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I've been out of town for sometime but in reading back some of my mail I read

a question from jmc1229, this is in answer and may be of help to all. There

is a doctor I'm presently in touch with in MD. Dr. Richie Shoemaker. He is

doing great things with Lymes etc. on his site chronicneurotoxins.com he

offers an easy test to take to get you on the road to a good treatment,

perhaps a better test for Lymes. Check out the site and see what you think

and read all the information. If you what to hear him speak as well as Dr.

Liegner and others about Lymes try this site also

lymediseaseaudio.com/shoemaker.htm . I think these might helpful. If anyone

would like to let me know what they think, I'd be glad to hear from you.

The best to you all,

Teena

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> The situation is more complicated than that. There are several different

> types of testosterone deficiencies, which will react differently to added

> testosterone.

>

> Primary testosterone deficiency (this is me) results when the signals (ACTH

> and FSH hormones) are going to the adrenals and testes to make

> testosterone,

> but they don't make enough. Adding testosterone in this case does not

> result

> in a drop in whatever endogenous production there is until you get to a

> high

> testosterone state, and the feedback loop kicks in to slow down the

> pituitary's output of FSH. Adding less testosterone will result in a signal

> that will induce testosterone production again - even if it stays deficient.

>

> Secondary testosterone deficiency results from a lack of pituaitary

> production of FSH and ACTH. This means the problem is in the hypothalamus.

> Adding testosterone in this case shuts down the endogenous production

> completely. If done long enough the testosterone-producing tissues will

> atrophy. _That's_ when you are stuck with added testosterone for the rest

> of

> your life.

>

> There is also a condition of testosterone oversensitivity, that results in

> low testosterone levels. (Usually this is shown by other problems rather

> than by measuring testosterone levels.) Adding testosterone in this case

> not

> only shuts down the endogenous production, but overstimulates

> testosterone-responsive tissues throughout the body, leading to more

> problems instead of less. This kind of low testosterone condition is rare.

>

> Jerry

>

Jerry, I recently tried to get an ITT done for free at the NIH, fitting under

a general endecrine protocol if I were to do so. The clinical fellow was

open enough to do it but he had to go to his superiors to get permission

since it does carry some risk and wouldn't you know they talked him out of it

saying it was not medically justified unless one is a dwarf. Well, that

sucked, but when the NIH guy called me back he said according to the tests

that I had previously done, he also said my HPA axis was not off like I had

been told. I don't see how this can be b/c my ASI shows very low cortisol

output and the fact that high amounts of dexamethasone cured my chronic

fatigue and temporarily transformed my brain into a supercomputer-like state

of mind makes me believe I certainly suffer from adrenal dysfunction. His

justification for saying nothing is wrong with my adrenals is that the ASI is

not scientific so to not believe that (which I think is BS--indeed, I have

read that saliva is the most accurate way of testing cortisol). The other

justification is when my adrenals were stimulated with ACTH they showed that

they worked. I don't believe that excuse either. I thought the ACTH was

just to see if the adrenals were damaged, and as the test showed, they are at

least capable of putting out enough cortisol, but that doesn't mean they are

always putting out enough when not stimulated, does it? The last reason he

gave for me not having HPA dysfunction is that my testosterone levels were

high and normal and that it would therefore be impossible for me to have a

messed up HPA system if I was putting out normal amount of testosterone. Can

you, Jerri, or anyone else rebut what this scientific NIH guy is saying or

was his point about my testosterone being high " proof " that nothing is wrong

with the HPA axis? Thing the NIH guys don't understand is their job is to

view things in a scientific nature, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Where they go wrong is in thinking that you apply the same rigid double blind

study/if there isn't proof then it doesn't work mentality in the real world.

That's such BS. This same conventional minded crap is why conventional

minded doctors will tell you Vit B-12 injections are not necessary unless it

registers low in blood but if you've read what Cheney says about this you

know that it may still not get into the cells and that also there is a study

that showed 2/3 of CFS patients had undetectible amounts in their spinal

cord, which meant none in the brain. Interesting how their " if it doesn't

work 100% then it's ineffective " mentality applies so inconsistently with

real world application of psychiatrists, where the first thing they give you

is a piss-poor anti-depressant that works in only 40-something% of patients.

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Hi n, thanks for the link! I have a homemade charger and need to buy

some silver sticks to use it. My hubby drank it all the time until I ran out of

silver and I just have not tried to find it, guess I will now. Thanks it really

is an old healing remedy that works.

in Texas

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> Message: 21

> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:30:54 -0000

> From: " n Olsen " <olsenmarion@...>

> Subject: Colloidal Silver - Not BFL - But health related

>

> Anyone heard of this stuff??? Colloidal Silver is supposed to be

> really good for healing all kinds of things and many people take it

> daily for general health and wellbeing. My mom was telling me about

> it. My Great Aunt has stomach cancer and her doctor told her to go

> buy some and start taking large doses of it to help with her cancer.

> It's supposedly good for all kinds of things though, from mimizing

> scarring to healing cancer sores and warts, to healing many diseases.

> Anyhow, check out this link if your interested and let me know any of

> you have heard of this. I am now not only focusing on good nutrition

> and working out, but all health issues. I have always been kind of

> a " sickly " person, low immune system, sick many times throughout the

> year. So, I'm wondering if this is as good as they claim. Any input

> would be appreciated. Thanks!

>

> http://www.all-natural.com/silver-1.html

>

> n

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Greetings! Thank you for email. Please note below the changes that have

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