RE: Muriel : Dentist

[Guest guest]

Muriel, where are you? My dentists are in Switzerland...

I guess what you need is a biological dentist, who knows about

cavitations. It took me a year to decide to pull these canal root teeth

out because I was not sure of the procedure and because of high price.

I think a Cavitat machine can help finding cavitations, but my dentist

and doctor didn't use it. Some people in lymenet have, you can do a

search there. In my case, they only used x-rays and energetic testing

to get the mushy parts off (cavitations in the jawbone). The pulling

was fast, the 'scrapping'/ 'drilling' took about 15-20 minutes in each

root 'hole'.

How do you know your roots are infected? I knew one tooth had certainly

cavitation or infection, but I didn't know the other teeth of mine had

something as I felt nothing there. Most people don't feel anything

under old canal roots...

You could also try lymenet to search for a good biological dentist in

your area, lots of people there that have done and are doing the teeth/

jaw cleansing. It's a tricky job, better read a lot before doing it as

some people fall very sick after doing it (because it can stirr

bacteries, it can cause bad infection, the cavitation can still be

there after the procedure if not done right, it can cause relapse of

lyme symptoms etc).

My decade old dull pain in my jaw is gone since surgery, they found

awful things under these canal roots. I fortunately had no problem at

all so far. I think I still have some infection in one of the 'ex-

roots' though, but I feel nothing (it's only ART that says so)...

good luck!

Selma

>

> Selma, I thoroughly enjoyed your post. Can you give info about

dentist?

> I have 2 root canals which I believe are infected at the root and need

> to be removed and the infected bone removed.

>

> I know I won't be able to get well until this is done (I've had Lyme,

> Babesia & Mycoplasma for 10 years).

>

> How does one find a dentist experienced and familiar with this?

>

> Thanks ever so much, Muriel Pippin

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Selma, I,m very grateful for your message. Thank you so much!!! I've

had Lyme since 1998, initially untreated because of denial from my

insurance company[!!!] (6 negative tests). Over the next 4 years I

had 3 positive PCR tests (both blood and urine) and by that time was

very sick. Antibiotics at that point did nothing. After 3+ years of

daily IV Doxy, then Azithromycin, I just continued getting worse.

I spent 3 years in bed (2003-early 2006), incoherent and not able to

leave the room except to go to the doctor. I live in Pennsylvania, about

an hour from Philadelphia and near Wilmington, DE.

Then I found a LLMD in North Jersey, who put me on Tindamax (for

Babesia), plus more Doxy. I gradually started to get better, got up and

began to function a bit, thanks to pain management.

THEN (!!!) this past February it was discovered that I'd had a root

canal in my 1st upper left molar in 2005 that had been left with the

temporary packing and never completed. I went in and the Dentist (who is

excellent, but only mainstream), put a titanium rod, repacked it, had to

trim my gum, and got it ready for the permanent cap. Within 24 hours I

had a relapse and was desperately sick. I was in bed again for 3 1/2

months+. I have not yet gotten over this severe setback.

My LLMD in NJ does muscle testing and some kind of " Acupuncture tapping "

(he also does acupuncture), told me that this root canal is infected and

the other one I have is, as well. He worked on them, and then this past

week, he worked on them again, plus found a big problem with my

hypo/thal axis (I'd been telling all the Doctors that this was

suppressed, plus my thyroid, for years) plus thyroid, with virus and

bacteria. He worked on them again.

After this visit, I felt better for about 5 days before I began to slip

again. I'm taking Tindamax, the Buhner herbs and doing the Rife machine

as well. I am also taking Diflucan and eating an extremely low carb

diet.

I still fear that these root canals will have to come out if I am to get

well. What do you think?

Again, I am Very Grateful for your message, interest and time! All Best

Wishes, Muriel Pippin

PS I've been sick 10+ years, my life is in shambles, our wonderful

business is gone, and I can't pay my mortgage, nor my other bills. I'm

sure this is a familiar story to you!

[ ] Re: Muriel : Dentist

Muriel, where are you? My dentists are in Switzerland...

I guess what you need is a biological dentist, who knows about

cavitations. It took me a year to decide to pull these canal root teeth

out because I was not sure of the procedure and because of high price.

I think a Cavitat machine can help finding cavitations, but my dentist

and doctor didn't use it. Some people in lymenet have, you can do a

search there. In my case, they only used x-rays and energetic testing

to get the mushy parts off (cavitations in the jawbone). The pulling

was fast, the 'scrapping'/ 'drilling' took about 15-20 minutes in each

root 'hole'.

How do you know your roots are infected? I knew one tooth had certainly

cavitation or infection, but I didn't know the other teeth of mine had

something as I felt nothing there. Most people don't feel anything

under old canal roots...

You could also try lymenet to search for a good biological dentist in

your area, lots of people there that have done and are doing the teeth/

jaw cleansing. It's a tricky job, better read a lot before doing it as

some people fall very sick after doing it (because it can stirr

bacteries, it can cause bad infection, the cavitation can still be

there after the procedure if not done right, it can cause relapse of

lyme symptoms etc).

My decade old dull pain in my jaw is gone since surgery, they found

awful things under these canal roots. I fortunately had no problem at

all so far. I think I still have some infection in one of the 'ex-

roots' though, but I feel nothing (it's only ART that says so)...

good luck!

Selma

[Guest guest]

Hi Muriel,

Just wanted to let you know about a great holistic dentist in

Langhorne PA, 2 friends of mine with Lyme are seeing him and he

sounds really excellent.

here is his website is you d like to check him out yourself

www.icnr.com/main.html

hope you feel better soon!!

Carolyn

>

> Hi Selma, I,m very grateful for your message. Thank you so much!!!

I've

> had Lyme since 1998, initially untreated because of denial from my

> insurance company[!!!] (6 negative tests). Over the next 4

years I

> had 3 positive PCR tests (both blood and urine) and by that time

was

> very sick. Antibiotics at that point did nothing. After 3+ years of

> daily IV Doxy, then Azithromycin, I just continued getting worse.

>

> I spent 3 years in bed (2003-early 2006), incoherent and not able

to

> leave the room except to go to the doctor. I live in Pennsylvania,

about

> an hour from Philadelphia and near Wilmington, DE.

>

> Then I found a LLMD in North Jersey, who put me on Tindamax (for

> Babesia), plus more Doxy. I gradually started to get better, got

up and

> began to function a bit, thanks to pain management.

>

> THEN (!!!) this past February it was discovered that I'd had a root

> canal in my 1st upper left molar in 2005 that had been left with

the

> temporary packing and never completed. I went in and the Dentist

(who is

> excellent, but only mainstream), put a titanium rod, repacked it,

had to

> trim my gum, and got it ready for the permanent cap. Within 24

hours I

> had a relapse and was desperately sick. I was in bed again for 3

1/2

> months+. I have not yet gotten over this severe setback.

>

[Guest guest]

HAS she had any GOOD Lyme tests? I just had the test and I have had Lyme

for over 7 years, and it still showed negative. IT is a joke. Only not funny.

Jim.

###

Kendel <kendels@...> wrote:

Hi Selma, I,m very grateful for your message. Thank you so much!!!

I've

had Lyme since 1998, initially untreated because of denial from my

insurance company[!!!] (6 negative tests). Over the next 4 years I

had 3 positive PCR tests (both blood and urine) and by that time was

very sick. Antibiotics at that point did nothing. After 3+ years of

daily IV Doxy, then Azithromycin, I just continued getting worse.

I spent 3 years in bed (2003-early 2006), incoherent and not able to

leave the room except to go to the doctor. I live in Pennsylvania, about

an hour from Philadelphia and near Wilmington, DE.

Then I found a LLMD in North Jersey, who put me on Tindamax (for

Babesia), plus more Doxy. I gradually started to get better, got up and

began to function a bit, thanks to pain management.

THEN (!!!) this past February it was discovered that I'd had a root

canal in my 1st upper left molar in 2005 that had been left with the

temporary packing and never completed. I went in and the Dentist (who is

excellent, but only mainstream), put a titanium rod, repacked it, had to

trim my gum, and got it ready for the permanent cap. Within 24 hours I

had a relapse and was desperately sick. I was in bed again for 3 1/2

months+. I have not yet gotten over this severe setback.

My LLMD in NJ does muscle testing and some kind of " Acupuncture tapping "

(he also does acupuncture), told me that this root canal is infected and

the other one I have is, as well. He worked on them, and then this past

week, he worked on them again, plus found a big problem with my

hypo/thal axis (I'd been telling all the Doctors that this was

suppressed, plus my thyroid, for years) plus thyroid, with virus and

bacteria. He worked on them again.

[Guest guest]

Dear Muriel, interesting post of yours! Sorry to hear you've been

sick for sooo long, more than 10 years. And what an awful story, to

be 3 years bed ridden.

But nice to see that you found good practioners that are helping you.

It does look that they missed babesia first time.

Babesia has to go first (or one of the first) to see any

improvements, that seems to be a rule. How does it test now (still

got babesia or are you done with it?). Babesia and bartonela are two

critters that seem to influence strongly jaw/ root canal health. Many

people with babs/ bart report either tooth pain, root pain, and have

root/ jaw infections.

I would never put an implant while still having lyme. Never. I'd

rather be looking weird with removable protesis (semi-protesis) than

risking getting sick again because of teeth. Titanium is also a bad

material, I mean, some people get allergies, lyme sufferers are very

prone to develop multiple allergies, so no, it wouldn't be my choice.

It seems there's a new technology with Zirconium oxyde rods (sp?),

100% metal-free, it's done here in Germany, but I don't know if you

can find it in the US.

Anyway, going into jawbone scrapping/ drilling and not clearing

infection there will usually spread infection all over the body. Many

people (lyme sufferers) react like you. I've read that over and over,

that's why I was so scared of doing the cavitation cleanse (taking

the mushy parts off, drilling the bones, I'm not sure how to describe

it).

For me it was fine. I only trust energetic methods to find where

bacteries are still hiding. The naked eye, X-rays, they get almost

nothing from where you get bone bacteries and cavitations. Maybe the

Cavitat machine gets, but it's still not 3D, if I understood well,

so... I would still trust energetic testing from a good practioner.

My doctor did that cleansing side by side with the surgeon, it was an

amazing experience, I was very moved by what he has done to me. He

checked and re-checked again and again to see if there was still

something there, the surgeon kept drilling.

How does your LLMD 'work' on your teeth? So far, when a cavitation is

there, I never heard of any treatment that will ever remove it for

good, except the drilling/ scooping/ taking off the deceased bone.

Both my teeth are not testing cavitations now (before they were). My

decade old dull pain under one of the teeth is also gone.

Gee, when I read about all these infections you got, that scares me a

bit.

Have you seen the warning about Tindamax?

http://www.fda.gov/cder/consumerinfo/druginfo/tindamax.HTM

Hope you don't need that for too long.

Does it get borrelia?

Are you sure you're not overkilling? You're doing quite lots of

things to kill, are you cleansing enough?

> I still fear that these root canals will have to come out if I am

to get

> well. What do you think?

If they test so, I would take them off. If not, you could wait. I'm

waiting to treat the front ones (they don't test bad still). The only

reason I wait is financial.

So sorry to hear you're whole story. I've been sick only for 2 years,

it's been already hell, I can't imagine 10 years going through this

all.

I would just say that before lyme I was sckeptical (sp?) about

energetic testing, muscle test, EAV etc. Now I am a believer, it's

not a 100% thing to trust, but it does give you guidelines, it shows

a direction for treating, it makes what we do look less alleatory and

having a purpose, we see improvements better... Etc. Specially in

such complicate diseases like lyme is. For the teeth, I really start

to trust these energetic testing.

The only problem is that most lyme sufferers are 'blocked' and we

certainly need good practioners who know how to unblock us and work

with muscle tests.

Take care, and please post about your teeth/ jaw process, because I

think this is so important for most of us, lyme sufferers.

Do you still have amalgams? I hope not.

Selma

[Guest guest]

HI Jim, thanks for your question. Yes, I have had many Western Blots and

lots of PCR testing. Most of the Western Blots came in with 3-4 specific

bands, but one, after I was given immuno-globulin, came in with 8 bands.

I've had 3 positive PCR tests - 2 Blood and one Urine.

Any suggestions? Thanks, Muriel

RE: [ ] Muriel : Dentist

HAS she had any GOOD Lyme tests? I just had the test and I have

had Lyme for over 7 years, and it still showed negative. IT is a joke.

Only not funny.

Jim.

###

Kendel <kendelsmagpage (DOT) <mailto:kendels%40magpage.com> com>

wrote:

Hi Selma, I,m very grateful for your message. Thank you so much!!! I've

had Lyme since 1998, initially untreated because of denial from my

insurance company[!!!] (6 negative tests). Over the next 4 years I

had 3 positive PCR tests (both blood and urine) and by that time was

very sick. Antibiotics at that point did nothing. After 3+ years of

daily IV Doxy, then Azithromycin, I just continued getting worse.

I spent 3 years in bed (2003-early 2006), incoherent and not able to

leave the room except to go to the doctor. I live in Pennsylvania, about

an hour from Philadelphia and near Wilmington, DE.

Then I found a LLMD in North Jersey, who put me on Tindamax (for

Babesia), plus more Doxy. I gradually started to get better, got up and

began to function a bit, thanks to pain management.

THEN (!!!) this past February it was discovered that I'd had a root

canal in my 1st upper left molar in 2005 that had been left with the

temporary packing and never completed. I went in and the Dentist (who is

excellent, but only mainstream), put a titanium rod, repacked it, had to

trim my gum, and got it ready for the permanent cap. Within 24 hours I

had a relapse and was desperately sick. I was in bed again for 3 1/2

months+. I have not yet gotten over this severe setback.

My LLMD in NJ does muscle testing and some kind of " Acupuncture tapping "

(he also does acupuncture), told me that this root canal is infected and

the other one I have is, as well. He worked on them, and then this past

week, he worked on them again, plus found a big problem with my

hypo/thal axis (I'd been telling all the Doctors that this was

suppressed, plus my thyroid, for years) plus thyroid, with virus and

bacteria. He worked on them again.

[Guest guest]

For Selma! Thank you so much for your message!!! It means a great deal

to be in contact with people who care, are experiencing the same

disease(s), and who are willing to give their time, even when they don't

feel well.

Look below for the *****. I'm going to write in between the lines....

[ ] Re: Muriel : Dentist

Dear Muriel, interesting post of yours! Sorry to hear you've been

sick for sooo long, more than 10 years. And what an awful story, to

be 3 years bed ridden.

****During those years, I hardly knew who or where I was.

But nice to see that you found good practioners that are helping you.

It does look that they missed babesia first time.

*****Yes, it wasn't until I went to a LLMD in Northern NJ, where they

have longer experience with Lyme/co-infections, that I was diagnosed

with Babesia. And...I had been sweating profusely for years.

Babesia has to go first (or one of the first) to see any

improvements, that seems to be a rule. How does it test now (still

got babesia or are you done with it?). Babesia and bartonela are two

critters that seem to influence strongly jaw/ root canal health. Many

people with babs/ bart report either tooth pain, root pain, and have

root/ jaw infections.

*****He does muscle testing and I still test positive for Babesia. I am

worried about taking Tindamax, as I've been on it for over a year. It

took me a year to build up to 3 250mg tablets/day, I had such powerful

herxes.

I would never put an implant while still having lyme. Never. I'd

rather be looking weird with removable protesis (semi-protesis) than

risking getting sick again because of teeth. Titanium is also a bad

material, I mean, some people get allergies, lyme sufferers are very

prone to develop multiple allergies, so no, it wouldn't be my choice.

******I thought I had an infection in my tooth because I became so sick

for so long after it was worked on in February. My Lyme Doctor found the

infection with the testing, and also found an infection in the only

other root canal I have, (which he didn't even know about!).

It seems there's a new technology with Zirconium oxyde rods (sp?),

100% metal-free, it's done here in Germany, but I don't know if you

can find it in the US.

*****I just want both those teeth Out, and the cavitations scraped

properly, and then to have a tooth " clip " or prosthesis. But there are

no holistic dentists/surgeons here, and I have no money (sick too long,

savings all gone).

Anyway, going into jawbone scrapping/ drilling and not clearing

infection there will usually spread infection all over the body. Many

people (lyme sufferers) react like you. I've read that over and over,

that's why I was so scared of doing the cavitation cleanse (taking

the mushy parts off, drilling the bones, I'm not sure how to describe

it).

For me it was fine. I only trust energetic methods to find where

bacteries are still hiding. The naked eye, X-rays, they get almost

nothing from where you get bone bacteries and cavitations. Maybe the

Cavitat machine gets, but it's still not 3D, if I understood well,

so... I would still trust energetic testing from a good practioner.

My doctor did that cleansing side by side with the surgeon, it was an

amazing experience, I was very moved by what he has done to me. He

checked and re-checked again and again to see if there was still

something there, the surgeon kept drilling.

How does your LLMD 'work' on your teeth? So far, when a cavitation is

there, I never heard of any treatment that will ever remove it for

good, except the drilling/ scooping/ taking off the deceased bone.

****He does some kind of " acupuncture tapping " . The last time I was

there I was better for about a week before getting worse again. He is 3

hours away so I can't go as often as I should. And, I know that getting

rid of the diseased bone is the real answer.

Both my teeth are not testing cavitations now (before they were). My

decade old dull pain under one of the teeth is also gone.

******I'm very happy for you!!!!!

Gee, when I read about all these infections you got, that scares me a

bit.

****Me too!!!!

Have you seen the warning about Tindamax?

http://www.fda.

<http://www.fda.gov/cder/consumerinfo/druginfo/tindamax.HTM>

gov/cder/consumerinfo/druginfo/tindamax.HTM

**********Yes, and I've been on it for over a year. It makes me very

nervous, but the Babesia is difficult to eradicate.

Hope you don't need that for too long.

Does it get borrelia?

****My guess is " no " , because Babesia is a protozoa, and Borellia is a

Spirochete.

Are you sure you're not overkilling? You're doing quite lots of

things to kill, are you cleansing enough?

****Good point.I drink lemon water all day, went on a month cleansing

program, eat lots of naturally fermented foods that we make, take

probiotics. Any other ideas? I have Bentonite, which I should begin

again.

> I still fear that these root canals will have to come out if I am

to get

> well. What do you think?

If they test so, I would take them off. If not, you could wait. I'm

waiting to treat the front ones (they don't test bad still). The only

reason I wait is financial.

******Mine test positive for infection. I have no money and no LL

dentists nearby.

So sorry to hear you're whole story. I've been sick only for 2 years,

it's been already hell, I can't imagine 10 years going through this

all.

I would just say that before lyme I was sckeptical (sp?) about

energetic testing, muscle test, EAV etc. Now I am a believer, it's

not a 100% thing to trust, but it does give you guidelines, it shows

a direction for treating, it makes what we do look less alleatory and

having a purpose, we see improvements better... Etc. Specially in

such complicate diseases like lyme is. For the teeth, I really start

to trust these energetic testing.

******Yes, I absolutely believe in this testing and am glad my Doctor

does it.

The only problem is that most lyme sufferers are 'blocked' and we

certainly need good practioners who know how to unblock us and work

with muscle tests. Yes!!!

Take care, and please post about your teeth/ jaw process, because I

think this is so important for most of us, lyme sufferers.

****I'm afraid there won't be any progress until I find a LL

Dentist/Oral Surgeon.

Do you still have amalgams? I hope not. Yes, a few very small ones. But

no one to take them out.

Thanks ever so much, Selma. Any advice you have would be greatly

appreciated.

Selma

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Carolyn, I looked at the web site and he seems to be exactly

what I need. Langhorne is about 2 hours from here (I'm SW of

Philadelphia and NW of Wilmington, DE.

I have to get these root canals out. Of course I have no money! Thanks

again, Muriel

[ ] Re: Muriel : Dentist

Hi Muriel,

Just wanted to let you know about a great holistic dentist in

Langhorne PA, 2 friends of mine with Lyme are seeing him and he

sounds really excellent.

here is his website is you d like to check him out yourself

www.icnr.com/main.html

hope you feel better soon!!

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

WHAT is a PCR test?

Jim.

###

Kendel <kendels@...> wrote:

HI Jim, thanks for your question. Yes, I have had many Western Blots

and

lots of PCR testing. Most of the Western Blots came in with 3-4 specific

bands, but one, after I was given immuno-globulin, came in with 8 bands.

I've had 3 positive PCR tests - 2 Blood and one Urine.

Any suggestions? Thanks, Muriel