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Another thing I did at the time my MCS improved was take molybdenum because I

heard it helped. At first I credited it for the improvement in MCS, then I

realized it may have been the removal from mold toxins. I'm not sure. But you

might give it a try.

Doris

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Another thing I did at the time my MCS improved was take molybdenum because I

heard it helped. At first I credited it for the improvement in MCS, then I

realized it may have been the removal from mold toxins. I'm not sure. But you

might give it a try.

Doris

I'd be careful with that too, molybdenum was one of the things tested on my

dental materials testing that I reacted badly to.

marcia

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I would guess that the DMSA produced the eczema, rather than the L-

glutamine. Allergic reactions to DMSA have been reported.

Sensitivity to MSG is usually not a true allergy, as far as I know.

It occurs because glutamate (in MSG) is the principal excitatory

neurotransmitter in the brain. I suspect that in some PWCs

consuming MSG causes too much glutamate to get into the brain,

perhaps because the blood-brain barrier is not working well.

Glutathione depletion is one factor that can cause damage to the

blood-brain barrier. It's the glutamate level outside the cells in

the brain that causes the neuroexcitation.

L-glutamine is convertible to glutamate inside cells, and usually

that doesn't cause problems for PWCs, as far as I know. L-glutamine

is actually the main " food " for the enterocytes lining the small

intestine, the lymphocytes of the immune system, and the fibroblasts

that make collagen for connective tissue. It's the amino acid in

highest concentration in the blood and in the muscles. It's used to

transport nitrogen from the breakdown of amino acids in the muscles

to the liver for conversion to urea and disposal via the urine. I

think it would be very unlikely (maybe impossible) that you would be

allergic to L-glutamine, because it's so common and so necessary in

the body.

Rich

>

> Hi

> I have problems with MSG and not with l-glutamine. Rich had an

explanation for why glutamine is different than glutamate. You can

probably find that in the archives if you do a search.

>

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Doyon

>

> Hi, I am wondering if being Allergic to MSG would also make me

allergic to L-glutamine.

>

> I recently started a nutritional program that contains L-

glutamine and noticed an extreme

> worsening of eczema symptoms after about 7 days on it. Since I

also did a DMSA trial at

> the same time for five days I am also wondering if that might

have been he cause.

>

> Anyone here get a reaction to L-glutamine?

>

>

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Hi Rich,

I would be interested to know your opinion on the following article by

* Blaylock, M.D.*

http://www.mercola.com/2004/may/1/glutamine.htm

Regards, Blake

rvankonynen wrote:

> ,

>

> I would guess that the DMSA produced the eczema, rather than the L-

> glutamine. Allergic reactions to DMSA have been reported.

>

> Sensitivity to MSG is usually not a true allergy, as far as I know.

> It occurs because glutamate (in MSG) is the principal excitatory

> neurotransmitter in the brain. I suspect that in some PWCs

> consuming MSG causes too much glutamate to get into the brain,

> perhaps because the blood-brain barrier is not working well.

> Glutathione depletion is one factor that can cause damage to the

> blood-brain barrier. It's the glutamate level outside the cells in

> the brain that causes the neuroexcitation.

>

> L-glutamine is convertible to glutamate inside cells, and usually

> that doesn't cause problems for PWCs, as far as I know. L-glutamine

> is actually the main " food " for the enterocytes lining the small

> intestine, the lymphocytes of the immune system, and the fibroblasts

> that make collagen for connective tissue. It's the amino acid in

> highest concentration in the blood and in the muscles. It's used to

> transport nitrogen from the breakdown of amino acids in the muscles

> to the liver for conversion to urea and disposal via the urine. I

> think it would be very unlikely (maybe impossible) that you would be

> allergic to L-glutamine, because it's so common and so necessary in

> the body.

>

> Rich

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> > I have problems with MSG and not with l-glutamine. Rich had an

> explanation for why glutamine is different than glutamate. You can

> probably find that in the archives if you do a search.

> >

> > Doris

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Doyon

> >

> > Hi, I am wondering if being Allergic to MSG would also make me

> allergic to L-glutamine.

> >

> > I recently started a nutritional program that contains L-

> glutamine and noticed an extreme

> > worsening of eczema symptoms after about 7 days on it. Since I

> also did a DMSA trial at

> > the same time for five days I am also wondering if that might

> have been he cause.

> >

> > Anyone here get a reaction to L-glutamine?

> >

> >

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Hi Rich,

Blake wrote:

> I would be interested to know your opinion on the following article by

> * Blaylock, M.D.*

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2004/may/1/glutamine.htm

I second the request. I'm particularly interested in this hypoglycemia

statement by L. Blaylock, M.D.:

" Glutamine has recently been shown to produce extreme hypoglycemia...I

would caution readers to avoid excess glutamine, especially in the

above named conditions... " (He lists several others.)

Sue ,

Upstate New York

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Blake this is interesting. Whats even MORE interesting is this article that was

linked at the bottom of it, where the author says he takes 5000mg of Glutamine a

day to build glutathione!!! Ha, talk about controversy! Its interesting what he

claims about Vite E and lowering blood sugar building glutathione tho.

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jun/24/sugar_glutathione.htm

Marcia

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Hi Rich,

I would be interested to know your opinion on the following article by

* Blaylock, M.D.*

http://www.mercola.com/2004/may/1/glutamine.htm

Regards, Blake

rvankonynen wrote:

> ,

>

> I would guess that the DMSA produced the eczema, rather than the L-

> glutamine. Allergic reactions to DMSA have been reported.

>

> Sensitivity to MSG is usually not a true allergy, as far as I know.

> It occurs because glutamate (in MSG) is the principal excitatory

> neurotransmitter in the brain. I suspect that in some PWCs

> consuming MSG causes too much glutamate to get into the brain,

> perhaps because the blood-brain barrier is not working well.

> Glutathione depletion is one factor that can cause damage to the

> blood-brain barrier. It's the glutamate level outside the cells in

> the brain that causes the neuroexcitation.

>

> L-glutamine is convertible to glutamate inside cells, and usually

> that doesn't cause problems for PWCs, as far as I know. L-glutamine

> is actually the main " food " for the enterocytes lining the small

> intestine, the lymphocytes of the immune system, and the fibroblasts

> that make collagen for connective tissue. It's the amino acid in

> highest concentration in the blood and in the muscles. It's used to

> transport nitrogen from the breakdown of amino acids in the muscles

> to the liver for conversion to urea and disposal via the urine. I

> think it would be very unlikely (maybe impossible) that you would be

> allergic to L-glutamine, because it's so common and so necessary in

> the body.

>

> Rich

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> > I have problems with MSG and not with l-glutamine. Rich had an

> explanation for why glutamine is different than glutamate. You can

> probably find that in the archives if you do a search.

> >

> > Doris

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Doyon

> >

> > Hi, I am wondering if being Allergic to MSG would also make me

> allergic to L-glutamine.

> >

> > I recently started a nutritional program that contains L-

> glutamine and noticed an extreme

> > worsening of eczema symptoms after about 7 days on it. Since I

> also did a DMSA trial at

> > the same time for five days I am also wondering if that might

> have been he cause.

> >

> > Anyone here get a reaction to L-glutamine?

> >

> >

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Hi, Blake.

I guess it's possible that in some conditions supplementing

glutamine could end up elevating glutamate too much, but I don't

recall hearing from PWCs that they have this problem. I have heard

from quite a few who can't tolerate MSG (containing glutamate).

Perhaps people here will correct me if their experience has been

different from this. Has anyone here had problems with glutamine

(that you're sure were due to the glutamine and not something else)?

If people want to be on the safe side, I suppose that getting an

amino acids test to see what the plasma level of glutamine actually

is would be a good thing to do. This has to be done carefully,

because glutamine can be converted to glutamate in blood samples

that are not handled or analyzed in the right ways.

Glutamine has been given at a level of tens of grams per day in some

hospitals in order to correct problems with the gut. I think some

bodybuilders take quite a bit, also.

Rich

> > >

> > > Hi

> > > I have problems with MSG and not with l-glutamine. Rich had an

> > explanation for why glutamine is different than glutamate. You

can

> > probably find that in the archives if you do a search.

> > >

> > > Doris

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: Doyon

> > >

> > > Hi, I am wondering if being Allergic to MSG would also make

me

> > allergic to L-glutamine.

> > >

> > > I recently started a nutritional program that contains L-

> > glutamine and noticed an extreme

> > > worsening of eczema symptoms after about 7 days on it. Since

I

> > also did a DMSA trial at

> > > the same time for five days I am also wondering if that might

> > have been he cause.

> > >

> > > Anyone here get a reaction to L-glutamine?

> > >

> > >

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Whenever I have tried L'glutamine, I very quickly feel like I have been hit by a

truck with increased stiffness, achiness and unbearable pain. MSM and also

calcium does the same thing to me. Have never been able to identify why.

From: rvankonynen

Subject: Re: L-Glutamine

Hi, Blake.

I guess it's possible that in some conditions supplementing

glutamine could end up elevating glutamate too much, but I don't

recall hearing from PWCs that they have this problem. I have heard

from quite a few who can't tolerate MSG (containing glutamate).

Perhaps people here will correct me if their experience has been

different from this. Has anyone here had problems with glutamine

(that you're sure were due to the glutamine and not something else)?

If people want to be on the safe side, I suppose that getting an

amino acids test to see what the plasma level of glutamine actually

is would be a good thing to do. This has to be done carefully,

because glutamine can be converted to glutamate in blood samples

that are not handled or analyzed in the right ways.

Glutamine has been given at a level of tens of grams per day in some

hospitals in order to correct problems with the gut. I think some

bodybuilders take quite a bit, also.

Rich

> > >

> > > Hi

> > > I have problems with MSG and not with l-glutamine. Rich had an

> > explanation for why glutamine is different than glutamate. You

can

> > probably find that in the archives if you do a search.

> > >

> > > Doris

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: Doyon

> > >

> > > Hi, I am wondering if being Allergic to MSG would also make

me

> > allergic to L-glutamine.

> > >

> > > I recently started a nutritional program that contains L-

> > glutamine and noticed an extreme

> > > worsening of eczema symptoms after about 7 days on it. Since

I

> > also did a DMSA trial at

> > > the same time for five days I am also wondering if that might

> > have been he cause.

> > >

> > > Anyone here get a reaction to L-glutamine?

> > >

> > >

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Hi, Barbara.

Thanks for the information. It sounds as though for some reason

your body is converting glutamine to glutamate in too large amounts.

It's interesting that calcium does the same thing. What happens if

you take magnesium? It may be that your body is very low in

magnesium. Do you have muscle twitching (especially in your

eyelids)? How about migraine headaches? How about arrhythmias in

your heartbeat?

Rich

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > > I have problems with MSG and not with l-glutamine. Rich

had an

> > > explanation for why glutamine is different than glutamate.

You

> can

> > > probably find that in the archives if you do a search.

> > > >

> > > > Doris

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: Doyon

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I am wondering if being Allergic to MSG would also

make

> me

> > > allergic to L-glutamine.

> > > >

> > > > I recently started a nutritional program that contains L-

> > > glutamine and noticed an extreme

> > > > worsening of eczema symptoms after about 7 days on it.

Since

> I

> > > also did a DMSA trial at

> > > > the same time for five days I am also wondering if that

might

> > > have been he cause.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone here get a reaction to L-glutamine?

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi Rich,

I cannot take glutamine w/o having the same reactions that I have to

aspartame, MSG and other excitotoxins. There was a time early in my illness

when I could take it, (although I may not have made the connection at the

time), but it seemed that after my DMPS and DMSA backfires (I have a sulfite

oxidase deficiency and numerous detox polymorphisms which I was not aware of

at the time), I could not tolerate glutamine anymore, (as well as a host of

sulfur bearing foods and supplements). Dr. Cheney said that he did not

understand the mechanism with the involved glutamine, but that somehow the

glutamine was being converted to glutamate and causing problems. I did find

some info on this at the time, but it was many years ago, and all notes, if

they still remain, are filed in boxes which I'll never have the brain power

to go through.

Donna in NC

(a long ago poster, now in lurk/skim mode due to worsening disease - Lyme dx

2003 after misdx for 22 years)

Re: L-Glutamine

> Hi, Blake.

>

> I guess it's possible that in some conditions supplementing

> glutamine could end up elevating glutamate too much, but I don't

> recall hearing from PWCs that they have this problem. I have heard

> from quite a few who can't tolerate MSG (containing glutamate).

> Perhaps people here will correct me if their experience has been

> different from this. Has anyone here had problems with glutamine

> (that you're sure were due to the glutamine and not something else)?

>

> If people want to be on the safe side, I suppose that getting an

> amino acids test to see what the plasma level of glutamine actually

> is would be a good thing to do. This has to be done carefully,

> because glutamine can be converted to glutamate in blood samples

> that are not handled or analyzed in the right ways.

>

> Glutamine has been given at a level of tens of grams per day in some

> hospitals in order to correct problems with the gut. I think some

> bodybuilders take quite a bit, also.

>

> Rich

>

>

>

>

>> > >

>> > > Hi

>> > > I have problems with MSG and not with l-glutamine. Rich had an

>> > explanation for why glutamine is different than glutamate. You

> can

>> > probably find that in the archives if you do a search.

>> > >

>> > > Doris

>> > > ----- Original Message -----

>> > > From: Doyon

>> > >

>> > > Hi, I am wondering if being Allergic to MSG would also make

> me

>> > allergic to L-glutamine.

>> > >

>> > > I recently started a nutritional program that contains L-

>> > glutamine and noticed an extreme

>> > > worsening of eczema symptoms after about 7 days on it. Since

> I

>> > also did a DMSA trial at

>> > > the same time for five days I am also wondering if that might

>> > have been he cause.

>> > >

>> > > Anyone here get a reaction to L-glutamine?

>> > >

>> > >

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Hi Rich,

I have all the things you mentioned - muscle twitching (especially the eyelids

which is made worse with many single amino acids and some hormones ie. DHEA),

migraines and irregular heart rhythms. I was taking over twice the magnesium to

calcium ratio and still experiencing this so gave up completely on calcium

supplementation.

Interestingly enough, I started magnesium alone in higher doses about 3 weeks

ago. I've built up to 900 mg. daily but have had to offset bowel intolerance

with several grams of vitamin C. Presumably, since most vitamin C is sourced

from corn, that is the reason that it causes a constipating action with me.

Although I feel calmer with the magnesium, I was hoping it would do something to

alleviate the hundreds of hard painful lumps (knots) in my back but

unfortunately they are still there. Also, I've been having severe migraines for

about a week now but the barometer has been falling so that may be the cause.

Thanks for shedding some light on this for me. Any further direction?

Barbara

From: rvankonynen

Subject: Re: L-Glutamine

Hi, Barbara.

Thanks for the information. It sounds as though for some reason

your body is converting glutamine to glutamate in too large amounts.

It's interesting that calcium does the same thing. What happens if

you take magnesium? It may be that your body is very low in

magnesium. Do you have muscle twitching (especially in your

eyelids)? How about migraine headaches? How about arrhythmias in

your heartbeat?

Rich

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > > I have problems with MSG and not with l-glutamine. Rich

had an

> > > explanation for why glutamine is different than glutamate.

You

> can

> > > probably find that in the archives if you do a search.

> > > >

> > > > Doris

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: Doyon

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I am wondering if being Allergic to MSG would also

make

> me

> > > allergic to L-glutamine.

> > > >

> > > > I recently started a nutritional program that contains L-

> > > glutamine and noticed an extreme

> > > > worsening of eczema symptoms after about 7 days on it.

Since

> I

> > > also did a DMSA trial at

> > > > the same time for five days I am also wondering if that

might

> > > have been he cause.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone here get a reaction to L-glutamine?

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi, Donna.

Yes, I rememember you. It's good to hear from you again, but I'm

sorry about the worsening state of your health.

Thanks for the information. Looks like there's more than one PWC

out there who doesn't tolerate glutamine well. I stand corrected.

Rich

>

> Hi Rich,

> I cannot take glutamine w/o having the same reactions that I have

to

> aspartame, MSG and other excitotoxins. There was a time early in

my illness

> when I could take it, (although I may not have made the connection

at the

> time), but it seemed that after my DMPS and DMSA backfires (I have

a sulfite

> oxidase deficiency and numerous detox polymorphisms which I was

not aware of

> at the time), I could not tolerate glutamine anymore, (as well as

a host of

> sulfur bearing foods and supplements). Dr. Cheney said that he did

not

> understand the mechanism with the involved glutamine, but that

somehow the

> glutamine was being converted to glutamate and causing problems. I

did find

> some info on this at the time, but it was many years ago, and all

notes, if

> they still remain, are filed in boxes which I'll never have the

brain power

> to go through.

> Donna in NC

> (a long ago poster, now in lurk/skim mode due to worsening

disease - Lyme dx

> 2003 after misdx for 22 years)

>

> Re: L-Glutamine

>

>

> > Hi, Blake.

> >

> > I guess it's possible that in some conditions supplementing

> > glutamine could end up elevating glutamate too much, but I don't

> > recall hearing from PWCs that they have this problem. I have

heard

> > from quite a few who can't tolerate MSG (containing glutamate).

> > Perhaps people here will correct me if their experience has been

> > different from this. Has anyone here had problems with glutamine

> > (that you're sure were due to the glutamine and not something

else)?

> >

> > If people want to be on the safe side, I suppose that getting an

> > amino acids test to see what the plasma level of glutamine

actually

> > is would be a good thing to do. This has to be done carefully,

> > because glutamine can be converted to glutamate in blood samples

> > that are not handled or analyzed in the right ways.

> >

> > Glutamine has been given at a level of tens of grams per day in

some

> > hospitals in order to correct problems with the gut. I think

some

> > bodybuilders take quite a bit, also.

> >

> > Rich

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Barbara, I found in treating FM that magnesium effectiveness can be enhanced by

using in combination with malic acid. It as available in combined form...

magnesium malate. Mel

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Rich et al.,

It seems that a subgroup of people are sensitive to glutamine,

presumably which has an excitoxic effect in these epople. I wonder if

these are the same people who react badly to whey?

Blake

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Hi Mel,

Thanks for the tip but I don't do well with malic acid. It leaves me feeling

freezing cold and shivering. I appreciate you replying though.

From: Mel Baldwin

Subject: Re: Re: L-Glutamine

Barbara, I found in treating FM that magnesium effectiveness can be enhanced

by using in combination with malic acid. It as available in combined form...

magnesium malate. Mel

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Gooday Blake

I react badly to whey ( immune pro ) but have no issues at all with

glutamine.

regds Doug

>

> Rich et al.,

>

> It seems that a subgroup of people are sensitive to glutamine,

> presumably which has an excitoxic effect in these epople. I wonder if

> these are the same people who react badly to whey?

>

> Blake

>

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MJH-this is good info. Do you consider your muscle spasms a

a symptom of CFS or FMS? BTW, it is odd that " we " have been told

that when one takes mag. that calcium is essential and nothing

has been mentioned abount B6.

Mike C

> Magnesium needs vitamin B6 as it's cofactor. I take 200mg of Mg

four to six

> times daily without experiencing loose stools. In the earlier

years of

> FMS/CFIDS, my body needed closer to two grams of Mg daily. I also

take 100 mg B6

> three times a day.

>

> THis combination Mg and B6 has been incredibly effect in relieving

muscle

> spasms so severe they pulled the vertebrae out of alignment in my

spine.

>

> Malic acid is another form of Magnesium that may be helpful in

relieving

> spasms and increasing energy.

>

> _www.mgwater.com_ (http://www.mgwater.com)

> _www.exatest.com_ (http://www.exatest.com)

> _www.magnesium.com_ (http://www.magnesium.com)

>

> Hope this helps

> mjh

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Your reacting badly to whey as your body is detoxing years worth of

toxins...i had this reaction believe me - it took me 4- 5 months to tolerate it

and

now I have no trouble what so ever with it.!

Regards

CS

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Hi Elyse,

We've talked about l-glutamine here before...I recall Bee saying it

was not recommended but I don't remember the particulars. You might

try a message search and see if you can find it in the archives.

jackie

>

>

> Any comments on l-glutamine? It's supposed to help heal the gut.

>

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>

>

> Any comments on l-glutamine? It's supposed to help heal the gut.

==>Glutamine is a non-essential amino acid because it made inside the

body from other amino acids; eating meats & eggs is the best form to

have and it is easier for the body to digest and use than any

supplements. Plain down to earth foods recommended heal the gut,

particularly " good " fats!

Bee

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Found them Jackie,

I figured if it was acceptable I would have seen it somewhere, but

was curious what the problem with it could be. Thanks,

On 24-Jul-06, at 5:39 PM, jahlstrom78 wrote:

>

> We've talked about l-glutamine here before...I recall Bee saying it

> was not recommended but I don't remember the particulars. You might

> try a message search and see if you can find it in the archives.

Elyse

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> >

> >

> > Any comments on l-glutamine? It's supposed to help heal the gut.

>

> ==>Glutamine is a non-essential amino acid because it made inside the

> body from other amino acids; eating meats & eggs is the best form to

> have and it is easier for the body to digest and use than any

> supplements. Plain down to earth foods recommended heal the gut,

> particularly " good " fats!

> Bee

>

I've read in many places that during gut trauma like cadida overgrowth

you can actually have a glutamie deficiency. I was also talking to a

friend who has had candida for a few years and he testified that his

glutamine suppliment was the single biggest factor in his vast

improvement. Said it made a huge difference. Has anyone come across any

information that would suggest that it could be a hinderance?

Thanks, MJ

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> I've read in many places that during gut trauma like cadida

overgrowth you can actually have a glutamie deficiency. I was also

talking to a friend who has had candida for a few years and he

testified that his glutamine suppliment was the single biggest factor

in his vast improvement. Said it made a huge difference. Has anyone

come across any information that would suggest that it could be a

hinderance?

==>MJ, would you please use a name rather than initials at the end of

your messages, even if you make up a name. It helps our blind member,

Maddalena, recognize the end of messages which she listens to. Thanks.

==>Yes, it is true that candida sufferers have glutamine deficiency as

well as deficiencies in many other amino acids. Most candida

sufferers are very malnourished. The answer is not to start

supplementing with all kinds of different nutrients which are not

natural and difficult to digest, when enough is contained in the diet,

like the one I recommend. Taking too many supplements presents its

own problems for the body as well, but improving digestion is also key

to improving absorption of any nutrients.

==>Candida toxins interfere a great deal with the absorption and

utilization of nutrients and hormones because it makes all of the

body's cells go rigid.

Bee

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Hi Elyse

You can take L-Glutamine at bed time. It will

certainly help heal the gut, stop muscle weakness,

digest protein and it's a natural antacid.

Regards

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> What is the thinking on l-glutamine? A friend

> suggested it to heal

> the gut. I get a lot of bloating and inflammation.

>

> Elyse

>

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