Re: digestive issues from protocol.....

[Guest guest]

Could it possibly be that you are in your lyme cycle? I cycle every 4-6 weeks.

By any chance are you on your menstrual cycle? Or days before or after?

I usually feel worse every 4-6 weeks or sometimes around my menstrual cycle.

-Sonya

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[ ] digestive issues from protocol.....

Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I have

abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also constipation-

which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so

weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started. The second or

third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle pain are raging.

I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis.

I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I

need to amp down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner

protocol?

Thanks for any input.

[Guest guest]

Hi. I've rarely had problems on the protocol except for about a month

when I had diarrhea in about month 8 or 9. I remember reading

somewhere that one of the ingredients could cause some reactions. I

think it was in the Healing Lyme book. Can't find the book right now,

but you may be able to look it up.

On Apr 25, 2010, at 2:08 AM, Sonya Putnam wrote:

> Could it possibly be that you are in your lyme cycle? I cycle

> every 4-6 weeks. By any chance are you on your menstrual cycle? Or

> days before or after?

>

> I usually feel worse every 4-6 weeks or sometimes around my

> menstrual cycle.

> -Sonya

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

>

> [ ] digestive issues from protocol.....

>

> Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core

> protocol? I have abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating,

> diarrhea and also constipation- which were not my normal Lyme and

> co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so weeks into the protocol

> and feeling worse than when I started. The second or third week

> into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

> today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle

> pain are raging. I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw,

> Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis. I am also taking Eleuthero,

> Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I need to amp

> down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner protocol?

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I found I couldn't even take the herbs because they brought on these same

symptoms. Two days of resveratrol created GI distress for well over a week. I

began suspecting that this is a GI herx.

Someone recently shared this article with me and it explains a lot about the GI

issues (for me at least). A long but good read.

http://www.thehumansideoflyme.net/viewarticle.php?aid=62 & PHPSESSID=0135a9baf7685\

0bc88459fea84474274

deb

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> Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I have

abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also constipation-

which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so

weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started. The second or

third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle pain are raging.

I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis.

I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I

need to amp down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner

protocol?

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sonya-

Thanks for writing back. Yes I think I am before my mense. However I have had

the intestinal upset since about the second week of the protocol when I started

ramping up. Now I just feel more tired than before I started. Maybe I am also

having a herx on top of whatever is going on- like if I am taking too much of

maybe one herb is not sitting we with me. I am curious if people herx from the

protocol-sounds like you do. I had read other's accounts of their progress and

it seemed they were feeling improvement by now.

>

> Could it possibly be that you are in your lyme cycle? I cycle every 4-6

weeks. By any chance are you on your menstrual cycle? Or days before or after?

>

> I usually feel worse every 4-6 weeks or sometimes around my menstrual cycle.

> -Sonya

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

>

> [ ] digestive issues from protocol.....

>

> Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I have

abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also constipation-

which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so

weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started. The second or

third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle pain are raging.

I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis.

I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I

need to amp down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner

protocol?

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, . After 4 weeks on the protocol, all of a sudden I started having

violent diarrhea, which lasted for 4 weeks, until I stopped taking ALL of the

herbs.

After I started adding them again, one by one, it appears that Andrographis is

the culprit. After a month of violent upset, I am as yet unwilling to try taking

it in smaller doses to see up to what dose, if any, I can tolerate it; I'm just

happy to have located the cause.

The funny part is that I had been taking 3 pills, 3 times a day as per protocol,

without any disturbance at all for 4 weeks before suddenly being hit with

diarrhea. I don't think that this is a herx reaction. It does say in the SHB

book that andrographis can cause allergic reactions & GI disturbance (PP 87, 89)

but not diarrhea, in fact, its a cure for diarrhea.

Good luck.

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> Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I have

abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also constipation-

which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so

weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started. The second or

third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle pain are raging.

I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis.

I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I

need to amp down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner

protocol?

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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I am not on the Buhner protocol. I am a member of the forum to get as much info

from it as possible so if all else fails, the Buhner protocol is the one I may

turn to. I take Bicillin injections. I just know that lyme bacteria (as well as

babesia & maybe others) have a life cycle of every 4-6 weeks & people tend to

feel sicker during a certain point in that cycle (almost like herxing for a

weeks). I hope that helps somewhat. That has been my experience as well as

many other people I have spoken to.

I have also heard of others on this forum mention having GI issues from taking

some of the herbs. Hopefully after the weekend, you may get more answers. Take

care. -Sonya

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[ ] digestive issues from protocol.....

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> Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I have

abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also constipation-

which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so

weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started. The second or

third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle pain are raging.

I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis.

I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I

need to amp down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner

protocol?

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes! I Herx a lot from them. I've been on the Buhner protocol for about a month

now, and I have noticed that it definitely increases my Lyme symptoms. I'm only

taking the 'starter' dose of the core protocol herbs. Before the protocol, my

Lyme symptoms were mild, but they ramped up. Before the protocol, I was

managing my symptoms with TCM herbs. (Trad Chinese Med). It seemed that the TCM

herbs were doing a good job of smoothing out the rough spots, but they did not

eradicate my Lyme symptoms entirely. So I decided to try the protocol.

With TCM herbs, there is no one-size-fits-all solution to every malady, and I'm

sure that's true for the Buhner protocol as well. Everyone reacts differently.

some are super-sensitive, and some are not. The course of Lyme is experienced

differently by each person it afflicts. For this reason, I don't like the term,

'protocol' -- however, the 'protocol' herbs definitely do stir things up well

for ME, and I plan to continue experimenting with them in conjunction with TCM

herbs.

If you're experiencing too much discomfort, I'd say back off on your dose!

Listen to your body, trust your instincts.

Phil

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> Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I have

abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also constipation-

which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so

weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started. The second or

third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle pain are raging.

I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis.

I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I

need to amp down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner

protocol?

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I have

abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also constipation-

which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so

weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started. The second or

third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle pain are raging.

I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis.

I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I

need to amp down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner

protocol?

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have u ever heard of metabolic typing? It claims that there isn't a one diet

fits all. Everyones biochemistry is different and needs different types of food

to support it. It really is interesting.

Amy A.

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On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:09 PM, " " <samlmp@...> wrote:

Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I have

abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also constipation-

which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am about 7 or so

weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started. The second or

third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little more clarity but

today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint, muscle pain are raging.

I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis.

I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I

need to amp down my dosage. Do other people herx from taking the Buhner

protocol?

Thanks for any input.

[Guest guest]

>

> Have u ever heard of metabolic typing? It claims that there isn't a one diet

fits all. Everyones biochemistry is different and needs different types of food

to support it. It really is interesting.

in my country some docs suggest different diets for different blood groups, or

even more detailed based on other genetic markers. From what I have read, there

is very little hard science in this. All the info is statistical by nature,

following a specific diet for your bloodgroup might help, but it could also have

adverse effects.

Maybe it is better to just 'listen to your body' and use the food that your body

craves for (not sugar etc. of course).

[Guest guest]

Hi

My 23 years old daughter has neuro lyme and is following the Bunher protocol

except for Andrographis (now in the 5 week) with other supplements. She

just had to amp down the the dose of Cats Claw and Japanese Knotwood because

of herx. To support her digestive system Tania is taking I5 from Xymogen (

www.xymogen.com) and is doing very well with it.

Candida

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:09 AM, <samlmp@...> wrote:

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> Anyone else having digestive complaints from taking the core protocol? I

> have abdominal tenderness, flatulence, bloating, diarrhea and also

> constipation- which were not my normal Lyme and co-infection symptoms. I am

> about 7 or so weeks into the protocol and feeling worse than when I started.

> The second or third week into the protocol I felt more energy and a little

> more clarity but today all my Lyme symptoms of brain fog, fatigue, joint,

> muscle pain are raging. I'm currently up to 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw,

> Japanese Knotwood, Andrographis. I am also taking Eleuthero, Sarsaparilla

> and Teasel root. I'm thinking maybe I need to amp down my dosage. Do other

> people herx from taking the Buhner protocol?

>

> Thanks for any input.

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