Re: Cure For All Diseases et all

[Guest guest]

And I have some snake oil for sale if anyone wants to buy that..it cures

everything and cleans your house too!

--

The Mysterious Mr. X

In his Unabomber-style shack,

in the backwoods of Pennsylvania

[ ] Cure For All Diseases et all

> I was diagnosed with Lyme maybe 6 months to a year ago, although I

> may have had the disease for years and years.

>

> I basically tried the following treatments:

>

> 15 weeks oral doxycycline

> 4 months anti-candida/immune stimulator diet

> weekly chiropracter/kenesiology adjustments

> substantial rest (no job, no school fight Lyme fulltime)

> many many varied supplements/vitamins

>

> All of these treatments combined DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO BENEFIT I

> RECEIVED FROM FREQUENCY THERAPY.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

-......and I have a beautiful bridge in San Francisco for

sale.........cheap.....will sell for good price.

Call me 1-800-snakecharmer*

-- In @y..., " The Mysterious Mr.X " <mysterious_mrx@h...>

wrote:

> And I have some snake oil for sale if anyone wants to buy that..it

cures

> everything and cleans your house too!

> --

> The Mysterious Mr. X

> In his Unabomber-style shack,

> in the backwoods of Pennsylvania

> [ ] Cure For All Diseases et all

>

>

> > I was diagnosed with Lyme maybe 6 months to a year ago, although I

> > may have had the disease for years and years.

> >

> > I basically tried the following treatments:

> >

> > 15 weeks oral doxycycline

> > 4 months anti-candida/immune stimulator diet

> > weekly chiropracter/kenesiology adjustments

> > substantial rest (no job, no school fight Lyme fulltime)

> > many many varied supplements/vitamins

> >

> > All of these treatments combined DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO

BENEFIT I

> > RECEIVED FROM FREQUENCY THERAPY.

> <snip>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear you guys are so skeptical. Once again let me re-iterate

that I am not selling anything. I'm not affiliated with Hulda

or the publishing company. I am just someone who was suffering

tremendously and this technology has made a night and day difference.

I do not use the word cure lightly.

I only gave my number because i feel this is so important. i am not

trying to sell anything to anyone (except the book). but you don't

need to buy the book to get a feel just take a look at the website.

I was quite skeptical myself BEFORE I tried it. I just urge you to

put in a little time on the subject.

An analogy that was given to me was this. It is a known fact that

when a super high pitch is emmitted glass can shatter. the pitch is a

high frequency - a specific frequency. the glass shatters because the

certain frequency was hit.

well the same is true with cells. you emit the right frequency, and

cells shatter too. perhaps now it does not sound so ridiculous.

there is not much more i can say to defend myself other than I am not

new to this forum. although i have not posted recently, i have posted

before and i'm sure you guys can look back and see my old messages

and i was trying to get better like everyone else.

Although i am not cured, the difference is night and day and is this

by far the most effective treatment i have used - much more effective

than 15 weeks of expensive oral abx.

> > And I have some snake oil for sale if anyone wants to buy

that..it

> cures

> > everything and cleans your house too!

> > --

> > The Mysterious Mr. X

> > In his Unabomber-style shack,

> > in the backwoods of Pennsylvania

> > [ ] Cure For All Diseases et all

> >

> >

> > > I was diagnosed with Lyme maybe 6 months to a year ago,

although I

> > > may have had the disease for years and years.

> > >

> > > I basically tried the following treatments:

> > >

> > > 15 weeks oral doxycycline

> > > 4 months anti-candida/immune stimulator diet

> > > weekly chiropracter/kenesiology adjustments

> > > substantial rest (no job, no school fight Lyme fulltime)

> > > many many varied supplements/vitamins

> > >

> > > All of these treatments combined DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO

> BENEFIT I

> > > RECEIVED FROM FREQUENCY THERAPY.

> > <snip>

[Guest guest]

Don't be so quick to make fun...........I have heard some strange things

tried..........and it has helped some people...........

We are all trying to feel better...........I have heard some info on this.a

while back, way back, maybe when I was in my Fibromyalgia group, I remember

it helping a lot of people.........think of those that go get Malaria

because of the high fevers to cure some horrible disease............many

indeed are cured.

So don't poke fun.........one never knows.........instead investigate

Connie

Leave no stone unturned.......and ask questions!

[Guest guest]

Dear Ethan,

I hope you are not offended that I was trying to sell a bridge,,you

said>>>>>>>I only gave my number because i feel this is so important.

i am not

trying to sell anything to anyone (except the book). but you don't

need to buy the book to get a feel just take a look at the

website<<<<<<<<<<

There all kinds of sites on the internet,hmmmmm even WICCA has a

good website.....great layout,,you can even buy candles there.

Understand this....we spend a horrendous amount of mula

on " Antibiotics " ,,supporting our Doctors who are in trouble with

officals in New York, we fight insurance companies so we can get

treatment so a little humor should not offended folks. Humor is one

of the best medicenes around. We all have a serious pathogen,,and its

hard to kill,, and they still do not know when or what the serious

side effects will be once treatment is stopped.

I went to the website to get directions how to make one of those

thingers......I want to use it when I go outside in Houston to zap

the mosquito population that lives in my yard. I will compare it to

the ones I can buy at ACE hardware store they call THE ZAPPER.

I bet that one gives an incredible herx to the mosqitoes.

Samm

> > > And I have some snake oil for sale if anyone wants to buy

> that..it

> > cures

> > > everything and cleans your house too!

> > > --

> > > The Mysterious Mr. X

> > > In his Unabomber-style shack,

> > > in the backwoods of Pennsylvania

> > > [ ] Cure For All Diseases et all

> > >

> > >

> > > > I was diagnosed with Lyme maybe 6 months to a year ago,

> although I

> > > > may have had the disease for years and years.

> > > >

> > > > I basically tried the following treatments:

> > > >

> > > > 15 weeks oral doxycycline

> > > > 4 months anti-candida/immune stimulator diet

> > > > weekly chiropracter/kenesiology adjustments

> > > > substantial rest (no job, no school fight Lyme fulltime)

> > > > many many varied supplements/vitamins

> > > >

> > > > All of these treatments combined DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO

> > BENEFIT I

> > > > RECEIVED FROM FREQUENCY THERAPY.

> > > <snip>

[Guest guest]

You might want to try catsup. =)

Ethan has been a member of for many months now.

=)

Robynn

-Owner

Re: [ ] Re: Cure For All Diseases et all

I'll eat my hat if he didn't join the group just a few days ago.

[Guest guest]

I agree with conniek. I have not been in thies discusion but that's my two

cents.

Sheryl

Re: [ ] Cure For All Diseases et all

> Don't be so quick to make fun...........I have heard some strange things

> tried..........and it has helped some people...........

> We are all trying to feel better...........I have heard some info on this.a

> while back, way back, maybe when I was in my Fibromyalgia group, I remember

> it helping a lot of people.........think of those that go get Malaria

> because of the high fevers to cure some horrible disease............many

> indeed are cured.

> So don't poke fun.........one never knows.........instead investigate

>

> Connie

> Leave no stone unturned.......and ask questions!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Dear Ethan,

> I have a dear friend from church who uses a " Rife " machine, under a

similar

> concept I believe, and it has gotten him out of bed, now working

one day a

> week. He does Herx so he knows that it is doing something. I

believe that

> it is another treatment similar to the " Zapper " and like any other

> treatment, alternative or traditional, what helps one may not help

another.

> I have been invited to try it, but with my complexity of illnesses,

I am not

> ready to try it but have not totally ruled it out.

>

> I wanted to welcome you to the group and let you know that not

everyone

> thinks you are " selling snake oil " . Please don't let them scare

you, but

> perhaps you came on a little strong with your " cure-all " . Just

keep us up

> to date on your symptoms, progress and any herxing you may be doing

and

> perhaps someone will try it and it will help them and you will

never know.

>

> Just remember, what works for does not work for all and most are

leery of a

> treatment that does not have the appropriately done studies to

prove that it

> indeed is working. If you know of any, please post them and let

people make

> up their own minds after reading the research, not testimonies from

those

> helped, but solid scientific research. If there is not any, well,

it still

> does not mean it does not help, just that fewer are willing to try

an

> unproven treatment.

I am not aware of any studies. I haven't looked. but I doubt they are

out their. I tried this therapy because there was a person I knew

personally rather well that also had lyme. she had it for a long and

very severely. one day she started talking about a cure and my jaw

dropped. she was very excited.

she arranged for me to get treated. the results have been phenomanal.

they simply do not compare to anything i ahve tried thus far.

others in my family have tried it as well and report fantastic

results. so i know a bunch of people personally that have used it and

know it works, so i do not need the slightest bit of 'evidence' from

medical research.

if you do look for reseach i would look in foreign research more than

US. I have been told this frequency therapy is much more prevalent in

countries such as germany,france,england,canada.

i can understand your skepticism but it is painfull to hear since i

know for a fact that frequency therapy works.

> P.S. I like your name, Ethan, it is also my 3rd grandson's name,

he is 18

> months old and lives in FL.

> Hugs from a Light-House-Keeper finally in Pennsylvania

> (Anyone can clean the house, only you can catch up on your rest)

> Michele E. Townsend, FMS/90,ME/CFS/94, LD/??(DX2001)SSDI/95

> mailto:michtown@e... and homepages:

> http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/SupportSt/michtown/default.htm

> With a dream to become an Inn-House-Keeper! Join us at:

> TownsendVillage or by sending a

> blank email to TownsendVillage-subscribe@y...

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: " Ethan " > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:40 PM

> > > > I was diagnosed with Lyme maybe 6 months to a year ago,

although I

> > > > may have had the disease for years and years.

> > > >

> > > > All of these treatments combined DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO

> > BENEFIT I

> > > > RECEIVED FROM FREQUENCY THERAPY.

[Guest guest]

> Ethan,

> Don't try to defend yourself...........I have heard about this

> technique..........and have heard success stories, in a previous

> newsgroup..........I like, Michele, believes what works for one

may not

> work for another

i agree about most treatments but not this one. it works for

everyone. the frequency go through your body and shatter the bad

stuff. perhaps if you had a massive 10 foot metal plate in your body

to deflect the frequencies it wouldn't work. other than it works.

.............and I'm always open to

> suggestions...........after a little investigation and

> research.........there is no reason for anyone to ridicule your

suggestions.

> Hey, I tried Hydrogen Peroxide Drips for quite a while, thought

they were

> helping me, until I became so ill, I couldn't

function...........had to give

> those up......

> So don't feel upset with the remarks by a few.......they really

should be

> asking you more questions instead........

> Thanks for sharing,

> Connie nwnj

glad to hear your open-minded. do u feel hydro-p drips helped? i

never got around to trying those.

> Leave no stone unturned.......and ask questions!

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 8/21/01 11:25:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> michtown@m... writes:

>

>

> > Please don't let them scare you, but

> > perhaps you came on a little strong with your " cure-all " . Just

keep us up

> > to date on your symptoms, progress and any herxing you may be

doing and

> > perhaps someone will try it and it will help them and you will

never know.

> >

>

> Well said Michele... and Welcome, Ethan. I have been reading about

these

> zappers on a Lyme list and there are those who claim great success

with them.

> I am very interested to hear how you do with it. I remain open to

all

> possibilities of a cure for this horrible disease!

>

> a

I explained alot in my very first post. I can tell you that I treated

with frequencies twice. Each time i herxed afterwards for a few days.

then i felt significantly better then before treatment. the gains i

have made post-treatment have *not* diminished.

if u have any more specific questions i will answer if i can.

[Guest guest]

> First of all " Ethan " is selling books and nothing else.

Do you have any proof whatsoever of this? No. I reccomended a book to

members in this group. Did I post an affiliate link? No.

Furthermore, instructions on howto to make the device i reccomend are

available free on the website i linked to. was that an affiliate

link? no. Your losing credibility fast.

> He never posted

> before and I'll eat my hat if he didn't join the group just a few

days ago.

The moderator of this group seems to disagree with you. Your wrong

again.

> He is preying on vulnerable ppl.

absolutely not. impossible actaully since i am not selling a product

and i have no finiancial ties to the people who are selling.

> And don't be so quick to think that I didn't investigate. I looked

at the

> website and was shocked to read some of the incredible stupidity

these ppl

> are pushing.

>

> " All cancers are alike. They are all caused by a parasite. A single

> parasite! It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this

parasite,

> the cancer stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again. In

order to

> get cancer, you must have this parasite. . . . "

>

> Really now? Well how about publishing your reasearch in a

scientific journal

> and let some scientist confirm your results?

This is not *my* research. Most likely one of the main reasons she

couldn't get her work published is because of the utter skepticism

you perpetuate. Have you actually tried the therapy you are so

convinced does not work??

You have a cure for cancer yet

> you are holding it back?! I worked on The Bone Marrow Transplant

Unit at the

> University of Minnesota for 6 years. I watched nurses and MD's cry

when a

> patient died..why are you holding back this wonderful treatment?

I have sympathy for people you work with, who were most likely

sincerely trying their best and caring alot. Their sorrow does not

mean that hulda clark's methods do not work however.

Publishing it in a 20$ book AND making it available for free on the

internet, how is that holding back this wonderfull treatment?? I

don't see any patents anywhere do you?

> Dr

> claims cancer can be cured with herbs.

excuse me where does she make this claim? what is your source for

this?

> Dr. also claims herbs and zappers cure HIV/AIDS and

Alzheimer's. (yes,

> really)

she claims they *can* cure them. she does not claim that *everyone*

will be cured, nor that everyone will be cured with one treatment.

> She also sells a thing called a " Syncrometer " . It is claimed to

identify

> diseased organs and toxic substances by noting whether the device

makes

> various sounds when " test substances " are placed on a plate. The

device is

> actually a galvanometer that measures skin resistance to a low-

voltage

> current that passes from the device through a probe touched to the

patient's

> hand. It has no diagnostic value whatsoever. This has been tested

and

> debunked about a thousand times.

just like IV antibiotics for lyme right?

i haven't used or even seen the syncrometer. but since hulda clark's

outrageous claim the frequencies can cure disease is true, i believe

that the syncrometer works too.

> 's " Zapper " is a low-voltage device that supposedly kills

parasites,

> bacteria, and viruses with electrical energy, but does not harm

human

> tissue.

honest question. is electrical energy the same thing as an electrical

frequency?

Its use is based on 's notion that all living things broadcast

> a characteristic range of radio frequencies and that the device can

issue

> counter-frequencies that kill unwanted organisms.

something like that, yes.

> If there are any published papers to support this notion, I'd be

interested

> to read them. Maybe Ethan can supply some references from medical

journals

> supporting these claims?

don't have any. maybe i'll look for some someday but right now it's

not a priority. i alluded to this in another thread. research if

there is any, will probably be found outside the US.

mr. x, i assume you have looked for reseach is that right? did u find

any?

> --

> The Mysterious Mr. X

> In his Unabomber-style shack,

> in the backwoods of Pennsylvania

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Cure For All Diseases et all

>

>

> > Ethan,

> > Don't try to defend yourself...........I have heard about this

> > technique..........and have heard success stories, in a previous

> > newsgroup..........I like, Michele, believes what works for one

may not

> > work for another............and I'm always open to

> > suggestions...........after a little investigation and

> > research.........there is no reason for anyone to ridicule your

> suggestions.

> > Hey, I tried Hydrogen Peroxide Drips for quite a while, thought

they were

> > helping me, until I became so ill, I couldn't

function...........had to

> give

> > those up......

> > So don't feel upset with the remarks by a few.......they really

should be

> > asking you more questions instead........

> > Thanks for sharing,

> > Connie nwnj

> >

> > Leave no stone unturned.......and ask questions!

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> In a message dated 8/23/01 12:51:05 PM, Fchickens@A... writes:

>

> << I used the Rife machine after the abx and all the proof I

> have is that I feel great.

> I never tell people not to express their opinions, and I won't

start

> here....I would just like to encourage all people to keep an open

mind :]

>

> Damien Theophano

> >>

>

> Damien and all-

> Ditto. My rife machine has DEFINITELY played a key role in my

recovering to

> 99%.

> sue in nj

sue got a make/model? would appreciate for my records thanks Ethan.

[Guest guest]

curious, do you know the make/model of the machine you used? i would

like to note it for my records. good to know what works.

> I've been a member of this list for over a year, at least. I used

to

> contribute quite often and now, since I am better, I just monitor

the list to

> keep up to date. I haven't paid too much attention to this thread,

so, I hope

> I am in context, but I remember reading something about using Hulda

's

> Zapper or another electronic device to combat Lyme's Disease. I

will say that

> in my case, I found a Rife machine to be quite effective against

Lyme. I

> think it greatly contributed to me being symptom free. I was on abx

for over

> 1.5 years and my LLMD said it was my choice to continue or not as I

was still

> testing positive. I used the Rife machine after the abx and all the

proof I

> have is that I feel great.

> I never tell people not to express their opinions, and I won't

start

> here....I would just like to encourage all people to keep an open

mind :]

>

> Damien Theophano

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/23/01 5:07:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> @y... writes:

>

>

> > Message: 1

> > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:54:50 -0700

> > From: " Robynn " <nebneb@w...>

> > Subject: Re: Cure For All Diseases et all

> >

> > You might want to try catsup. =)

> >

> > Ethan has been a member of for many months now.

> >

> > =)

> > Robynn

> > -Owner@y...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I'll eat my hat if he didn't join the group just a few days ago.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> QuackWatch:

> http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

http://.net/news/racketeering.htm

I have more if you like. just have to dig them up.

if memory serves me right, this is not the first time quackbusters

has been sued correct?

> Federal Trade Commission: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm

FTC is just deciding to ban this technology right? They haven't

actually tried to see if it works correct?

> National Council Against Health Fraud:

> http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/rife.html

never heard of this organization.

wait a minute, this place is run by the *same* guy who runs

quackbusters. its not a new source at all.

> --

> The Mysterious Mr. X

> In his Unabomber-style shack,

> in the backwoods of Pennsylvania

>

>

> >

> > In a message dated 8/23/01 12:51:05 PM, Fchickens@A... writes:

> >

> > << I used the Rife machine after the abx and all the proof I

> > have is that I feel great.

> > I never tell people not to express their opinions, and I won't

start

> > here....I would just like to encourage all people to keep an open

mind :]

> >

> > Damien Theophano

> > >>

> >

> > Damien and all-

> > Ditto. My rife machine has DEFINITELY played a key role in my

recovering

> to

> > 99%.

> > sue in nj

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

TRADERS WROTE:

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE FREQUENCY FOR LYME THAT WAS STATED

ON THE ORIGINAL POST OF THIS SUBJECT ? IT STARTED WITH A 3.

THANKS FOR ANY REPLY !!

Sheryl wrote:

>

> I agree with conniek. I have not been in thies discusion but that's my two

cents.

> Sheryl

> Re: [ ] Cure For All Diseases et all

>

> > Don't be so quick to make fun...........I have heard some strange things

> > tried..........and it has helped some people...........

> > We are all trying to feel better...........I have heard some info on this.a

> > while back, way back, maybe when I was in my Fibromyalgia group, I remember

> > it helping a lot of people.........think of those that go get Malaria

> > because of the high fevers to cure some horrible disease............many

> > indeed are cured.

> > So don't poke fun.........one never knows.........instead investigate

> >

> > Connie

> > Leave no stone unturned.......and ask questions!

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It's interesting that you used quackwatch as your reference.

Please also see:

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/lyme.html

Re: [ ] Re: Cure For All Diseases et all

> >

> > > QuackWatch:

> > > http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

> >

[Guest guest]

> > > QuackWatch:

> > >

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

> >

> > http://.net/news/racketeering.htm

> >

> > I have more if you like. just have to dig them up.

>

> No thanks, there is plenty of info out there that show that Hulda

is a

> quack.

wrong

> >

> > if memory serves me right, this is not the first time quackbusters

> > has been sued correct?

>

> It's all there on the quackwatch page.

don't see a list of lawsuits anywhere.. would appreciate if someone

could point this out to me.

> >

> > > Federal Trade Commission:

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm

> >

> > FTC is just deciding to ban this technology right? They haven't

> > actually tried to see if it works correct?

>

> It is not their responsibility to test it. Those making the claims

that it

> is medical device need to demonstrate that it does what they say it

does.

Were they given the opportunity to do so???? When and where was hulda

clark given the chance to prove her methods only to have them fail??

> >

> > > National Council Against Health Fraud:

> > > http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/rife.html

> >

>

> If the information is correct, does it matter who presents it?

having seperate links to the same source could mislead people into

thinking that their are 2 sources saying thumbs down on hulda clark.

[Guest guest]

Mr. X,

Do you have Lyme disease?

> > > First of all " Ethan " is selling books and nothing else.

> >

> > Do you have any proof whatsoever of this? No. I reccomended a

book to

> > members in this group. Did I post an affiliate link? No.

> >

> > Furthermore, instructions on howto to make the device i reccomend

are

> > available free on the website i linked to. was that an affiliate

> > link? no. Your losing credibility fast.

> >

> > > He never posted

> > > before and I'll eat my hat if he didn't join the group just a

few

> > days ago.

> >

> > The moderator of this group seems to disagree with you. Your wrong

> > again.

> >

> > > He is preying on vulnerable ppl.

> >

> > absolutely not. impossible actaully since i am not selling a

product

> > and i have no finiancial ties to the people who are selling.

>

> Your message followed a pattern of spam I've seen on other lists. I

> appologize (again) as it appears I was wrong.

>

> >

> > > And don't be so quick to think that I didn't investigate. I

looked

> > at the

> > > website and was shocked to read some of the incredible stupidity

> > these ppl

> > > are pushing.

> > >

> > > " All cancers are alike. They are all caused by a parasite. A

single

> > > parasite! It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this

> > parasite,

> > > the cancer stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again.

In

> > order to

> > > get cancer, you must have this parasite. . . . "

> > >

> > > Really now? Well how about publishing your reasearch in a

> > scientific journal

> > > and let some scientist confirm your results?

> >

> > This is not *my* research.

>

> Didn't say it was. I was quoting the web site.

How do you know hulda clark has not tried to publish her findings in

a medical journal?? because they are not there does not mean she has

not tried to publish in those journals.

furthermore, because the methods are given free at the website, no

one needs hulda clark to test her methods. so start asking the

medical people why they haven't tried to test it.. and don't tell me

its too ridiculous to test.

>

> > Most likely one of the main reasons she

> > couldn't get her work published is because of the utter skepticism

> > you perpetuate.

>

> What do I have to do with it?

you apparently have never tried frequency therapy, but are utterly

convinced it won't work. you are too skeptical to even try it. of

course it won't work if you never try it.

perpetuates. my guess is that things perpetuate because one doc says

well the other doc didn't try so i won't. then the next doc says well

the other doc didn't try it so i won't. my guess.

> > Have you actually tried the therapy you are so

> > convinced does not work??

>

> I didn't say it didn't work..I said the " science " behind it is

silly.

it isn't silly - it works. have you or have you not tried frequency

therapy? have you or have you not tested frequency therapy in any way?

> >

> > You have a cure for cancer yet

> > > you are holding it back?! I worked on The Bone Marrow Transplant

> > Unit at the

> > > University of Minnesota for 6 years. I watched nurses and MD's

cry

> > when a

> > > patient died..why are you holding back this wonderful treatment?

> >

> > I have sympathy for people you work with, who were most likely

> > sincerely trying their best and caring alot. Their sorrow does not

> > mean that hulda clark's methods do not work however.

>

> that's eactly what it means. If zapping worked, I have no doubts

that these

> kind hearted MD and nurses would use it.

so the fact that they don't use it means it doesn't work? well my tv

works but i guess if i stop using it it therefore won't work anymore.

> > Publishing it in a 20$ book AND making it available for free on

the

> > internet, how is that holding back this wonderfull treatment?? I

> > don't see any patents anywhere do you?

>

> If it works, PUBLISH IT and quiet the critics. One little case

study. A very

> simple case study.. Show some people with cancer..zap them and show

us they

> are cured. Why has this not been done?

ask dr. clark. she has nothing to prove to me. you probably know alot

more about medical journals and procedures and publishing than I do.

> > > Dr

> > > claims cancer can be cured with herbs.

>

> Oh yay.. you got to zap them first..then flush 'em out with herbs.

sounds about right. since you've never tried it, you'll never know if

it works. you continually insinuate that clark's methods are simple

and/or silly, yet you refuse to test them at all.

> >

> > excuse me where does she make this claim? what is your source for

> > this?

> >

> > > Dr. also claims herbs and zappers cure HIV/AIDS and

> > Alzheimer's. (yes,

> > > really)

> >

> > she claims they *can* cure them. she does not claim that

*everyone*

> > will be cured, nor that everyone will be cured with one treatment.

>

> That's what I said.She claims she can cure the diseases.

<sigh>. ok how technical are we going to get. right on p. 16 it says

the zapping cannot kill stuff in the stomach. so if you had *stomach*

cancer obviously it can't be cured correct?

I believe clark says she can cure some/most cases of disease. i don't

think she means she can cure all/100% of disease.

> >

> > > She also sells a thing called a " Syncrometer " . It is claimed to

> > identify

> > > diseased organs and toxic substances by noting whether the

device

> > makes

> > > various sounds when " test substances " are placed on a plate.

The

> > device is

> > > actually a galvanometer that measures skin resistance to a low-

> > voltage

> > > current that passes from the device through a probe touched to

the

> > patient's

> > > hand. It has no diagnostic value whatsoever. This has been

tested

> > and

> > > debunked about a thousand times.

> >

> > just like IV antibiotics for lyme right?

>

> Umm no...IV antibotics are used to treat LD accordig to the CDC.

not nearly recomended enough. due to conflict of interest and/or

mistakes.

> BTW

> shouldn't 's " Syncrometer " have TWO leads? How do you complete

a

> circuit with only one lead? More impossible " science " .

doesn't clark maintain that whatever your testing is the circuit,

therefore the circuit is obviously complete?

>

> >

> > i haven't used or even seen the syncrometer. but since hulda

clark's

> > outrageous claim the frequencies can cure disease is true, i

believe

> > that the syncrometer works too.

> >

> > > 's " Zapper " is a low-voltage device that supposedly kills

> > parasites,

> > > bacteria, and viruses with electrical energy, but does not harm

> > human

> > > tissue.

> >

> > honest question. is electrical energy the same thing as an

electrical

> > frequency?

>

> What are you asking me for?

seems like you might know.

> >

> > > If there are any published papers to support this notion, I'd be

> > interested

> > > to read them. Maybe Ethan can supply some references from

medical

> > journals

> > > supporting these claims?

> >

> > don't have any. maybe i'll look for some someday but right now

it's

> > not a priority. i alluded to this in another thread. research if

> > there is any, will probably be found outside the US.

> >

> > mr. x, i assume you have looked for reseach is that right? did u

find

> > any?

>

> Nope.

so even in the light that there is no research for or against

frequency therapy, you still firmly maintain that it categorically

does not work?

[Guest guest]

Hulda says frequency for killing Lyme is 380KHz.

Lyme can found (as in testing for not killing) at 378.95 to 382 KHz.

this information is on p. 563 of the book cure for all diseases by

hulda clark.

btw, you can use the thread option to view messages by thread. this

is good for digging up the first post of a thread. i personally never

use the date view it is too confusing.

> >

> > I agree with conniek. I have not been in thies discusion but

that's my two cents.

> > Sheryl

> > Re: [ ] Cure For All Diseases et all

> >

> > > Don't be so quick to make fun...........I have heard some

strange things

> > > tried..........and it has helped some people...........

> > > We are all trying to feel better...........I have heard some

info on this.a

> > > while back, way back, maybe when I was in my Fibromyalgia

group, I remember

> > > it helping a lot of people.........think of those that go get

Malaria

> > > because of the high fevers to cure some horrible

disease............many

> > > indeed are cured.

> > > So don't poke fun.........one never knows.........instead

investigate

> > >

> > > Connie

> > > Leave no stone unturned.......and ask questions!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/01 3:06:57 PM, traders@... writes:

<< TRADERS WROTE:

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE FREQUENCY FOR LYME THAT WAS STATED

ON THE ORIGINAL POST OF THIS SUBJECT ? IT STARTED WITH A 3.

>>

The frequencies for lyme with an EMEM3 are # 432, 800, 963 and 4200. I add

10,000 for depression. #s 21, 27, 153 and 306 are for babesia, 450 and 465

for yeast infections, #610 through 625, 660, 665-690 for Epstein Barr. To the

original 4, there were additional #s of 2,037, 2148 and 2259.

sue in nj

[Guest guest]

Ethan and Mr. X,

I realize debating is a good way to see both sides of a topic, but honestly,

I have seen enough of your debate. Please continue it in a private email to each

other....I am tired of it taking up so much space on the digest, and frankly I

am just flat out tired of it period....you could debate this the way you two are

going until you are blue in the face! You could also agree to disagree!....and

that is OK!

Sorry if I have offended anyone, I am just tired of reading this.

Your Lyme Friend,

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > > It is not their responsibility to test it. Those making the

claims

> > that it

> > > is medical device need to demonstrate that it does what they

say it

> > does.

> >

> > Were they given the opportunity to do so???? When and where was

hulda

> > clark given the chance to prove her methods only to have them

fail??

>

> Anytime. She could try right now if she wanted too. But she dosen't

> because????

Try on who? what is the point for crying out loud? Exactly who is she

afraid to try it on when she gives the info away free? Try it on

yourself and see if it works. Anyone who wants to know if it works

can test it on people. She's not the only one with these devices. She

sells the device on her website, how is that not trying it??

again, for the millionth time, who is she not trying it on????

[Guest guest]

After I first posted this message, people asked about 'Rife'

machines. At first I thought that the machine used on me was a Rife

machine. However, after a long talk with my mom, me and her both came

to the conclusion that the machine used on us, the machine i know

that works, was *not* a 'Rife' machine.

Also I would like to add that I no longer feel that the zapper

described in the book is 'fairly easy' to build. I think you really

would have to know something about electronics to build it. Could be

espicially hard if your already sick. However, I do think it would

cost only about 25$ to build.

If anyone has questions I will answer if I can. I went to the park

this week and played basketball for about 30 minutes. I *have not*

had the energy to even think about doing something fun like that for

at least 1 year+. If that is not proof the frequency worked i don't

know what is.

> I was diagnosed with Lyme maybe 6 months to a year ago, although I

> may have had the disease for years and years.

>

> I basically tried the following treatments:

>

> 15 weeks oral doxycycline

> 4 months anti-candida/immune stimulator diet

> weekly chiropracter/kenesiology adjustments

> substantial rest (no job, no school fight Lyme fulltime)

> many many varied supplements/vitamins

>

> All of these treatments combined DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO BENEFIT

I

> RECEIVED FROM FREQUENCY THERAPY.

>

> Frequency therapy is described in the book The Cure For All

Diseases

> by Hulda Regehr , Ph.D.,N.D.

>

> The basic idea is that ALL pathogens/diseases can be killed if

> exposed to a certain specific frequency. The frequency for Lyme is

> 380Khz. To put this in perspective AM radio broadcasts are from

> 540Khz to 1,600Khz. If you have Lyme, and you are exposed to 380Khz

> for enough time, most if not all your Lyme cells will be killed.

>

> Frequency exposure is painless, odorless & doesn't break the skin.

I

> strongly urge all of you with all my heart to buy this book

> immediatelly and read about this amazing technology. The ISBN is 1-

> 890035-01-7.

>

> Instructions on howto make a 'zapper' to create the frequencies

that

> are needed to cure you are given in the book. Note frequencies do

not

> kill things in the middle of your stomach or intestines, but as I

> understand they do kill basically everywhere else.

>

> I did not make my own zapper, so I cannot give information on howto

> build one or how hard it is to build one. The book claims they are

> fairly easy to build and cost around 25$. I was lucky enough to

find

> someone else to zapp me with their zapper. I haven't even really

read

> the book yet myself, but the RESULTS of the treatment are so

> astounding that I must reccomend it you all immediatelly. Other

> members of my family have has this technology done as well, and

they

> are just as excited about this technology as I am.

>

> The person who zapped me is *very afraid* of the FDA and other

> medical organizations. As a disclaimer I would like to add that I

am

> not a doctor, and the person who zapped me is not a doctor. I am

not

> willing to give out name/address info of the person who zapped me.

> This is not my choice but their's and I agree with them. It is too

> dangerous to give out names of people who do this technology, since

> they will surely be harrassed by various medical organizations.

>

> Dr. 's website is at:

> http://www..net/

> Link directly to howto build a zapper:

> http://www..net/info/zap_bau.htm

>

> good luck all - it really works!

> Ethan Schwarz

[Guest guest]

well, more info i feel compelled to share..

actually it was a 'rife' after all. i talked to the person who gave me

the frequency therapy via machine, and they told me point blank 'it's

not exactly a rife.. it's alot closer to a rife than a zapper though.'

so i hope that finally clears any of this up for anyone who cares.

sorry for the confusion i have caused.

> > I was diagnosed with Lyme maybe 6 months to a year ago, although I

> > may have had the disease for years and years.

> >

> > I basically tried the following treatments:

> >

> > 15 weeks oral doxycycline

> > 4 months anti-candida/immune stimulator diet

> > weekly chiropracter/kenesiology adjustments

> > substantial rest (no job, no school fight Lyme fulltime)

> > many many varied supplements/vitamins

> >

> > All of these treatments combined DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO BENEFIT

> I

> > RECEIVED FROM FREQUENCY THERAPY.

> >

> > Frequency therapy is described in the book The Cure For All

> Diseases

> > by Hulda Regehr , Ph.D.,N.D.

> >

> > The basic idea is that ALL pathogens/diseases can be killed if

> > exposed to a certain specific frequency. The frequency for Lyme is

> > 380Khz. To put this in perspective AM radio broadcasts are from

> > 540Khz to 1,600Khz. If you have Lyme, and you are exposed to

380Khz

> > for enough time, most if not all your Lyme cells will be killed.

> >

> > Frequency exposure is painless, odorless & doesn't break the skin.

> I

> > strongly urge all of you with all my heart to buy this book

> > immediatelly and read about this amazing technology. The ISBN is

1-

> > 890035-01-7.

> >

> > Instructions on howto make a 'zapper' to create the frequencies

> that

> > are needed to cure you are given in the book. Note frequencies do

> not

> > kill things in the middle of your stomach or intestines, but as I

> > understand they do kill basically everywhere else.

> >

> > I did not make my own zapper, so I cannot give information on

howto

> > build one or how hard it is to build one. The book claims they are

> > fairly easy to build and cost around 25$. I was lucky enough to

> find

> > someone else to zapp me with their zapper. I haven't even really

> read

> > the book yet myself, but the RESULTS of the treatment are so

> > astounding that I must reccomend it you all immediatelly. Other

> > members of my family have has this technology done as well, and

> they

> > are just as excited about this technology as I am.

> >

> > The person who zapped me is *very afraid* of the FDA and other

> > medical organizations. As a disclaimer I would like to add that I

> am

> > not a doctor, and the person who zapped me is not a doctor. I am

> not

> > willing to give out name/address info of the person who zapped me.

> > This is not my choice but their's and I agree with them. It is too

> > dangerous to give out names of people who do this technology,

since

> > they will surely be harrassed by various medical organizations.

> >

> > Dr. 's website is at:

> > http://www..net/

> > Link directly to howto build a zapper:

> > http://www..net/info/zap_bau.htm

> >

> > good luck all - it really works!

> > Ethan Schwarz