Re: Gastrointestinal Upset from only one Capsule -- Help, please.

[Guest guest]

I had tried Cat's Claw and couldn't stomach it (no pun intended). Same thing

with Resv. Both gave me ab pain, cramps and diarrhea. I chalked it up to a GI

herx. My symptoms always included the GI tract and gluten intolerance developed

as well. I have tried other alternative treatments that also caused the cramps

and diarrhea; I never tried the CC or Resv again although I still have them

staring at me in my cabinet.

By the way, someone mentioned blood in the urine. I can't recall which

supplement causes darkening of the urine so it's hard to advise what was

actually in the urine.

deb

>

> Hi everyone,

> I started taking Japanese Knotweed and Cat's Claw five days ago and even

though I am only take one pill each every day, I am having gastrointestinal pain

(a sort of pressure on my sternum to be precise).

>

> Today I had diarrhea for the first time from the herbs. Buhner's book says

that if you have diarrhea from Cat's Claw for more than three days you should

discontinue the herb.

>

> My plan was that if I have diarrhea for more than three days, I'll stop the

Cat's Claw, keep with the Knotweed and if the diarrhea persists, I guess I'll

have to discontinue both... I've considered taking digestive enzymes to see if

that helps, but I don't know if they're contraindicated.

>

> What do you guys think?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I would drop the Knotweed and just take the Cat's Claw one pill a day and see

what happens. I have a lot more trouble with Knotweed than I do from Cat's Claw.

Then if the Cat's Claw is ok for you, I'd slowly increase the dose and just stay

on that for a while.

Good Luck,

Connie Blaze

[ ] Gastrointestinal Upset from only one Capsule -- Help,

please.

Hi everyone,

I started taking Japanese Knotweed and Cat's Claw five days ago and even though

I am only take one pill each every day, I am having gastrointestinal pain (a

sort of pressure on my sternum to be precise).

Today I had diarrhea for the first time from the herbs. Buhner's book says that

if you have diarrhea from Cat's Claw for more than three days you should

discontinue the herb.

My plan was that if I have diarrhea for more than three days, I'll stop the

Cat's Claw, keep with the Knotweed and if the diarrhea persists, I guess I'll

have to discontinue both... I've considered taking digestive enzymes to see if

that helps, but I don't know if they're contraindicated.

What do you guys think?

[Guest guest]

My B12 injections cause my blood to either turn orange or red. That's all I got

I tried Chlorophyll & it did the same thing to my gut. Sharp pains all over the

place.

-Sonya

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

[ ] Re: Gastrointestinal Upset from only one Capsule --

Help, please.

I had tried Cat's Claw and couldn't stomach it (no pun intended). Same thing

with Resv. Both gave me ab pain, cramps and diarrhea. I chalked it up to a GI

herx. My symptoms always included the GI tract and gluten intolerance developed

as well. I have tried other alternative treatments that also caused the cramps

and diarrhea; I never tried the CC or Resv again although I still have them

staring at me in my cabinet.

By the way, someone mentioned blood in the urine. I can't recall which

supplement causes darkening of the urine so it's hard to advise what was

actually in the urine.

deb

>

> Hi everyone,

> I started taking Japanese Knotweed and Cat's Claw five days ago and even

though I am only take one pill each every day, I am having gastrointestinal pain

(a sort of pressure on my sternum to be precise).

>

> Today I had diarrhea for the first time from the herbs. Buhner's book says

that if you have diarrhea from Cat's Claw for more than three days you should

discontinue the herb.

>

> My plan was that if I have diarrhea for more than three days, I'll stop the

Cat's Claw, keep with the Knotweed and if the diarrhea persists, I guess I'll

have to discontinue both... I've considered taking digestive enzymes to see if

that helps, but I don't know if they're contraindicated.

>

> What do you guys think?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, according to my daughter's LLMD enzymes are not contraindicated, by the

contrary, he prescribed them together with probiotics right from the start

of the Buhner's protocol. Good luck.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:39 AM, jap.hastings <jap.hastings@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi everyone,

> I started taking Japanese Knotweed and Cat's Claw five days ago and even

> though I am only take one pill each every day, I am having gastrointestinal

> pain (a sort of pressure on my sternum to be precise).

>

> Today I had diarrhea for the first time from the herbs. Buhner's book says

> that if you have diarrhea from Cat's Claw for more than three days you

> should discontinue the herb.

>

> My plan was that if I have diarrhea for more than three days, I'll stop the

> Cat's Claw, keep with the Knotweed and if the diarrhea persists, I guess

> I'll have to discontinue both... I've considered taking digestive enzymes to

> see if that helps, but I don't know if they're contraindicated.

>

> What do you guys think?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Slightly off topic but this touches on an alternative reservatol thought.

The discovery of Reservatol in red wine years ago made the world envious of the

positive health effects the French rec'd from their daily glass.

The reservatol being released with mild fermentation from the grape skin.

I chose to add fresh reservatol to my diet by making a home made mild

fermentation each week utilizing stalks of fresh reservatol, wild blueberries,

red grapes and other bits. Each day I mix 1/2 glass with a fresh juice.

(I now freeze enough pieces for the year each spring of fresh 6 - 9 " stalks.)

Ends up very low in alcohol - perhaps 1 - 2 %

All things lightly fermented digest much easier - might be a way for others who

find the capsules to strong to start out?

I wonder if this idea would add the positive action of the herb in a slower more

easily digested way?

This fall when the roots are stronger I plant to make a " root beer " tonic which

will include the reservatol also.

Root beer was originally a tonic.

My beginning thoughts are to utilize burdock - reservatol - sarsparilla -

dandelion - perhaps even teasal with some other roots as a winter tonic for my

blood/lyme/body. It will be interesting to see how the recipes will evolve.

Recently I was just diagnosed with a Thrombophilia blood test which showed I

have two genes of the factor V Leiden mutation from my parents which evolved

into my learning about . It added another piece to my own personal puzzle.

I now know why I have the crazy markings of both of my fore-arms plus now I can

do something positive about it on a constant basis. I knew about sticky blood

and not being well going hand in hand but this is much more than that.

With these two genes the risk of developing a clot in a blood vessel depends on

whether a person inherits one or two copies of the factor V Leiden mutation.

Inheriting one copy of the mutation increases by fourfold to eightfold the

chance of developing a clot.

People who inherit two copies of the mutation, one from each parent, may have up

to 80 times the usual risk of developing this type of blood clot.

Considering that the risk of developing an abnormal blood clot averages about 1

in 1,000 people per year in the general population, the presence of one copy of

the factor V Leiden mutation increases that risk to 4 to 8 in 1,000, and having

two copies of the mutation may raise the risk as high as 80 in 1,000.

After research and gaining new to me knowledge I have added and changed some

factors of my diet. It is always better to be informed; which the internet makes

easily possible. I am lucky we are now able to diagnose this problem - in

hindsight I see so many place where my Mom's poor health possibly was from this

and the not knowing. We are so much more fortunate that we now know about and

can test for such things..

I am a chronic lyme person having been bitten over 30 years ago - a chemical

accident at work took down my immune system which allowed the dormant bacteria

to take hold; I however blamed all my symptoms on the chemicals at the time and

was not diagnosed with Lyme till just several years ago. I am fortunate that

many of the detoxing factors for chemicals, plus the support for my body with

various supplements utilized to help rid my body of chemicals and aid

nutritional absorbtion proved to be similar for Lyme. Even the

Serrapeptase/Buluoke I use for my veins proved eventually to be also good for

bio-film - go figure.

I chose to read a great deal about Lyme at the start and eventually put together

my own healing circle with both tradition and non-traditional methods.

All of which I instinctively felt would world best for me.

Thus I utilize all sorts of things from various protocols and make a great

number of my own tinctures, herb mixes etc.

I have within my network a brother of my father who is a master herbalist and he

was the person who put me onto the fermented knotweed idea - he was utilizing it

already as a plus to his diet with grape and blueberry and I introduced him to

the reservatol knotweed addition as it is so much stronger.

My uncle works with most of the " known " herbs where I utilize many plants from

my wild foraging plus my domestic herb collection for my own herbal mixes .

It is a wonderful melding of knowledge each time we meet. I am so very

fortunate.

I try to find answers for my health problems with items which grow close as

possible to home. CertainIy have learnt a great deal more about blood in the

past few weeks. Trying to utilize them in many different ways to improve my

world.

I am feeling so much better than I was when I was first diagnosed - somethings

must be working.

I also wish to thank everyone on this list for the many tidbits I have gleaned

and utilized from theses discussions. Dr. Buhner's book has been one of my

mainstays. Up here in Canada many of our doctors still have their heads in the

sand thinking Lyme does not exist up here and those who do feel just a week or

so of antibiotic is the answer.

I am fortunate to have one of the few doctor's who is on the ball and so very

supportive.

Life is Good.

Bright Blessings

Sharon

[Guest guest]

I also find that the Knotweed causes incredibly mobile bowels. I have now

pulled back to 1 tablet only 2x per day and it's still notable (not complaining

-- better to cleanse the opposite). The Cat's Claw had no effect on my digestive

system. So, like someone before me wrote, I might try cutting back on the

Knotweed first and seeing how you do.

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I started taking Japanese Knotweed and Cat's Claw five days ago and even

though I am only take one pill each every day, I am having gastrointestinal pain

(a sort of pressure on my sternum to be precise).

> >

> > Today I had diarrhea for the first time from the herbs. Buhner's book says

that if you have diarrhea from Cat's Claw for more than three days you should

discontinue the herb.

> >

> > My plan was that if I have diarrhea for more than three days, I'll stop the

Cat's Claw, keep with the Knotweed and if the diarrhea persists, I guess I'll

have to discontinue both... I've considered taking digestive enzymes to see if

that helps, but I don't know if they're contraindicated.

> >

> > What do you guys think?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>I knew about sticky blood and not being well going hand in hand but this is

much more than that.

just wondering: did you ever view your blood under a microscope to check if it

is 'sticky'? This seems to occur relavitely often with Lyme patients, I'm

wondering if it is 'cause' or 'effect'.

> I am a chronic lyme person having been bitten over 30 years ago - a chemical

accident at work took down my immune system which allowed the dormant bacteria

to take hold; I however blamed all my symptoms on the chemicals at the time and

was not diagnosed with Lyme till just several years ago.

Interesting - I think Lyme (like many so called 'auto-immune' diseases) is a

combination of damaged/disturbed immune system (from chemicals, wrong food,

vaccination, radiation etc.) plus a trigger (e.g. de Bb bug).

In my case there is also a chemical accident from 30 years ago (severe nerve gas

exposure during riots) that damaged my skin and immune system. This problem was

never treated, mostly because authorities at the time denied it could do any

harm. I slowly recovered over many years.

After I was bitten by a tick the problems (mostly with skin / connective tissue)

have come back. My current homeopathic doc thinks that my symptoms are mostly

the result of the chemical exposure and not of the Borrelia (which is probably

still present, despite 1 year of ABX and 1.5 years of Buhner).

> I chose to read a great deal about Lyme at the start and eventually put

together my own healing circle with both tradition and non-traditional methods.

keep us informed, you seem to have a lot of experience with alternative

treatment options.

> Up here in Canada many of our doctors still have their heads in the sand

thinking Lyme does not exist up here and those who do feel just a week or so of

antibiotic is the answer.

it is like that almost everywhere in the 'developed' world, thanks to the IDSA

evangelists.

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

I am a fermentation enthusiast since discovering the benefits of lacto-fermented

veggies. At one time, I couldn't tolerate dairy or vinegar (it was a corn

allergy but I didn't know that) so fermented veggies solved two problems: the

need for natural probiotics and craving for pickles. Now I always have about 12

different mason jars of ferments in my fridge at all times and am always trying

new ones. Your post is of particular interest since I have been busily

fermenting things like ginger root, garlic, onions to increase their healing

potential. I use the fermented garlic juice in a mouth rinse for Lyme-related

tooth and jaw pain (it works like magic!) and hope to start including the ginger

in my everyday routine. I saw fresh turmeric roots at the food co-op so I hope

to ferment some of that soon. For the time being, I try to add as much garlic,

ginger, onions, herbs and spices into our diet as possible. My two teenagers and

I are allergic to corn and soy so we cook everything from scratch from corn-free

ingredients which has improved our health dramatically. I believe that fermented

veggies and traditional foods have helped us reach a point that we can now

tolerate the Buhner protocol. It took over a year to recover from the doctor's

attempts to heal us using antibiotics (with corn derivatives - we didn't know

anything about corn allergy and avoidance at the time).

Your idea to ferment knotweed is ingenious. I am ordering cut and sift herbs so

that I can make decoctions (corn is used as a processing aid for most gelatin

capsules). I will be doing some research about the best way to add some of these

healing herbs into my ferments. I am so excited about this project!

For your " root beer " , have you considered water kefir grains?

Kristy

>

> I chose to add fresh reservatol to my diet by making a home made mild

fermentation each week utilizing stalks of fresh reservatol, wild blueberries,

red grapes and other bits. Each day I mix 1/2 glass with a fresh juice.

> (I now freeze enough pieces for the year each spring of fresh 6 - 9 " stalks.)

> Ends up very low in alcohol - perhaps 1 - 2 %

>

> All things lightly fermented digest much easier - might be a way for others

who find the capsules to strong to start out?

> I wonder if this idea would add the positive action of the herb in a slower

more easily digested way?

>

> This fall when the roots are stronger I plant to make a " root beer " tonic

which will include the reservatol also.

> Root beer was originally a tonic.

> My beginning thoughts are to utilize burdock - reservatol - sarsparilla -

dandelion - perhaps even teasal with some other roots as a winter tonic for my

blood/lyme/body. It will be interesting to see how the recipes will evolve.

>

> Recently I was just diagnosed with a Thrombophilia blood test which showed I

have two genes of the factor V Leiden mutation from my parents which evolved

into my learning about . It added another piece to my own personal puzzle.

I now know why I have the crazy markings of both of my fore-arms plus now I can

do something positive about it on a constant basis. I knew about sticky blood

and not being well going hand in hand but this is much more than that.

> With these two genes the risk of developing a clot in a blood vessel depends

on whether a person inherits one or two copies of the factor V Leiden mutation.

Inheriting one copy of the mutation increases by fourfold to eightfold the

chance of developing a clot.

> People who inherit two copies of the mutation, one from each parent, may have

up to 80 times the usual risk of developing this type of blood clot.

> Considering that the risk of developing an abnormal blood clot averages about

1 in 1,000 people per year in the general population, the presence of one copy

of the factor V Leiden mutation increases that risk to 4 to 8 in 1,000, and

having two copies of the mutation may raise the risk as high as 80 in 1,000.

>

> After research and gaining new to me knowledge I have added and changed some

factors of my diet. It is always better to be informed; which the internet makes

easily possible. I am lucky we are now able to diagnose this problem - in

hindsight I see so many place where my Mom's poor health possibly was from this

and the not knowing. We are so much more fortunate that we now know about and

can test for such things..

[Guest guest]

Try eating plain yogurt or/and buying and taking large amounts of live

acidofpholis (spelling) pills.

lymeover and out

From: Sonya Putnam <sonyafly@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Gastrointestinal Upset from only one Capsule

-- Help, please.

Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 9:29 AM

My B12 injections cause my blood to either turn orange or red. That's all I got

I tried Chlorophyll & it did the same thing to my gut. Sharp pains all over the

place.

-Sonya

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

[ ] Re: Gastrointestinal Upset from only one Capsule --

Help, please.

I had tried Cat's Claw and couldn't stomach it (no pun intended).  Same thing

with Resv.  Both gave me ab pain, cramps and diarrhea.  I chalked it up to a GI

herx.  My symptoms always included the GI tract and gluten intolerance developed

as well.  I have tried other alternative treatments that also caused the cramps

and diarrhea; I never tried the CC or Resv again although I still have them

staring at me in my cabinet.

By the way, someone mentioned blood in the urine.  I can't recall which

supplement causes darkening of the urine so it's hard to advise what was

actually in the urine.

deb

>

> Hi everyone,

>     I started taking Japanese Knotweed and Cat's Claw five days ago and even

though I am only take one pill each every day, I am having gastrointestinal pain

(a sort of pressure on my sternum to be precise).

>

> Today I had diarrhea for the first time from the herbs. Buhner's book says

that if you have diarrhea from Cat's Claw for more than three days you should

discontinue the herb.

>

> My plan was that if I have diarrhea for more than three days, I'll stop the

Cat's Claw, keep with the Knotweed and if the diarrhea persists, I guess I'll

have to discontinue both... I've considered taking digestive enzymes to see if

that helps, but I don't know if they're contraindicated.

>

> What do you guys think?

>

[Guest guest]

Posted by: " knot_weed "

Thank you for your response.

> just wondering: did you ever view your blood under a microscope to check if it

>is 'sticky'? This seems to occur relavitely often with Lyme

> patients, I'm wondering if it is 'cause' or 'effect'.

No not yet but I plan to do this at my Naturalpath's office soon before I start

with too many things which will ruin getting a good base line.

I do however have a video of my blood from about 13 years ago which I plan to

take with me to see the differences.

No sticky blood at that time was mentioned but I didn't know I was sick from

anything but chemical problems back then.

- Having just recently discovered that my genes have the two mutant genes which

bring on " " disease

( good site here - http://www.hughes-syndrome.org/symptoms.htm )

I think the sticky blood is part and parcel. Lately (last year) I have had to

give blood as it doesn't flow?? well sitting up.

I also have the arm rash which is shown on the above site plus other symptoms.

I did however read an excellent paper years ago on Sticky blood and it's

association with illness as one ages - looked for it but couldn't find it to

share ;-9 - way too much unorganized info in my files aaargh!

> Interesting - I think Lyme (like many so called 'auto-immune' diseases) is a

>combination of damaged/disturbed immune system (from

> chemicals, wrong food, vaccination, radiation etc.) plus a trigger (e.g. de Bb

>bug).

I do so agree with your thoughts - one of the items I am just starting to

utilize from our forest is USNEA. I am hoping it will help my immune heal

faster?? Time will tell.

http://www.herbalremediesinfo.com/usnea.html

After much reading my uncle (also a herbalist) and I are both trying to see what

it helps with and will share our findings later this year. In our area it grows

on spruce and Tamarack trees - it also likes areas with clean air - which we

have but he does not so I have to gather for him also as he is south of us in a

smoggy area.

I have made the tincture and plan to start it in a few weeks.

> In my case there is also a chemical accident from 30 years ago (severe nerve

>gas exposure during riots) that damaged my skin and immune > system. This

>problem was never treated, mostly because authorities at the time denied it

>could do any harm. I slowly recovered over many

> years.

I too was told in the beginning that after my accident it was all in my head ;-0

It was only 10 years ago I finally got onto the waiting list of one of Canada's

rare enviromental doctors - after a 3 year wait I have been a patient ever

since.

As I react to almost all petro-chemical/organo phosphate products to some degree

I still can get bad exposures which set me on my back for weeks and I do major

detox to regain ground. This together with Lyme and company has been a trial -

but at least now I feel I am winning ;-)

> After I was bitten by a tick the problems (mostly with skin / connective

>tissue) have come back. My current homeopathic doc thinks that my > symptoms

are

>mostly the result of the chemical exposure and not of the Borrelia (which is

>probably still present, despite 1 year of ABX and

> 1.5 years of Buhner).

I use herbs from many protoccols and try to utilize those which are growing

close to my area when possible that I collect myself. I believe in living food

where possible so my diet has evolved drastically though I still can be led

astray with a good hamburger..

My uncle has taught me to graze as I walk daily ie: - a bit of milk thistle leaf

- a new echinacea - a fresh asparagus lol you get my drift.

> keep us informed, you seem to have a lot of experience with alternative

>treatment options.

After I got dealing with Lyme and co. I was surprised to find the herbs for the

detox for the chemicals was similar so I have few changes to make.

I do some heavy metal chelation with a suppository in the winter along with my

INFAR sauna other parts of my circle are - NAET - and RIFE with coil and

meditation. I take breaks from everything at times to regain my base line to

judge where I have progressed.

It gives me a chance to go over my regeime and tweak bits or add in a new idea -

or deal with a new symptom that the health lottery seems to think I need to win

whether I wise it or not - groan- ie: the - BUt at least this last one is

easily dealt with in a herbal vitamin way starting with folinic and folic acid -

plus some other B vit and herbs.

> it is like that almost everywhere in the 'developed' world, thanks to the IDSA

>evangelists.

Am just reading the ONLY Canadian book on Lyme at the moment - it is so sad.

Bright Blessings

Sharon

Humanity cannot live without nature, but nature can live without humanity

The highest form of ignorance

is to reject something

you know nothing about...

Apsley Acers- Web Site

Apsley Acers- Blog

[Guest guest]

Hi Kirsty - Thank you for your reply!

You would so enjoy visiting my Uncle he is running so many experiments with

fermentation it is mind boggling even to me. He is an organic chemist so I pick

his brains all the time. He has just turned 80 he is a fount of information - I

keep telling him to write a book! so I'll have all the bits I don't ask about

now but may need later.

My

hubby and I grow 75% of our vegies organically plus I have a super insulated

growing room which will stay good until we hit -20 deg.C

then I have to add some heat - we are quite chilly up here in the winter at

times. I do however manage to grow quite a wide variety of organic edibles

hydroponically all winter such as sprouts - salad bits and greens - so it is a

wonderful room to have use of.

Natural probiotics make such a difference to one's system and once you get the

hang of it so easy!

One of the items we change

(my uncle and I) we add tumeric to our home grown honey (makes it quite yellow

but doesn't change the flavor much) so we get a bit every day.

I just picked up a wonderful book for a $1 at a book sale and am enjoying

getting to know it: Dr. R. 's School of Natural Healing. I wish

I could just afford to go somewhere to clinic and have someone prepare all the

cleanse diet bits he talks about for me so all I had to do was take the darn

stuff and do the detox without having to think family/housework etc etc. just

getting lazy in my old age methinks.

> have about 12 different mason jars of ferments in my fridge at all times and

am

>always trying new ones.

> I believe that fermented veggies and traditional foods have helped us reach a

>point that we can now tolerate the Buhner protocol.

He has many ideas about basic herbs and spices - some of which are new to me so

the learning process goes on. He is cloning a maple tree which had a

significantly higher sugar content than all the others - he freezes maple sap

and utilizes it as the water in his fermentation.

We also make some sap but like Ross says using the raw product is better - but I

still like my buckwheat pancakes and syrup once in awhile ;-) so do all the

grandkids when they visit.

> I am a fermentation enthusiast since discovering the benefits of

>lacto-fermented veggies. At one time, I couldn't tolerate dairy or vinegar (it

>was

> a corn allergy but I didn't know that) so fermented veggies solved two

>problems: the need for natural probiotics and craving for pickles.

It has always amazed me that things we cannot eat raw - fermented digests well

Since most corn is GMO it is no wonder it is hard on your digestion.

They are putting the darn stuff into everything these days.

No all time to they say so - one has to become such a sleuth.

I purchase organic corn locally and organic flour at our health food store.

My doctor tested for about a 100 foods known to cause allergies when I first

went to her - I find with doing a 4 day rotation diet I can now eat almost

everything.

- my " plant " to learn as much as possible about for this month is Burdock it is

an interesting food source - I so enjoy getting

to know each of my foraged wild edibles more intimately - there is always

something new they are hiding it seems.

> Your idea to ferment knotweed is ingenious. I am ordering cut and sift herbs

so

>that I can make decoctions - I will be doing some research about the best way

>to add some of these healing herbs into my ferments. I am so excited about this

>project!

Thank you - as far as my uncle is concerned his main diet is fermented plus raw

grazing these days - mind you his daughter serves him cooked food just cause she

thinks he needs some once in awhile. Right now I drink 1/2 cup of knotweed -

mixed with either rhubarb juice or lemon juice a day total of about 8 oz.

I use kefir water often and also use my prill water - we are fortunate to have a

well with delicious pure water but it is a tad acidic so I use the prill beads

to alkanize it.

For your " root beer " , have you considered water kefir grains?

That is a good suggestion - I will try some with kefir water and some with the

prill water and some with a mixture of both be interesting to see if there is a

visible or taste difference.

I hope you are having a good day.

Sharon

Humanity cannot live without nature, but nature can live without humanity

The highest form of ignorance

is to reject something

you know nothing about...

Apsley Acers- Web Site

Apsley Acers- Blog

[Guest guest]

I wanted to add one update to my reply to your post -- I stopped the herbs for a

few days and then started again (just Japanese Knotweed) and am now up to 1 pill

3x/day and having no upset. (Big improvement). I think it may just take a

while to get one's system used to the herbs. There's a lot of great ideas in

this chain to help adjust to the herbs, but perhaps trying one pill every other

day just to get used to them might help too.

>

> Hi everyone,

> I started taking Japanese Knotweed and Cat's Claw five days ago and even

though I am only take one pill each every day, I am having gastrointestinal pain

(a sort of pressure on my sternum to be precise).

>

> Today I had diarrhea for the first time from the herbs. Buhner's book says

that if you have diarrhea from Cat's Claw for more than three days you should

discontinue the herb.

>

> My plan was that if I have diarrhea for more than three days, I'll stop the

Cat's Claw, keep with the Knotweed and if the diarrhea persists, I guess I'll

have to discontinue both... I've considered taking digestive enzymes to see if

that helps, but I don't know if they're contraindicated.

>

> What do you guys think?

>