen

>

[Guest guest]

in the thread, they were asking why more drs don't look for flukes or

treat flukes. I think it's because they don't really care about a

disease that can be cured by a short treatment of antibiotics. they want

to get you on daily drugs, so they are looking for High Blood Pressure etc.

c

Finette Lerman-Russak wrote:

>

> Cathleen

>

> actually Drs do like to " cure' people, after all there are many more

> ill people waiting for appts, and many retrunees for health checks--

> But youre right that the pharma industry likes a repeat customer!!!

>

> All the hype about needing cholesterol statins and blood pressure

> meds for lower and lower results, and for life instead of diet

> changes is a bit less than ethical IMHO

>

> May I ask what this relates to regarding flukes and if theyre

> present?? most real credentialed health professionals say that for

> worms and flukes a single treatment period is all thats needed. Are

> you referring to those fringe people recommending lifelong cleanses

> and deworming due to the everyday presence and exposure of flukes

> and worms??

>

> if yes, then I absolutely agree that its a matter of selling a

> constant supply of needed cure alls to the unsuspecting public!!!

>

> I was confused becasue this was on the thread about flukes.

>

> AMBITION

>

> only 1 type of schistosomiasis

> ( from a specific blood fluke found in tropical areas)

> called " bilharziasis " can cause ONE type of bladder cancer

>

> this doesnt mean that all schisto infections can cause any other

> kind of cancer at all. Or that parasites can in general cause cancer.

> The problem with many using alarming and hysteria tactics to

> sell " cures " is something I look at with a jaundiced eye.

>

> there is plenty of money in fluke treatment--but I dont see any good

> verification that its needed. and thats why those selling

> the " cures " need to use hysteria and scare tactics to convince us

> there is a need to buy it.

>

[Guest guest]

Ann, you one of the few who do recognize this.All the input I get from

other forums is that I am off the wall here. But my LLMD knows that

there are flukes in our lakes & rivers, that infected immigrants bring

them in. And as someone else pointed out, when you see the migrant

workers in the produce fields, you see the porta potties but nowhere to

wash their hands!

I am taking a med now for them that is in the deworming meds that vets

use!

Thank you so much for answering!

P

Ambitionn01@... wrote:

>

> Pam:

>

> Keep researching. You will find that flukes are quite common in the U.S.

> As a matter of fact, they are being highly linked to cancer. I don't

> understand why more doctors are not asking patients to routinely treat

> for something

> so common and so linked to health problems. Oh ya, that's right, its all

> about money. Must not be money in fluke treatment.

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> I went to see my naturopath, Dr B, today, who I really like. He has

> > tested me in the past on my Lyme status & today he says I am

> > still where

> > I was in March, with Lyme having a 20% load on my body. BUT the big

> > problem apparently now is FLUKES! Blood flukes! I had never

> > heard of

> > them! But he says they are a 70% load on my body & serious!

> > They're in

> > my GI tract, the pancreas, liver, & spleen. He is ordering me some

> > herbals - wormwood & some other things, along with Artemisin which I

> > already have, & I'll be using psyllium. My local naturopath

> > here will

> > be using the Rife machine on it which Dr B says is great.

> >

> > I have done some small amount of research on this thing &

> > it's basically

> > in Africa, Asia, & the Middle East & people get it from swimming or

> > bathing in dirty water! I have not been in any dirty

> > water!!!!!!! How

> > on earth did I get this? I really did have enough on my plate what

> > with Cdiff, Lyme, & glaucoma! And now this!

> >

> > Has anyone heard of these things?

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, Heidi! I have no idea why I called you " Ann. "

Ambitionn01@... wrote:

>

> Pam:

>

> Keep researching. You will find that flukes are quite common in the U.S.

> As a matter of fact, they are being highly linked to cancer. I don't

> understand why more doctors are not asking patients to routinely treat

> for something

> so common and so linked to health problems. Oh ya, that's right, its all

> about money. Must not be money in fluke treatment.

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> I went to see my naturopath, Dr B, today, who I really like. He has

> > tested me in the past on my Lyme status & today he says I am

> > still where

> > I was in March, with Lyme having a 20% load on my body. BUT the big

> > problem apparently now is FLUKES! Blood flukes! I had never

> > heard of

> > them! But he says they are a 70% load on my body & serious!

> > They're in

> > my GI tract, the pancreas, liver, & spleen. He is ordering me some

> > herbals - wormwood & some other things, along with Artemisin which I

> > already have, & I'll be using psyllium. My local naturopath

> > here will

> > be using the Rife machine on it which Dr B says is great.

> >

> > I have done some small amount of research on this thing &

> > it's basically

> > in Africa, Asia, & the Middle East & people get it from swimming or

> > bathing in dirty water! I have not been in any dirty

> > water!!!!!!! How

> > on earth did I get this? I really did have enough on my plate what

> > with Cdiff, Lyme, & glaucoma! And now this!

> >

> > Has anyone heard of these things?

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

, I tried to get tests. I went in but the lab kicked it up to Mayo

& Mayo then kicked it to the CDC. They said that unless the patient is

really ill & has a documented travel history outside the U.S., they

won't do the testing. And they apparently are the ones that DO the

testing. So I could not get tested.

wrote:

>

> Or alternatively they really aren't there and it's a scam. There are 2

> sides

> to this. There is certainly money to the alternative practitioners who

> have

> a constant flow of patients and payments.

>

> Now flukes do exist and there are tests that can be done for them.

> Have you

> had any of these tests?

>

> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requ

> <http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requ>

> estURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/fluke_infections.jsp

>

> http://tinyurl.com/4mzh66 <http://tinyurl.com/4mzh66>

>

> Diagnosis

>

> Diagnosis of fluke infections is based on a combination of the patient's

> history, particularly travel or residence in areas known to have

> flukes, and

> identification of the fluke's eggs or adult forms. In some patients, the

> eggs are found in fluid from the lungs, bile duct, or small intestine.

> Samples of these fluids can be obtained with a suction instrument

> (aspirator). Because most types of fluke infections are rare in the United

> States, stool specimens or body fluid samples may need to be sent to a

> laboratory with experts in unusual diseases or conditions to identify the

> specific parasite. In some cases, adult flukes may be found in the

> patient's

> stools, vomit, sputum, or skin lumps (for lung flukes). In the case of

> lung

> flukes, it is important for the doctor to rule out tuberculosis as a

> possible diagnosis. A tuberculosis skin test and chest x ray will

> usually be

> sufficient to do this.

>

> Blood tests may be useful in diagnosing fluke infections, but their

> usefulness is limited because of cross-reactions. A cross-reaction

> occurs in

> blood testing when a particular disease agent reacts with antibodies

> specific to another disease agent. This result means that the doctor may

> know that the person is infected by flukes but cannot tell from the blood

> test alone which specific type of fluke is causing the disease. In

> addition,

> blood tests for fluke infections cannot distinguish between past and

> current

> infections. In some cases, sophisticated imaging techniques, such as

> computed tomography scans (CT scans) or ultrasound scans of the patient's

> chest or brain (for lung flukes) or abdomen (for liver flukes), are useful

> in confirming a diagnosis of fluke infection.

>

> > [ ] Re: This is crazy!

> >

> > Pam:

> >

> > Keep researching. You will find that flukes are quite common

> > in the U.S.

> > As a matter of fact, they are being highly linked to cancer.

> > I don't

> > understand why more doctors are not asking patients to

> > routinely treat for something

> > so common and so linked to health problems. Oh ya, that's

> > right, its all

> > about money. Must not be money in fluke treatment.

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok sounds like you tried the right approach! How long do you have to take

the deformer? I thought it is just a one time shot?

> Re: [ ] This is crazy!

>

> , I tried to get tests. I went in but the lab kicked it

> up to Mayo

> & Mayo then kicked it to the CDC. They said that unless the

> patient is

> really ill & has a documented travel history outside the U.S., they

> won't do the testing. And they apparently are the ones that DO the

> testing. So I could not get tested.

>

[Guest guest]

Pam wrote:

[i am taking a med now for them that is in the deworming meds that

vets

use!]

Id be very careful about vet meds--theyre not the same as people

meds and many are very (very) toxic to humans!!!

and Id also have a test to make sure it is " flukes " or other worm

like parasites as well.

Like it was posted--if you havent swallowed a lot of proven to be

infected water, or eaten raw meat or fish, or walked barefoot just

exactly where certain species of smails are--its highly UNlikely you

even have the " worms " at all

to ingest poisons ( antiworm drugs are all poisons) " in case " or on

a guess is very risky IMHO

>

> Ann, you one of the few who do recognize this.All the input I get

from

> other forums is that I am off the wall here. But my LLMD knows

that

> there are flukes in our lakes & rivers, that infected immigrants

bring

> them in. And as someone else pointed out, when you see the migrant

> workers in the produce fields, you see the porta potties but

nowhere to

> wash their hands!

>

> I am taking a med now for them that is in the deworming meds that

vets

> use!

>

> Thank you so much for answering!

>

> P

>

>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pam

if you truly suspect the infection of any kind of parasite--have

your Dr ( he has to be licensed) email or phone the cdc and if he

certifies your symptoms and risk of exposure ( even if you havent

travelled abroad) they will accept your blood for testing!!

It may be you arent getting the entire story from the Drs office??

or that the Dr isnt licensed?? and then youll have to see another

type of practitioner(MD).

and if you arent " sick enough " meaning your regular blood tests dont

show any chance of you having this parasite, then indeed why would

the current " dr " youre seeing even suspect them? saying " theyre all

over so maybe you too have them " isnt ,frankly ,enough of a reason.

neither is " I think even I have them so you probably do too "

this is a serious tretament that requires being almost sure you have

what your eradicating.

Ive checked with 2 university parasitology depts and they verify

that other than the deep south bordering Mexico it is EXTREMELY rare

to have human infections with flukes and that all of the water

tested ( ponds, lakes, etc) do not have rampant schistosomiasis

flukes ( blood flukes)

I dont believe any of the scare tactics or dewormer sellers saying "

its all over " , sorry

> >

> > Or alternatively they really aren't there and it's a scam. There

are 2

> > sides

> > to this. There is certainly money to the alternative

practitioners who

> > have

> > a constant flow of patients and payments.

> >

> > Now flukes do exist and there are tests that can be done for

them.

> > Have you

> > had any of these tests?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You might like to read this long article about the " hidden " problems

of parasite infections in the US:

http://www.plosntds.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pntd.0000256

Just one quote from this article:

" Neglected infections among migrant farm workers.

Approximately 95% of the several million migrant agricultural workers

in the US were born in Mexico, and almost all of them live below the

poverty line [92]. They have significant health disparities, with case

fatality rates more than five times the US average. In addition to

very high rates of HIV, tuberculosis, and chronic diseases [92],

[125]–[127], the Mexican-born migrant workers living in the US often

suffer from high rates of parasitic infection, including ascariasis

and hookworm infection [92], [128]–[130] (for which there is evidence

of autochthonous transmission on US farms [131]), cysticercosis and

Chagas disease [127],[131], and other neglected infections [92],[125]. "

So even if the rivers and lakes are not yet infected by liver flukes

one does have to wonder how long before they will become so, since

many of these immigrants have very lax standards of hygiene. Also

there is some incidence of service members bringing back various

parasitic infections from the Middle Eastern countries in which they

are stationed.

Here is an article detailing the importation of Chagas disease into

the US and its blood supply:

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2007/feb/22/20070222-111038-5018r/

" A large study of blood donations collected from two U.S. border states

found that nearly one in 5,000 was positive for Chagas' disease, a

potentially fatal parasitic disorder endemic in Latin America,

according to a federal report. "

" Dr. Louis V. Kirchhoff, a Chagas' disease specialist at the University

of Iowa's medical school, has estimated that as many as 10 percent of

the Mexicans who migrate to the United States are infected. "

" Infection also may occur via blood transfusion, congenital

transmission, organ transplantation, laboratory incident and ingestion

of triatomine-tainted food or drink. "

It is probably not just border states which are being effected. All

the southern tier US states are seeing large influxes of immigrants

from Latin American countries. Many of these folks work in

restaurants and of course on farms.

Even Europe is seeing introductions of leishmaniasis as a result of

large immigrations from the Middle East and Africa. I doubt we are

far behind as this is also found in Latin American populations:

http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/14/7/1013.htm

" The risk for reintroduction of some exotic vector-borne diseases in

Europe has become a hot topic, while the reality of others is

neglected at the public health policy level. Leishmaniasis is endemic

in all southern countries of Europe, with & #8776;700 autochthonous

human cases reported each year (3,950 if Turkey is included).

Asymptomatic cases have been estimated at 30–100/1 symptomatic case,

and leishmaniasis has up to 25% seroprevalence in domestic dogs. Even

though leishmaniasis is essentially associated with Leishmania

infantum and visceral leishmaniasis, new species, such as L. donovani

and L. tropica, might colonize European sand fly vectors.

Drug-resistant L. infantum strains might be exported outside Europe

through dogs. Despite this possibility, no coordinated surveillance of

the disease exists at the European level. In this review of

leishmaniasis importance in Europe, we would like to bridge the gap

between research and surveillance and control. "

We can no longer afford to ignore these sorts of statistics as these

parasites, perhaps even liver flukes, may soon be found all over

Europe and the US. The CDC often does not discover these infections

until well after they have entered the population. Chagas disease

according to the above article was not found in the US blood supply in

a study done in 2005, but as of the last sampling it has been found in

large enough numbers to cause concern (5000 samples and who knows how

many untested samples also would have tested positive).

I think everyone needs to become aware they are at risk for

parasites and disease which formerly were quite rare. The first link

posted is quite thought provoking. Although it is long I feel it is

well worth reading.

bdw

>

> Pam

>

> if you truly suspect the infection of any kind of parasite--have

> your Dr ( he has to be licensed) email or phone the cdc and if he

> certifies your symptoms and risk of exposure ( even if you havent

> travelled abroad) they will accept your blood for testing!!

>

> It may be you arent getting the entire story from the Drs office??

> or that the Dr isnt licensed?? and then youll have to see another

> type of practitioner(MD).

>

> and if you arent " sick enough " meaning your regular blood tests dont

> show any chance of you having this parasite, then indeed why would

> the current " dr " youre seeing even suspect them? saying " theyre all

> over so maybe you too have them " isnt ,frankly ,enough of a reason.

>

> neither is " I think even I have them so you probably do too "

>

> this is a serious tretament that requires being almost sure you have

> what your eradicating.

>

> Ive checked with 2 university parasitology depts and they verify

> that other than the deep south bordering Mexico it is EXTREMELY rare

> to have human infections with flukes and that all of the water

> tested ( ponds, lakes, etc) do not have rampant schistosomiasis

> flukes ( blood flukes)

>

> I dont believe any of the scare tactics or dewormer sellers saying "

> its all over " , sorry

>

[Guest guest]

fantastic articles!!! very thorough and its important to realize

that while MANY parasites are indeed becoming a problem, that doesnt

mean all are---yet.

to quote the author's own conclusion

[based on my estimates of prevalence (Table 2) and other health and

socioeconomic impacts, the most important neglected helminth

infections of poverty in the US are the helminth diseases

toxocariasis (inner cities and the American South), ascariasis

(Appalachia and the American South), strongyloidiasis (Appalachia),

and cysticercosis (US–Mexico borderlands). Among the important

vector-borne neglected infections are dengue and Chagas disease in

the US–Mexico borderlands and in post-Katrina Louisiana. Congenital

infections such as congenital CMV and congenital syphilis stand out

as health disparities in inner cities and the American South. Trench

fever and leptospirosis are important among the homeless and other

disadvantaged urban populations.]

note the type of parasite and loactions where found as of today ( so

if you dont live in those areas its far less likely)and all have

specific symptoms too:

toxicariasis is tape worm -inner city and south( and yes we need

better dog pooper scoopers)

ascariasis-roundworm-appalachia and south

strongyloides-thread worm--type of roundworm-appalachia

cystecercosis-tapeworm present in pork and beef-US-mexico border

not one mention of FLUKES!!Im guessing those are even more rare. and

much of the article says what will happen if we dont get a handle on

them now, not that theyre in any way prevalent at this time.

and note the conflicts of interest ( which dont make his opinions

less valid--just something we all need to be aware of when taking

someone's opinions as valid)

QUOTE

[Competing interests: PJH is Executive Director of the Global

Network for Neglected Tropical Disease Control (GNNTDC), the

Director of the Human Hookworm Vaccine Initiative (HHVI), and

President of the Sabin Vaccine Institute. He is an inventor on an

international patent for a hookworm vaccine]

wouldnt it be in a vaccine patentor's best interests to say that

there is a big problem?

and yet all he says is that there WILL eventually be a big

problem...maybe...if we dont become educated in these once forgotten

about ills.

and scarier still is that SYPHILIS has again become a very BIG

problem in all groups!!!and almost all states no longer require a

pre-marital test for that so many go undiagnosed and infective!!

so what Id do if told I may have blood flukes:

make sure I had the exposure risk possibility ( did I eat raw foods,

walk barefoot on infected soils, etc)

make sure I had the correct symptoms associated with it

make sure I got the right diagnostic tests

make sure the treatments offered are effective for that specific

infection

make sure I take the precautioons and warnings seriously (like

avoiding alcohol or other meds during the dosing)

and avoid colon cleanses

and avoid thinking that anything coming out of me was indeed and in

fact anything unless a parasitologist identified it as such

F

>

> You might like to read this long article about the " hidden "

problems

> of parasite infections in the US:

>

> http://www.plosntds.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%

2Fjournal.pntd.0000256

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce

Ive seen on other forums that youve been on the MMS miracle mineral

stuff for a long while. Isnt that promoted to be antiparasitic too??

I was wondering how you managed to still have any kinds of

parasites , let alone flukes,after taking that for so long.

and glad youre doing better!!

Finette

> >

> > the drs don't like to treat something you can cure in a short

amount of

> > time. they only like treating diseases that there is a " once a

day

> pill "

> > you must take to " manage " your condition, like diabetes or acid

reflux

> > etc. They like the once a day for life pills so the

pharmaceuticals can

> > make lots of money. They don't make money on diseases they can

> easily cure.

> >

> > cathleen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

One day. Three times a day, 5 hours apart.

wrote:

>

> Ok sounds like you tried the right approach! How long do you have to take

> the deformer? I thought it is just a one time shot?

>

> > Re: [ ] This is crazy!

> >

> > , I tried to get tests. I went in but the lab kicked it

> > up to Mayo

> > & Mayo then kicked it to the CDC. They said that unless the

> > patient is

> > really ill & has a documented travel history outside the U.S., they

> > won't do the testing. And they apparently are the ones that DO the

> > testing. So I could not get tested.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Finette, I think you misunderstood. I didn't say I was taking vet

meds, only that Biltridice, which is what I took, is also an ingredient

in vet deworming meds.

I think that we are getting a lot more exposure to these things through

infected people coming into this country from areas where these

infections are common. And the migrant workers unfortunately do not

live in the cleanest of environments, either where they came from, or here.

Finette Lerman-Russak wrote:

>

> Pam wrote:

> [i am taking a med now for them that is in the deworming meds that

> vets

> use!]

>

> Id be very careful about vet meds--theyre not the same as people

> meds and many are very (very) toxic to humans!!!

>

> and Id also have a test to make sure it is " flukes " or other worm

> like parasites as well.

>

> Like it was posted--if you havent swallowed a lot of proven to be

> infected water, or eaten raw meat or fish, or walked barefoot just

> exactly where certain species of smails are--its highly UNlikely you

> even have the " worms " at all

>

> to ingest poisons ( antiworm drugs are all poisons) " in case " or on

> a guess is very risky IMHO

>

>

> >

> > Ann, you one of the few who do recognize this.All the input I get

> from

> > other forums is that I am off the wall here. But my LLMD knows

> that

> > there are flukes in our lakes & rivers, that infected immigrants

> bring

> > them in. And as someone else pointed out, when you see the migrant

> > workers in the produce fields, you see the porta potties but

> nowhere to

> > wash their hands!

> >

> > I am taking a med now for them that is in the deworming meds that

> vets

> > use!

> >

> > Thank you so much for answering!

> >

> > P

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I took a public health class quite a few years back and they were monitoring

hepatitis and saying when the porta potties are several fields away and you

are being paid by the bushel.....workers often can't afford to use the

potties and use the fields.....wipe with a cabbage leaf and keep on picking.

(Makayla'smom)

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Pam Norman <pam_norman@...> wrote:

> Ann, you one of the few who do recognize this.All the input I get from

> other forums is that I am off the wall here. But my LLMD knows that

> there are flukes in our lakes & rivers, that infected immigrants bring

> them in. And as someone else pointed out, when you see the migrant

> workers in the produce fields, you see the porta potties but nowhere to

> wash their hands!

>

> I am taking a med now for them that is in the deworming meds that vets

> use!

>

> Thank you so much for answering!

>

> P

>

>

> Ambitionn01@... <Ambitionn01%40aol.com> wrote:

> >

> > Pam:

> >

> > Keep researching. You will find that flukes are quite common in the U.S.

> > As a matter of fact, they are being highly linked to cancer. I don't

> > understand why more doctors are not asking patients to routinely treat

> > for something

> > so common and so linked to health problems. Oh ya, that's right, its all

> > about money. Must not be money in fluke treatment.

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

> >

> >

> > I went to see my naturopath, Dr B, today, who I really like. He has

> > > tested me in the past on my Lyme status & today he says I am

> > > still where

> > > I was in March, with Lyme having a 20% load on my body. BUT the big

> > > problem apparently now is FLUKES! Blood flukes! I had never

> > > heard of

> > > them! But he says they are a 70% load on my body & serious!

> > > They're in

> > > my GI tract, the pancreas, liver, & spleen. He is ordering me some

> > > herbals - wormwood & some other things, along with Artemisin which I

> > > already have, & I'll be using psyllium. My local naturopath

> > > here will

> > > be using the Rife machine on it which Dr B says is great.

> > >

> > > I have done some small amount of research on this thing &

> > > it's basically

> > > in Africa, Asia, & the Middle East & people get it from swimming or

> > > bathing in dirty water! I have not been in any dirty

> > > water!!!!!!! How

> > > on earth did I get this? I really did have enough on my plate what

> > > with Cdiff, Lyme, & glaucoma! And now this!

> > >

> > > Has anyone heard of these things?

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> >

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> > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information,

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