Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 THIS is the first time I have heard of it. Have you Googled to find out about it? THAT testimonial sounds too good to be true. Jim. ### susan2health <susan2health@...> wrote: I know of 2 health practioners that says that the herb lomatium (an American Indian herb--hard to find, but I see that Herb Pharm on MyVitaNet carries it) will cure lyme. I also know a person who considers herself healed of chronic lyme from taking it for a few months. She got a rash, but kept taking it until better. But I see no mention of it on this site. Anyone heard of this, have an opinion on this? --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 , I don't know anything about Lomatium but I see that Winston http://medherb.com/eletter/Lyme-Winston.pdf lists it in a support formula to take after taking an initial " Lyme Formula " I'd also be interested to hear if anyone else has any experience. Parisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Parisa, thanks for this link. I plan to print it out and read it, it looks like some good info. I happen to know 's mother, thru a food-coop where I shop. He is well-regarded as an herbalist. ellen > > , > > I don't know anything about Lomatium but I see that Winston > http://medherb.com/eletter/Lyme-Winston.pdf lists it in a support > formula to take after taking an initial " Lyme Formula " > > I'd also be interested to hear if anyone else has any experience. > > Parisa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 My health supplement expert (health food store owner/operator) has had lyme (stage 1) herself, and tries to stay abreast of best treatments. Currently she is advocating a particular lomatium protocol by Barlow Herbal. Says she has a friend who was " cured " with this. http://www.barlowherbal.com/article_info.php?articles_id=5 The protocol includes only three items: Lomatium, cats claw (with BOTH alkoloids), and suma (pfaffia). Although theoretically lyme and co are not supposed to be able to adjust their defenses to handle herbs as they do antibiotics, I am reading that in actual practice there are some indications that the bugs may be somewhat able to adjust to herbs also. The usual counter to this is to alternate two protocols. I'm considering doing something like 2 weeks on Buhner, then 2 on lomatium, etc. Fred > > I know of 2 health practioners that says that the herb lomatium (an > American Indian herb--hard to find, but I see that Herb Pharm on > MyVitaNet carries it) will cure lyme. > > I also know a person who considers herself healed of chronic lyme from > taking it for a few months. She got a rash, but kept taking it until > better. > > But I see no mention of it on this site. > > Anyone heard of this, have an opinion on this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Buhner recommends to NOT pulse HIS protocol. KEEP on it. Jim. ### Fred Pauser <arborculture@...> wrote: My health supplement expert (health food store owner/operator) has had lyme (stage 1) herself, and tries to stay abreast of best treatments. Currently she is advocating a particular lomatium protocol by Barlow Herbal. Says she has a friend who was " cured " with this. http://www.barlowherbal.com/article_info.php?articles_id=5 The protocol includes only three items: Lomatium, cats claw (with BOTH alkoloids), and suma (pfaffia). Although theoretically lyme and co are not supposed to be able to adjust their defenses to handle herbs as they do antibiotics, I am reading that in actual practice there are some indications that the bugs may be somewhat able to adjust to herbs also. The usual counter to this is to alternate two protocols. I'm considering doing something like 2 weeks on Buhner, then 2 on lomatium, etc. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Jim, Pulsing two GOOD protocols still seems like a good idea to me. What is Buhner's reasoning for not doing so? Or, can you tell me where he discusses this? (I am not yet convinced that the Lomatium protocol is that good. For example, does it cross the blood brain barrier?) Fred > > My health supplement expert (health food store owner/operator) has had > lyme (stage 1) herself, and tries to stay abreast of best treatments. > Currently she is advocating a particular lomatium protocol by Barlow > Herbal. Says she has a friend who was " cured " with this. > http://www.barlowherbal.com/article_info.php?articles_id=5 > > The protocol includes only three items: Lomatium, cats claw (with BOTH > alkoloids), and suma (pfaffia). > > Although theoretically lyme and co are not supposed to be able to > adjust their defenses to handle herbs as they do antibiotics, I am > reading that in actual practice there are some indications that the > bugs may be somewhat able to adjust to herbs also. The usual counter to > this is to alternate two protocols. I'm considering doing something > like 2 weeks on Buhner, then 2 on lomatium, etc. > > Fred > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 GO ahead and TRY it and report to us IF it does any good, or you get worse. Somebody has to take the lead, right? I think I personally will stick with the tried and true method. IT works for sure. At least MOST of what I have done, has. WHENEVER I have TRIED to change Buhner's core and EXTENDED protocols, and/or stopped it, I had relapses. Even when I cut down too far after almost 6 months on my maximum regimen. Maybe IF you have a much lesser bout of this thing, you can get by with doing other things. BUT I KNOW what works for ME, and I am sticking to it. I have never used that Lomatium so can tell you nothing about it, other than what we have read. Jim. ### Fred Pauser <arborculture@...> wrote: Jim, Pulsing two GOOD protocols still seems like a good idea to me. What is Buhner's reasoning for not doing so? Or, can you tell me where he discusses this? (I am not yet convinced that the Lomatium protocol is that good. For example, does it cross the blood brain barrier?) Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Fred, have you tried muscle test? That's the best way to decide what to do. I took many herbs very long term (lets say more than a year) while others, lasted months, others a few days. Some herbs won't 'marry' with others, you have to take them separately to work well. Sometime the herxing is just too strong. I wouldn't drop the Japanese knotweed, i think, in case your body is good with it. If you react well to cats claw, andro and sarsaparilla, I would also keep these 3 constant too. And then add other stuff to deal with cysts, coinfections, parallel infections and so on. Best thing for me were kinesiological tests. It always worked well (but is highly dependent on the practioner's ability and knowledge of lyme disease). Selma > > > Jim, > > Pulsing two GOOD protocols still seems like a good idea to me. What > is Buhner's reasoning for not doing so? Or, can you tell me where he > discusses this? > > (I am not yet convinced that the Lomatium protocol is that good. For > example, does it cross the blood brain barrier?) > > Fred > > > > > > > > My health supplement expert (health food store owner/operator) has > had > > lyme (stage 1) herself, and tries to stay abreast of best > treatments. > > Currently she is advocating a particular lomatium protocol by Barlow > > Herbal. Says she has a friend who was " cured " with this. > > http://www.barlowherbal.com/article_info.php?articles_id=5 > > > > The protocol includes only three items: Lomatium, cats claw (with > BOTH > > alkoloids), and suma (pfaffia). > > > > Although theoretically lyme and co are not supposed to be able to > > adjust their defenses to handle herbs as they do antibiotics, I am > > reading that in actual practice there are some indications that the > > bugs may be somewhat able to adjust to herbs also. The usual > counter to > > this is to alternate two protocols. I'm considering doing something > > like 2 weeks on Buhner, then 2 on lomatium, etc. > > > > Fred > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 --Like Selma, I do muscle teating or should say my Dr does and I use a pendulum. Works for me. Pendulum takes time to master. I do not take anything without checking first. We are all different and our bodys know what it wants. > > Fred, have you tried muscle test? That's the best way to decide what > to do. I took many herbs very long term (lets say more than a year) > while others, lasted months, others a few days. > > Some herbs won't 'marry' with others, you have to take them > separately to work well. Sometime the herxing is just too strong. > > I wouldn't drop the Japanese knotweed, i think, in case your body is > good with it. If you react well to cats claw, andro and sarsaparilla, > I would also keep these 3 constant too. And then add other stuff to > deal with cysts, coinfections, parallel infections and so on. > > Best thing for me were kinesiological tests. It always worked well > (but is highly dependent on the practioner's ability and knowledge of > lyme disease). > > Selma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 > > Posted by: " susan2health " susan2health@... susan2health > Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:52 am ((PDT)) > > I know of 2 health practioners that says that the herb lomatium (an > American Indian herb--hard to find, but I see that Herb Pharm on > MyVitaNet carries it) will cure lyme. > > I also know a person who considers herself healed of chronic lyme from > taking it for a few months. She got a rash, but kept taking it until > better. > > But I see no mention of it on this site. > > Anyone heard of this, have an opinion on this? > > > I wanted to belatedly share my experiences with lomatia. Many years ago -- sometime in the '80's -- i served as a tester for Eclectic Institute's trial glycerin-based lomatia. My chiro at the time passed on to me an article about lomatia's amazing ability to support the immune system against viruses, written by someone at the Institute. I contacted them and asked if they had a non-alcohol version, since my bladder is acutely sensitive to even the most diluted amounts. The head researcher got very excited, since he had been wanting to start a glycerine- based line of herbs, so, at his suggestion, i sent my proposal/ plea to the director and a few weeks later i received a few bottles. I was told that a certain proportion -- a small minority -- react with a rash and that if this were to happen, to stop. Well, that is exactly what happened. A week or so (hard to remember now) into the trial, i broke out in the most spectacular profusion of welts on my back and backside. This is something i'm not prone to and have never experienced before or since. They weren't, as far as i can remember, particularly itchy or painful, just very, very dramatic. In retrospect, i really wonder if i should have just stuck with it on the assumption that it was a detox reaction and would pass. Your comment, , about your acquaitance who experienced the same thing was interesting. Hollis </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I know I took lomatium for several months at a time, about two years ago.........and it really made me feel better. So it must have helped with lyme, since this was probably part of what it was targeting. Love, Jnanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 I checked with my friend that believed it cured her lyme. She had not had a good lyme test, but had improved greatly when changing from a transfer factor with viral components to one that had viral and lyme and common lyme co-infection components. She said that she had great fatigue and chemical sensitivities. She was instructed the same as I was told: to take 3X/day and to keep increasing until she had a rash and then hold the dose steady. She said that within a few days, she had a severe rash/hives along her lymph glands and her spinal column. She said that it looked bad, but wasn't that itchy. After 2 weeks, she added VFT (venous fly trap/carnivore to thin blood). She said that she experienced more mental clarity, which makes sense if her blood was too thick. After 2 weeks, she added the Pfafia to help with candida issues. I had not heard of that. She continued this for about 3-4 months until her fatigue was mostly gone. She still had the chemical sensitivities. She said that prior to this treatment, she had to take a very expensive lyme transfer factor every day or she did not have the energy to get out of bed for more than 4-5 hours. (She could get out of bed only 1-2 hours on previous transfer factor.) She stopped taking the transfer factor and hasn't needed it since. Now she keeps a more normal schedule, and considers herself mostly well. I tried one bottle at a light dose. I didn't go up on dose because I was concerned about a rash that might affect my sleep. I didn't notice any difference on the smaller dose, so I stopped. The bottle did say to stop if a rash occurred. Wikipedia says that plants in this family can be highly toxic, so perhaps that is why it isn't recommended more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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