Guest guest Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I couldn't agree more with Jen. I've been adjusting the doses of the various herbs and will continue to do so. It's the only way to ascertain what amounts of each herb you can tolerate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 It has been my experience that if you're going to herx - that usually happens within 3 days. How did you happen to start taking the herbs? _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mariejenni Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:24 AM Subject: [ ] Buhner protocol Hi everyone, I've been on the Buhner protocol over a month now (I get my herbs consolidated in one capsule, as well as a couple of tinctures from Tim , an herbalist recommended by Buhner). I've felt no effect so far. Has anyone else had this experience? Does it take longer for the herbs to kick in? I've been to just about every doctor there is and if this doesn't work, I'm not sure where else to turn. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 It took me several month to begin to see some benefit. I had a positive IGENEX so felt committed that I was on the right path. After 17 years of illness diagnosed as CFIDS where I had tried all sorts of things to no avail, I was more than willing to stick with it. Three years later, it definitely got me started on the road to improvement. I am totally committed to the Buhner Protocol though I have branched out and added since the beginning. Fatigue has always been my major 'herx' reaction. Very hard for me to tell if its a downturn in illness or herx. But fatigue is the issue. Wishing you the best, jo > > Hi everyone, > I've been on the Buhner protocol over a month now (I get my herbs consolidated in one capsule, as well as a couple of tinctures from Tim , an herbalist recommended by Buhner). I've felt no effect so far. Has anyone else had this experience? Does it take longer for the herbs to kick in? I've been to just about every doctor there is and if this doesn't work, I'm not sure where else to turn. > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Hi - I've been working with Tim since late May, taking the consolidated herb capsules he sells and also Sarsaparilla from him and Eleuthero from Herb Pharm. I am about to add Stephania tincture for headaches. I think I am *very* gradually feeling better. Someone on another listserv who has used herbs for years said the following to me, which I found very helpful: " Herbal remedies take a longer time to show results because they are given in minute doses. Antibiotics, on the other hand, pummel the spirochetes, and you start to feel the effects within a few days. The herbals are rebuilding cells and boosting immunity while creating an uncomfortable environment for the spirochetes and eventually killing them off. Cleansing herbal protocols will then flush them your body... The herbal, alternative route requires a lot of patience and belief in how the protocol works in your body... As I said, they are helping to rebuild damaged systems in your body. What you should 'feel', eventually, is calmness, cleanliness, clarity, overall sense of well being as your body gets stronger and healthier. " So, this sounds fairly subtle to me, and corresponds with my own experience so far on this protocol. I also want to say that my experience with Tim has been extremely positive. I went to Brattleboro to meet with him and had an acupuncture treatment when I was there. He's been very responsive to my questions since then. He seems very knowledgeable, compassionate, and attentive, and has personal experience dealing with Lyme. Best of luck with your treatment! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 , This is superb advice - thanks for sharing. Herbs in general do not *always* work slowly. However, in my experience with chronic Lyme, there is no magic bullet that works quickly. For me, Lyme has become a way of life - working on every aspect of my health. Although suffering and changing my lifestyle was difficult, I am thankful for Lyme because it has improved my life overall. I have also worked with Tim and had a similar experience: compassionate, friendly, and knowledgable about the Buhner protocol. I have been taking Tim's consolidated capsules since April, and I have had consistent, slow progress thus far. In my case, every small dose increase has brought on large herz discomfort. So, after nearly 4 months, I'm only up to 4 caps per meal. Working on 5.... Be well, Phil > > Hi - > > I've been working with Tim since late May, taking the consolidated > herb capsules he sells and also Sarsaparilla from him and Eleuthero from > Herb Pharm. I am about to add Stephania tincture for headaches. I think > I am *very* gradually feeling better. Someone on another listserv who > has used herbs for years said the following to me, which I found very > helpful: > > " Herbal remedies take a longer time to show results because they are > given in minute doses. Antibiotics, on the other hand, pummel the > spirochetes, and you start to feel the effects within a few days. The > herbals are rebuilding cells and boosting immunity while creating an > uncomfortable environment for the spirochetes and eventually killing > them off. Cleansing herbal protocols will then flush them your body... > The herbal, alternative route requires a lot of patience and belief in > how the protocol works in your body... As I said, they are helping to > rebuild damaged systems in your body. What you should 'feel', > eventually, is calmness, cleanliness, clarity, overall sense of well > being as your body gets stronger and healthier. " > > So, this sounds fairly subtle to me, and corresponds with my own > experience so far on this protocol. > > I also want to say that my experience with Tim has been extremely > positive. I went to Brattleboro to meet with him and had an acupuncture > treatment when I was there. He's been very responsive to my questions > since then. He seems very knowledgeable, compassionate, and attentive, > and has personal experience dealing with Lyme. > > Best of luck with your treatment! > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 > I have been taking Tim's consolidated capsules since April, and I have had consistent, slow progress thus far. In my case, every small dose increase has brought on large herz discomfort. > > just wondering: did you take ABX before starting the Buhner protocol, or was this your first treatment for lyme? yes, I took a six week course of doxy two years ago, after I was first tested positive for Lyme (w blot). I didn't notice any change. The first time I noticed a herx response was when my TCM doc (no, not Tim) prescribed wormwood in my herb formula. Wormwood seems to help. > > I had strong herxes on ABX (about one year, IV + oral), but almost no herxes on Buhner protocol which I started half a year after the ABX. > I had more improvement on Buhner compared to ABX. I'm guessing the herx reactions with Buhner protocol were relatively mild for me because the ABX had already lowered my bacterial load. > Sounds plausible. What kind of ABX did you take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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