Re: Trouble with chelation

[Guest guest]

" What do I do next? "

I would stop chelating for now and get some of the yeast stuff that we have seen

people have success with on this list: Candex, Candidaise, Coconut oil, young

coconut kefir, cultured vegetables (sauerkraut, etc.), oil of oregano, olive

leaf extract, biotin.

Things to take into consideration:

GSE is high in phenols. When I chelate myself and get yeasty, I have trouble

tolerating phenols and salicylates. Prescription antifungals often contain

added ingredients, believe it or not: artificial colors, flavors, MSG, all kinds

of yuck.

Timing is important. This is what I think works from what I have read and

tried: small amounts of biotin in chelators, probiotics after meals and before

bed, Candex/Candidaise on empty stomach (with night dose is good), cultured

vegetables and/or kefir often as you can.

My son also responded well to Amla (an antioxidant like Vit C that is also

antifungal/antimicrobial)

Let his gut settle down a bit, this sounds a lot like intolerance of ingredients

of something you gave him, so the worst thing to do would be to give him more

new stuff. I would at least take a weekend off before the next round. There

were many times when I just stopped supplements because my son did this and he

improved.

(The problem supps for us were: synthetic B vitamins, amino acids his body

didn't need, artificial color in prescription antifungal, GSE, supps with soy in

them, some forms of zinc, curcumin/turmeric.) Things I would NOT suspect that

you can prob continue without problems are: milk thistle, magnesium, Vit C

(ascorbate), cod liver oil.

I use Dailyfoods Megafoods Vit B complex and Selenium/E; grapeseed oil for extra

Vit E, coconut oil, liquid ionic zinc (easily assimilated), Solgar Vit A from

fish oil 10000 IU and NOW Vit D liquid. For sensitive kids, I think those work

quite well.

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> For the past 6 months my 3 yr old son has been aggressive and stimmy on and

off. We have done yeast control with nizoral and other prescriptions, GSE and

his yeast morphs in 2 weeks or less. He also had a bacterial infection and we

used vancomyacin.

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> We started chelation 2 weeks ago with 5 mg ala and he is 36 lbs. The first

weekend went well. We saw great things the second day, then it went downhill.

The second weekend was horrible. We were not on a yeast protocol, becasue gse

and the scripts did not work. But now he is a complete disaster- doing things I

have never seen before like hand flapping, head dragging, hitting, biting the

baby, screaming, defiant, tantrumy.

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> The past 2 days I started him on nizoral again and last night I started 3

culturelle at bedtime.

> His stools are perfectly fine now but his behavior is still awful.

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> I am wondering from your experience, is this yeast, bacteria, a virus? He is

so extreme, never steady, and I have a suspicion it is PANDAS. Our dr just drew

blood to check for virus load.

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> Our dr said to stop chelation until we get him more stable, so we did stop

this weekend. What do I do next?

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[Guest guest]

Just a note: phenol sensitivity may be sign of low molybdenum. Usually we get

this from wheat...

Anecdotal evidence leads many of us to believe that epsom salts baths ammend

sulphur deficiency in detox pathway...no hard proof but many improvements here.

Helps a lot with anxiety, 'toxic' feeling, and aches and pains. Check out

Feingold Diet science page.

So difficult to be the detective all of the time. Behavior can come from so

many different sources.

Best wishes,

Theodora

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> > For the past 6 months my 3 yr old son has been aggressive and stimmy on and

off. We have done yeast control with nizoral and other prescriptions, GSE and

his yeast morphs in 2 weeks or less. He also had a bacterial infection and we

used vancomyacin.

> >

> > We started chelation 2 weeks ago with 5 mg ala and he is 36 lbs. The first

weekend went well. We saw great things the second day, then it went downhill.

The second weekend was horrible. We were not on a yeast protocol, becasue gse

and the scripts did not work. But now he is a complete disaster- doing things I

have never seen before like hand flapping, head dragging, hitting, biting the

baby, screaming, defiant, tantrumy.

> >

> > The past 2 days I started him on nizoral again and last night I started 3

culturelle at bedtime.

> > His stools are perfectly fine now but his behavior is still awful.

> >

> > I am wondering from your experience, is this yeast, bacteria, a virus? He

is so extreme, never steady, and I have a suspicion it is PANDAS. Our dr just

drew blood to check for virus load.

> >

> > Our dr said to stop chelation until we get him more stable, so we did stop

this weekend. What do I do next?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for pointing that out, molybdenum is one that I forget to take and give

my chidren but I do have it. I never heard it helped with phenols. Thanks

again for the tip, Liz.

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> > > For the past 6 months my 3 yr old son has been aggressive and stimmy on

and off. We have done yeast control with nizoral and other prescriptions, GSE

and his yeast morphs in 2 weeks or less. He also had a bacterial infection and

we used vancomyacin.

> > >

> > > We started chelation 2 weeks ago with 5 mg ala and he is 36 lbs. The

first weekend went well. We saw great things the second day, then it went

downhill. The second weekend was horrible. We were not on a yeast protocol,

becasue gse and the scripts did not work. But now he is a complete disaster-

doing things I have never seen before like hand flapping, head dragging,

hitting, biting the baby, screaming, defiant, tantrumy.

> > >

> > > The past 2 days I started him on nizoral again and last night I started 3

culturelle at bedtime.

> > > His stools are perfectly fine now but his behavior is still awful.

> > >

> > > I am wondering from your experience, is this yeast, bacteria, a virus? He

is so extreme, never steady, and I have a suspicion it is PANDAS. Our dr just

drew blood to check for virus load.

> > >

> > > Our dr said to stop chelation until we get him more stable, so we did stop

this weekend. What do I do next?

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