Re: andrographis - response

[Guest guest]

I've heard quite a few people say that andrographis gave them head to toe

hives/rashes and it took up to a month to go away. Maybe that's why it

was removed.

I am going to start the buhner herbs, adding andrographis last, do people

start the protocol taking all the herbs together and slowly building up,

or do people take one for a few days, then add another, etc?

From:

" aluta_gaia " <wissers3@...>

To:

Date:

06/11/2010 08:17 AM

Subject:

[ ] Re: andrographis

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Andrographis is so important, in my opinion, because it helps with things

other than Lyme and the commonly-known coinfections, especially filarial

worms, probably why many people have problems with the andrographis at

first. Without getting rid of that stuff (if you have it), you don't fully

get well, even when Lyme, babesia, bartonella, and ehrlichiosis have been

dealt with.

>

> They are actually the same, although I found it very confusing on first

> reading. Then I checked the label on the bottle of Source Naturals 40

mg.

> The fine print that 2 tablets contain " Polygonum cuspidatum 1 g

Standardized

> to 8% Total Resveratrols Yielding: Total Resveratrols 80 mg. " Since it's

for

> 2 tablets, divide 1 gram in half and you will get 500 mg.

>

>

>

> Personally I think that this " new " protocol is much ado about nothing.

It's

> still the basic Lyme protocol that emphasizes Resveratrol from Japanese

> knotweed, plus Cat's Claw, and only for acute cases, Astralagus. The

> eleutherococcus was previously a recommendation, and now it seems to be

part

> of the core. The only things I'm puzzled about is why Andrographis and

> Sarsparilla were not mentioned in the Public Health article and why

Cat's

> Claw is not suggested for a full year. In any case, I'm not about to

stop

> taking any of these. Buhner's book explains why they are good.

>

>

>

> Did Buhner oficially revise the protocol, or is this just the

interpretation

> of the author of the article?

>

>

>

> Madeleine

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dun

> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 6:33 AM

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: resveratrol

>

>

>

>

>

> am getting a bit confused. I always took the Source Naturals 40 mg or 80

> for 2 tablets but now I see the Public Health site and Planet Thrive and

> it says

> > *Japanese Knotweed* (Source Naturals Resveratrol with 500mg /Polygonum

> > cuspidatum/ per tablet) - 1-4 tablets 3-4x daily for 8-12 months

> > (Resveratrol)

> So which is what? And is the 1st Chinese herbs brands? Anyone have any

> experiences with it? Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi...

I've started the protocol one herb at a time.

Added the andrographis last.

Have been doing everything v e r y slowly due to being so sensitive.

This is what I would recommend.

Ease and peace,

yarrow

> >

> > They are actually the same, although I found it very confusing on first

> > reading. Then I checked the label on the bottle of Source Naturals 40

> mg.

> > The fine print that 2 tablets contain " Polygonum cuspidatum 1 g

> Standardized

> > to 8% Total Resveratrols Yielding: Total Resveratrols 80 mg. " Since it's

> for

> > 2 tablets, divide 1 gram in half and you will get 500 mg.

> >

> >

> >

> > Personally I think that this " new " protocol is much ado about nothing.

> It's

> > still the basic Lyme protocol that emphasizes Resveratrol from Japanese

> > knotweed, plus Cat's Claw, and only for acute cases, Astralagus. The

> > eleutherococcus was previously a recommendation, and now it seems to be

> part

> > of the core. The only things I'm puzzled about is why Andrographis and

> > Sarsparilla were not mentioned in the Public Health article and why

> Cat's

> > Claw is not suggested for a full year. In any case, I'm not about to

> stop

> > taking any of these. Buhner's book explains why they are good.

> >

> >

> >

> > Did Buhner oficially revise the protocol, or is this just the

> interpretation

> > of the author of the article?

> >

> >

> >

> > Madeleine

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dun

> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 6:33 AM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Re: resveratrol

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > am getting a bit confused. I always took the Source Naturals 40 mg or 80

>

> > for 2 tablets but now I see the Public Health site and Planet Thrive and

>

> > it says

> > > *Japanese Knotweed* (Source Naturals Resveratrol with 500mg /Polygonum

>

> > > cuspidatum/ per tablet) - 1-4 tablets 3-4x daily for 8-12 months

> > > (Resveratrol)

> > So which is what? And is the 1st Chinese herbs brands? Anyone have any

> > experiences with it? Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Do you have the book? It has suggestions about how to start in there. IMO, you

def. want to go one at a time. That way you can see what's happening, and if

you DO get hives, you know what it was from. Also need to be aware of

contraindications and such - just b/c they are herbs, doesn't mean they aren't

medications

I am going to start the buhner herbs, adding andrographis last, do people

start the protocol taking all the herbs together and slowly building up,

or do people take one for a few days, then add another, etc?

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[Guest guest]

>

> I've heard quite a few people say that andrographis gave them head to toe

> hives/rashes and it took up to a month to go away. Maybe that's why it

> was removed.

yes, I think the possibility of severe (although not dangerous) allergic

reaction was a reason to move it down the list. Buhner says only about 1% of

users get this allergic reaction though.

> I am going to start the buhner herbs, adding andrographis last, do people

> start the protocol taking all the herbs together and slowly building up,

> or do people take one for a few days, then add another, etc?

I think it is best to take the last approach, and add one herb at a time. If you

run into trouble this makes it easier to pinpoint the cause.

[Guest guest]

>

> Also need to be aware of contraindications and such - just b/c they are herbs,

doesn't mean they aren't medications

good point for those who are planning to keep on 'maintenace protocol'. e.g.

some of the herbs are contra-indicated if you want to have children (for both

parents!).

[Guest guest]

I just jumped in after reading the book, taking small doses of everything at

once and then ramping up. But after reading a lot of posts here, I can see why

you wouldn't. I recommend caution, however, on rejecting an herb because it

makes you feel bad. I firmly believe that some people do have real allergies and

need to stop the herbs that aggravate them, but I found that even taking

sarsaparilla I had such bad herxes at a few points that I thought I might die. I

followed advice of people here, taking antihistamines and especially drinking

lots of water with fresh lemon juice added, and eventually the dire state

passed.

Just reread that and now want to say, don't be foolhardy, if your health is

shaky to begin with, don't take chances that could risk your life! I had a lot

of pain and had a lot of paranoia (to the point where it had threatened all my

relationships) before I did the protocol, but other than a small heart murmur I

didn't have any life-threatening conditions. If you do, you need to be way more

cautious than I was. I was desperate to get well!

Years later, I still take teasel tincture, andrographis, resveratrol and

eleuthero in very small quantities every day, and occasionally I take a few

capsules of cat's claw. I also take Devil's claw and turmeric/bromelain for my

joints, along with other supplements. I'm doing well both with my mental and

physical symptoms. Most days.

I'm very lucky! I wish everyone else the same.

Wisser

>

> I've heard quite a few people say that andrographis gave them head to toe

> hives/rashes and it took up to a month to go away. Maybe that's why it

> was removed.

>

> I am going to start the buhner herbs, adding andrographis last, do people

> start the protocol taking all the herbs together and slowly building up,

> or do people take one for a few days, then add another, etc?

>

[Guest guest]

I used andrographis for months before I got a very mild rash and decided to

stop. I reintroduced it and got the rash again so decided I had developed a

sensitivity to it. I felt intuitively that it was an important part of the

protocol for me though.

The rash was mild, only on my chest, and cheared very quickly, within a couple

of days. Buhner said in a presentation that occasionally someone will have a

rash that lasts up to a month (that may be where the month idea came from, but

that was not my experience.

jo

>

> I've heard quite a few people say that andrographis gave them head to toe

> hives/rashes and it took up to a month to go away.

[Guest guest]

I had an andrographis rash too although a took a couple of months to build up.

Eventually it was all across my chest and all down the back. Not at all itchy

but looked and felt pretty bad when I ran my hands over it. It took 4-6 weeks

of coming off it for the rash to go. I have more left so may re-introduce it

sometime in the future to try again. Maybe those of us who are sensitive can do

a pulse method i.e. 2 weeks on & 2 weeks off?

> >

> > I've heard quite a few people say that andrographis gave them head to toe

> > hives/rashes and it took up to a month to go away.

>