Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Wow - 75% infected ticks is high! Are people aware of the risk? Are they protecting? Are there Lyme-treating docs there? Thx - Robin [ ] Re: The Cost of the Protocol > > Dear Knotweed, > > Where in Europe do you live again? I think I missed that. Where do > you think you contracted Lyme disease? I'm in Netherlands. I got a first byte (most likely from a flea, possibly Bb or Bartonella infection, mild symptoms) ten years ago in my own garden, second byte (tick byte, confirmed Bb infection and severe symptoms) five and a half years ago in the coastal area (dune/forest) near my hometown. The Dutch coast is a Lyme hotspot, similar to the Eastcoast in the US. There are many ticks, and about 25% of them are infected with Bb (in some areas/periods the infection percentage is even higher, up to 75%). = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 > > > Wow - 75% infected ticks is high! Are people aware of the risk? Are they protecting? Are there Lyme-treating docs there? Thx - Robin the government and medical community say there is no real problem, Lyme is difficult to catch and easy to cure (thanks to all the wisdom from the other side of the pond ...). over the last 1-2 years there is more and more attention for the issue in the media, and although it usually suggests that problems are extremely rare I think people are waking up now. From five years ago I remember people boasting about the number of ticks they had to remove after a short nature walk ('I got 25!'), I think such careless attitude is getting rare nowadays. This is a tourist area and they don't want to scare the tourists; in Germany, where infection percentages are usually in the 5-10% range, they have huge signs warning for ticks. None of that over here, sometimes there are warnings in small lettering near the entrance of a dangerous recreational area, that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 This is very interesting to hear, I was in Amsterdam as I worked for Spliethoff, when I returned to the states is when I got horribly sick. Do you happen to know the areas of the hotspots? Thank you, Tracey ________________________________ From: knot_weed <tek0nik@...> Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 4:30:52 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Netherlands  > > > Wow - 75% infected ticks is high! Are people aware of the risk? Are they protecting? Are there Lyme-treating docs there? Thx - Robin the government and medical community say there is no real problem, Lyme is difficult to catch and easy to cure (thanks to all the wisdom from the other side of the pond ...). over the last 1-2 years there is more and more attention for the issue in the media, and although it usually suggests that problems are extremely rare I think people are waking up now. From five years ago I remember people boasting about the number of ticks they had to remove after a short nature walk ('I got 25!'), I think such careless attitude is getting rare nowadays. This is a tourist area and they don't want to scare the tourists; in Germany, where infection percentages are usually in the 5-10% range, they have huge signs warning for ticks. None of that over here, sometimes there are warnings in small lettering near the entrance of a dangerous recreational area, that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 I guess that's a big problem right there - is no place wants to lose their tourist business. The odd thing is, tho, that every tourist place is now potentially at risk. So there needs to be a global approach to the problem, which becomes then, whenever and wherever you go out amongst veg and wood, that's it - it's tick repellent time. One day everyone will know. Unless they figure out how to get rid of the ticks first. I hear they're working on ground spray experimentation now - with alaskan cedar nootkatone and a plant-derived spray called carvacrol. One report is that one of them kept ticks away for 42 days. Now if they could come up with a natural organic way to spray and eradicate ticks, then we'd be done with this mess. - Robin [ ] Re: Netherlands > > > Wow - 75% infected ticks is high! Are people aware of the risk? Are they protecting? Are there Lyme-treating docs there? Thx - Robin the government and medical community say there is no real problem, Lyme is difficult to catch and easy to cure (thanks to all the wisdom from the other side of the pond ...). over the last 1-2 years there is more and more attention for the issue in the media, and although it usually suggests that problems are extremely rare I think people are waking up now. From five years ago I remember people boasting about the number of ticks they had to remove after a short nature walk ('I got 25!'), I think such careless attitude is getting rare nowadays. This is a tourist area and they don't want to scare the tourists; in Germany, where infection percentages are usually in the 5-10% range, they have huge signs warning for ticks. None of that over here, sometimes there are warnings in small lettering near the entrance of a dangerous recreational area, that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 > > This is very interesting to hear, I was in Amsterdam as I worked for Spliethoff, when I returned to the states is when I got horribly sick. Do you happen to know the areas of the hotspots? The high risk areas are the coast (dunes) and some 'forest' areas in the middle/east parts of the country. Amsterdam is relatively low risk, but probably still more risk than large parts of the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 > > Unless they figure out how to get rid of the ticks first. I hear they're working on ground spray experimentation now - with alaskan cedar nootkatone and a plant-derived spray called carvacrol. One report is that one of them kept ticks away for 42 days. Now if they could come up with a natural organic way to spray and eradicate ticks, then we'd be done with this mess. - Robin They have started putting this carvacrol stuff in the deer food over here, based on experiments in the US. Deer numbers are really small here, like a hundred or some in the whole area - so it is easy to feed them. They hope to kill the ticks this way. IMHO it's plain stupid, as the deer are not the Bb reservoir, the problem is with the small rodents. Ticks are just a part of the ecology, eradicating them will probably do more harm than good. We need to restore tick predators to keep them in check (predators often removed by modern agriculture / landscaping / chemical poisoning) and get the Bb infection percentage down to 'normal' levels like they were 50 years ago or so. I think the high infection % is caused by selection pressure on Bb and coinfections, result of antibiotics from livestock, pesticides etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Hi there I am from the Netherlands, living in Canada for the last five years. Just got back from a vacation to holland. More later first some catching up to do Hope everyone is well and has a great 2011 loes _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: December 27, 2010 9:52 PM liver problems Subject: Fwd: [ ] Netherlands Welcome, Michele. We have another member, in addition to , who formerly lived in the Netherlands. I hope she sees this message and is able to respond to you. I'm setting the subject line so it may catch her eye. If you wish, I can send links to documents about AIH, as did below. I have a few favorites. I didn't know that had lived in the Netherlands; he now lives very close to me, north of San Francisco! We have never met, though. Do you have any particular concerns or questions? While we can't give medical advice, among us we have much experience to share. What medication are you taking now, in what amounts? Most of us begin with Prednisone and soon ADD Imuran/azathioprine. Generally, we reduce Prednisone dosage in very small increments, with lab tests before each reduction. Harper female, age 67 Northern California AIH dx 2000 CD dx 2002 Re: [ ] introduction Hi Michele, If you are looking for in depth technical information on AIH, the following document is very informative: http://www.aasld.org/practiceguidelines/Documents/AIH2010.pdf in Napa California, age 69, dx 9/2010 stage 4 PBC; IBS, Sjogren's (Dutch expatriate) ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: YankY I hope I can read some more about AIH here, because in the Netherlands there is almost nothing to find about it. There aren't a lot of people that have AIH in the Netherlands and they are still doing a study about in in the hospitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Thanks, Loes. I didn't want to use your name without your permission. Harper Re: [ ] introduction Hi Michele, If you are looking for in depth technical information on AIH, the following document is very informative: http://www.aasld.org/practiceguidelines/Documents/AIH2010.pdf in Napa California, age 69, dx 9/2010 stage 4 PBC; IBS, Sjogren's (Dutch expatriate) ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: YankY I hope I can read some more about AIH here, because in the Netherlands there is almost nothing to find about it. There aren't a lot of people that have AIH in the Netherlands and they are still doing a study about in in the hospitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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