Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 I did them at home with 2 far infrared heaters in a hallway I made into a temporary sauna. I wish I had done it a lot slower. I was following Jim Clements protocol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Hi CJ, There's nothing more discouraging than spending precious energy and money on a treatment that is supposed to help but instead makes you worse--especially if you never get back to pre-treatment level. (It's experiences like this that cause members of this list who are now on the marshallprotocol list to ask so many questions.) Did you do the saunas at home or did you go someplace to get them? What kind of sauna did you use. You referred to an infrared sauna. Did you mean far infrared? It sounds as though you did everything " right, " and from what little I know I can't understand why it made you so sick. It sounds as though you were following Sherri ' protocol. Sue , Upstate New York > Just wanted to let everyone know that the Infrared saunas are not as safe for > everyone as people are saying. I have had a serious level of worsening of my > health from detoxing too quickly with the infrared saunas. I just talked to > another EI woman who had the same drastic affect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 I don't really understand the point about the saunas not being involved in removing toxins. From everything else I have read about the FIR saunas -- save Jim's comments here -- that's exactly what they do, particularly for those of us with MCS. I personally feel that this is the only way they have helped me. I can recover a little more quickly from chemical exposures on the occasions that I do leave my house and I'm inevitably exposed to people wearing scented products and car exhaust. If I get into the sauna right after an exposure, it helps prevent the extreme level of crash I typically have. I was one of those who felt much worse emotionally when I first started using the sauna heaters due to what I now believe was mineral depletion. It was so dramatic and weird in the early months of the sauna. I literally was just filled with rage and depressive thoughts about two hours after doing each sauna, and that seemed obviously related. In my case, being diligent about the high-quality mineral supplements fixed the problem. But then I began to have the heart issues related to the sauna. Antibiotics helped those but they have come and gone since then. I have come out of the whole thing with mixed feelings. I do feel that the sauna has helped me in some ways -- mainly, as I said, to detox from chemical stuff. So I'd be generally suprised if it wasn't doing that. As a result, I believe, of better detoxification, my OI symptoms are also better. I have learned over time that OI symptoms for me are directly related to chemical exposures in my environment. I learned this when I spent ten days in a completely pristine, all-nontoxic-materials trailer in a pristine area at one point. I had OI symptoms constantly before that for many years-- and I mean constantly, to the extent that I could only sit up for a few minutes at a time most of the time -- and then within a few hours of being in the pristine trailer they were much better, and I could sit up for a couple of hours, sometimes even longer, the whole time I was there. They returned immediately when I left that environment. In the time I have done the sauna, my OI symptoms have improved again. I believe this is due to better detoxification. On the other hand, I wouldn't say my MCS has improved at all. It has gotten steadily worse over the last five or six years, and I can almost never be around people in my own home. I agree the sauna heaters were toxic-smelly and offgassing like crazy at first, although Jim told me I was the others with MCS did not have this problem. For me, this problem dissipated after awhile though. I have also noticed that my cognitive problems have been significantly worse in the last six months or so, and I worry that this could be related to the saunas. I can hardly follow this list at all, and that's why my posts have become so scarce. I guess all I can say about the saunas at this point is that some things are better, and some things are worse. I'd also like to point out that the reason why a lot of us aren't posting on the FIR list is that we don't have the cognitive or physical energy to keep up with more than one list. I'm guessing CJ is in that category. Plus, it's hard to post on a list when you're expressing genuine and valid concerns -- as she was doing -- and have people dispute your truth or try to rationalize it away. I agree that CJs experience must be taken as a warning for the rest of us still using the saunas. Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 I wanted to thank everying for their input & perspective on this subject. One thing I appreciate about this list is the many different critiques & intelligent responses. I know this is not a support list but I do appreciate the support that was expressed. It was interesting to read that Peggy had emotional reactions within 2 hrs of the sauna from mineral depletion. I was very careful to take a lot of electrolytes & minerals & I felt fine after the saunas. I was determined to improve my health in what I thought was a fairly safe treatment so I kept trying to do it twice a week for about 30 minutes for 3 months. I was also doing Glutithione by IV push & nebulizer. I was not using it to detox, I was hoping it would help my metabolism as per Jim Clements theory. I did not slow down that much nor stop the saunas because I did not realize it was what was causing the worsening my symptoms until too late. I have had this illness for over 20 yrs now & I read constantly about all the treatments & theories & remedies that have come & gone. It saves me a lot of $$ & energy just getting the feedback from people who try the new ones & the experiences that people share so I can choose what I think would be the best to try for myself. I also have MCS & aired out the infrared heaters & used the hallway with hardwood floors sealed with a safe AFM sealant along wth old wood doors sealed the same way in a very old house that has not been painted in 15 yrs. So I do not think an exposure or mineral depletion was my problem. I guess that with all treatments it is a gamble what will help or do nothing or make one worse. I think I am better off not doing any treatments for now until I can recuperate a little. I do not have access to a Hyperbaric Chamber & am too ill & in too much pain to think about going out for treatment. But thanks for the suggestion. I have been too sick from the sauna treatment to even think about anything but surviving day to day. Except I am going to try starting the Glutithione IV pushs once a week again. I did not find much help on the Fir list & when I became too ill & stopped the saunas I did not see any point in staying on it. I tried to apply Jim's diet plan as best I could & I still take some of his dried liver powder but there is no way I could stomach the sardines he suggests ingesting. He is not a Dr. & he does not have CFIDS & it is just his theories he wanted us to try out to see if it worked. I had thought that since I could tolerate the infrared heat that it was safe for me. The others on the Fir list had reactions or reasons to slow down the treatment. So that is why I am sharing my experiences, along with the fact that another MCS person just reported her own horrendous experiences. I had not heard of anyone else who had such negative results till the response from this list. C.J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 If you're experiencing heat conditions which gobbles up the yin (fluids), I'd stay away from the sauna. Also, if you're mineral deficient and weak, best not to indulge. is Rotella, M.Ac. > > Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for > detoxification of the body > > Are their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficial > > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 As far as I know the far infrared sauna is safe even for cardiac patients (which other saunas are not). The only contraindication would be during pregnancy and lactation because you wouldn't want to be liberating stored toxins into the mother's bloodstream at such times. Books by Dr Sherry (Detoxify or Die/The Bloodpressure Hoax) have much information on FIR saunas - she recommends the one by Hightech Health in US (NY I believe). As with all detoxification its important to be well supported and to start slowly and work up the temperature scale and sauna time gradually. Hope this helps. CharlizeLyn Meyer <lmeyer@...> wrote: Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for detoxification of the bodyAre their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficialThanks What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 anyone on blood thinners, like Plavix, etvc. shouild beware of that and other heat treatments that will dilate the vessels and thin the blood. Heart patients and the like should definitely consult their physician who has put them on this stuff, it acts somewhat like rat poison, inhibits clotting and other things.Lyn Meyer <lmeyer@...> wrote: Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for detoxification of the body Are their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficial Thanks Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Also, women w/hormonal issues where the triple burner is off........they may not be able to stand the high temperatures of the infrared sauna........... I personally have one and have noticed tremendous benefits for detoxification on those able to handle the high temperatures. Pat Atwood N.D. Re: Infrared Sauna As far as I know the far infrared sauna is safe even for cardiac patients (which other saunas are not). The only contraindication would be during pregnancy and lactation because you wouldn't want to be liberating stored toxins into the mother's bloodstream at such times. Books by Dr Sherry (Detoxify or Die/The Bloodpressure Hoax) have much information on FIR saunas - she recommends the one by Hightech Health in US (NY I believe). As with all detoxification its important to be well supported and to start slowly and work up the temperature scale and sauna time gradually. Hope this helps. CharlizeLyn Meyer <lmeyer@...> wrote: Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for detoxification of the bodyAre their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficialThanks What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Good news on this issue, when you work to rebalance the triple burner or deal with items like burns (2nd or 3rd degree or heat stroke) which can cause a problem with future heat stroke these people often begin to sweat (almost like they were re-programed) so that they are able to finally detox through the skin. Don't forget to also work in Short Sarcode RX on the skin to help with this 3rd kidney issue (as the skin is known), and help with the detox process. Yours in Health, KathyPat Atwood <PatwoodND@...> wrote: Also, women w/hormonal issues where the triple burner is off........they may not be able to stand the high temperatures of the infrared sauna........... I personally have one and have noticed tremendous benefits for detoxification on those able to handle the high temperatures. Pat Atwood N.D. Re: Infrared Sauna As far as I know the far infrared sauna is safe even for cardiac patients (which other saunas are not). The only contraindication would be during pregnancy and lactation because you wouldn't want to be liberating stored toxins into the mother's bloodstream at such times. Books by Dr Sherry (Detoxify or Die/The Bloodpressure Hoax) have much information on FIR saunas - she recommends the one by Hightech Health in US (NY I believe). As with all detoxification its important to be well supported and to start slowly and work up the temperature scale and sauna time gradually. Hope this helps. CharlizeLyn Meyer <lmeyer@...> wrote: Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for detoxification of the bodyAre their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficialThanks What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 I know you asked someone else, but dry heat is going to aggrivate a Pitta. Pittas are mostly dry unless they have a lot of Vatta. Heat is heat. is Rotella, M.Ac. > As with all heat exposure it is important not to heat the head, especially > in case the patient has a PITTA constitution (this comes from Ayurvedic > medicine). Patients with high blood pressure or diabetes mell. might get a > stroke. The dry heat of a traditional sauna is a lot better. > > Karl > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: qxci-english > [mailto:qxci-english ]Im Auftrag von Lyn Meyer > Gesendet: Samstag, 21. Januar 2006 17:12 > An: qxci-english > Betreff: Infrared Sauna > > > Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for > detoxification of the body > > Are their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficial > > Thanks > > > > > > > > ............................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 no, I meant vatta. I'm pitta with loads of vatta. is Rotella--- In qxci-english , " Dr. Horst Poehlmann " <kahopoe@...> wrote: > > > You surely mean " unless they have a lot of Kapha " . Properties of Pitta are: > hot and slightly oily. Vata is cold (from the AIR element and AKASHa) and > dry, Kapha is cold (from the WATER element) and oily. > > Karl > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: qxci-english > [mailto:qxci-english ]Im Auftrag von jadespring2003 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2006 18:18 > An: qxci-english > Betreff: Re: Infrared Sauna > > > I know you asked someone else, but dry heat is going to aggrivate a > Pitta. Pittas are mostly dry unless they have a lot of Vatta. Heat > is heat. is Rotella, M.Ac. > > > > Is it just the nature of the heat you are referring to Karl that > causes issues with the Pitta constitution?.....because the FIR is dry > heat. > > Charlize > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Kathy are there any woods that they use in the infrared sauna better than another?Does it make a difference in detoxification process? thank you Re: Infrared Sauna As far as I know the far infrared sauna is safe even for cardiac patients (which other saunas are not). The only contraindication would be during pregnancy and lactation because you wouldn't want to be liberating stored toxins into the mother's bloodstream at such times. Books by Dr Sherry (Detoxify or Die/The Bloodpressure Hoax) have much information on FIR saunas - she recommends the one by Hightech Health in US (NY I believe). As with all detoxification its important to be well supported and to start slowly and work up the temperature scale and sauna time gradually. Hope this helps. CharlizeLyn Meyer <lmeyer@...> wrote: Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for detoxification of the bodyAre their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficialThanks What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 I'm afraid I do not know of the wood issue (if there is one I'd be checking allergies here first) the one I've been in is nicknamed the egg and it uses no wood or coal it is different than a wet heat sauna and uses electricity to run so you're head is out when the body is worked on and I think that is one of the reasons I do not have problems with it. As to the detoxification process, I still would get over heated in a traditional wet sauna and pass out, but not on these and they work well. Yours in Health, Kathy Re: Infrared Sauna As far as I know the far infrared sauna is safe even for cardiac patients (which other saunas are not). The only contraindication would be during pregnancy and lactation because you wouldn't want to be liberating stored toxins into the mother's bloodstream at such times. Books by Dr Sherry (Detoxify or Die/The Bloodpressure Hoax) have much information on FIR saunas - she recommends the one by Hightech Health in US (NY I believe). As with all detoxification its important to be well supported and to start slowly and work up the temperature scale and sauna time gradually. Hope this helps. CharlizeLyn Meyer <lmeyer@...> wrote: Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for detoxification of the bodyAre their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficialThanks What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Poplar or Spruce wood is preferable to Cedar wood. This is info from the brochure of the FIR sauna I use - "Hypoallergenic Russian spruce timber: The Detox Box™ has been expertly crafted from untreated Russian spruce timber to allow for a toxin free environment, comfortable for even the most chemically sensitive person. ...... Spruce timber is strongly recommended for far infrared saunas intended for clinical use or home use especially where individuals suffer from allergies, multiple chemical sensitivities or patients are addressing health problems related to chemical or heavy metal toxicity. Cedar (and redwood) have traditionally been associated with saunas. However, cedar has been deliberately excluded from The Detox Box™ due to its ability to outgas a volatile oil called cedrene, a member of the terpine family and cedral, which is a cedar-camphor. Terpines are a group of unsaturated, aliphatic cyclic hydrocarbons, which unlike petroleum distillates, are derived from plants. They are all local irritants. Ingestion has produced gastrointestinal signs and symptoms, aspiration and pulmonary toxicity; absorption has been associated with alteration in mental status ranging from coma to seizures. Although minor, these xenobiotics will nevertheless contribute to the "total toxic burden" of the sauna user. Basswood is also used in some sauna models. According to the Ohio Public Information Network, Basswood is light and soft, and is well suited for working. Although rather weak, it has been used for cheap furniture, containers, beekeeping supplies and various woodenware." Azizah kathy wrote: I'm afraid I do not know of the wood issue (if there is one I'd be checking allergies here first) the one I've been in is nicknamed the egg and it uses no wood or coal it is different than a wet heat sauna and uses electricity to run so you're head is out when the body is worked on and I think that is one of the reasons I do not have problems with it. As to the detoxification process, I still would get over heated in a traditional wet sauna and pass out, but not on these and they work well. Yours in Health, Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: qxci-english Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Infrared Sauna Kathy are there any woods that they use in the infrared sauna better than another?Does it make a difference in detoxification process? thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy To: qxci-english Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Infrared Sauna Good news on this issue, when you work to rebalance the triple burner or deal with items like burns (2nd or 3rd degree or heat stroke) which can cause a problem with future heat stroke these people often begin to sweat (almost like they were re-programed) so that they are able to finally detox through the skin. Don't forget to also work in Short Sarcode RX on the skin to help with this 3rd kidney issue (as the skin is known), and help with the detox process. Yours in Health, Kathy Pat Atwood <PatwoodND@...> wrote: Also, women w/hormonal issues where the triple burner is off........they may not be able to stand the high temperatures of the infrared sauna........... I personally have one and have noticed tremendous benefits for detoxification on those able to handle the high temperatures. Pat Atwood N.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlize Grace To: qxci-english Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Infrared Sauna As far as I know the far infrared sauna is safe even for cardiac patients (which other saunas are not). The only contraindication would be during pregnancy and lactation because you wouldn't want to be liberating stored toxins into the mother's bloodstream at such times. Books by Dr Sherry (Detoxify or Die/The Bloodpressure Hoax) have much information on FIR saunas - she recommends the one by Hightech Health in US (NY I believe). As with all detoxification its important to be well supported and to start slowly and work up the temperature scale and sauna time gradually. Hope this helps. Charlize Lyn Meyer <lmeyer@...> wrote: Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for detoxification of the body Are their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficial Thanks What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 14/04/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Can't remember what drug you're taking, but hope it isn't Plavix. AW: Infrared Sauna I agree, Plavix does not only sound like rat poison, it IS rat poison. One of the latest studies published in the American Journal of Cardiologists shows quite clearly that this type of medication is completely useless. Those poisons are only called blood thinners by "doctors" who missed their basic scinece lectures. They do not thin the blood (meaning changing the viscosity) but only reduce blood clotting. If you take a little bit too much you will bleed to death internally. And this all for no benefit at all. Aspirin also belongs to this group. Karl -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: qxci-english [mailto:qxci-english ]Im Auftrag von william shepherdGesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 02:47An: qxci-english Betreff: Re: Infrared Sauna anyone on blood thinners, like Plavix, etvc. shouild beware of that and other heat treatments that will dilate the vessels and thin the blood. Heart patients and the like should definitely consult their physician who has put them on this stuff, it acts somewhat like rat poison, inhibits clotting and other things.Lyn Meyer <lmeyer@...> wrote: Does anyone know any contraindications to the infrared sauna therapy for detoxification of the bodyAre their any conditions in which it may be harmful rather than beneficialThanks Bring words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 > > Hi Bee > I noticed you said you did the hubbard purification sauna treatment which involved you spending hours in the sauna each day > > With an infrared sauna would it be ok to use it for 1 hour everyday day and stick to the current diet you reccomend and supplements? > > Or would i have to increase potassium or sodium or any other supplements etc to compensate for all the extra sweating? > > many thanks for all your responses and help +++Hi . The Hubbard Purification Saunas are not infrared radiation. They use heated stones. I don't know if infrared radiation is a problem, and I don't have time to look it up. If you only spend 1 hour a day in the sauna I don't think you'll have problems with balancing potassium or sodium. Just ensure you are getting at least 1 1/2 teaspoons of ocean sea salt per day as recommended on my candida program. You won't require any supplements other than those I recommend. Of course making your body sweat more will bring out more toxins, which will cause more die-off/detoxifying symptoms. Using any method to increase sweating isn't necessary, since it still takes 1 month of natural healing for every year you've been unhealthy. " Proper nutrients " are what heals your body the most! Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 My doctor also recommended one, but I haven't done that. I've been on the core protocol about one month and really think it is helping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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